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1. 05:51 AM - fuel tank material (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 08:30 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS)
3. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Pauls Piet Build (Ray Krause)
4. 11:14 AM - Re: fuel tank material (Fairfield, Mike)
5. 11:17 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS)
6. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Pauls Piet Build (George Abernathy)
7. 03:47 PM - Frank Metcalfe (Charles Burkholder)
8. 07:54 PM - Re: Riblett 613.5 plans (taildrags)
9. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Pauls Piet Build (Ray Krause)
10. 09:30 PM - plans and other builder resources (Oscar Zuniga)
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Subject: | fuel tank material |
My vote goes for a welded aluminum tank. If you can't weld aluminum, lots
of guys have fabricated up the tank and riveted together with a few rivets,
then used a professional welder to tig weld the seams. There WILL be some
leaks, but once it's done right you never have to worry again, as long as
the welds are nice and thick. Small, pretty welds are very. pretty but for
aircraft tanks, larger welds are the way to go. Tanks will sometimes warp
when welding, but in Piet, the tank isn't really visible whether it's in
the wing or fuselage so who cares?
Never used Flamemaster and it sounds "da bomb" so can't comment on that.
Just sayin' don't be put off by having a tank welded up. Remember, these
are things you only do once in the project. then live with for decades
after, so don't sweat them too much, if it takes an extra week or two it's
not a big deal in the long run.
$.02
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Pauls Piet Build |
Ray,
Please see the attached. It will be a little extra work but very well worth doing.
With the current configuration you are only depending on the small welds
to hold you wings on. Standard aircraft construction methods will have this
strap in the strut ends.
Please put these on before flying the plane.
Respectfully,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Pauls Piet Build |
Scott,
Thank you VERY much. I will do this right away and also add a third AN-4 bolt
to the strut attachments. Should the strap be welded to the "U-joint?
You would be welcome anytime to visit me and inspect my build. You would be my
guest, all expenses paid.
I'm TRULEY grateful for your help,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 8:30 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> Ray,
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> Please see the attached. It will be a little extra work but very well worth
doing. With the current configuration you are only depending on the small welds
to hold you wings on. Standard aircraft construction methods will have this
strap in the strut ends.
>
> Please put these on before flying the plane.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454361#454361
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/slafd_suppl16033008230_677.pdf
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Subject: | fuel tank material |
Good afternoon Douwe,
Appreciate your $.02 worth. What gauge aluminum would you
suggest for the tank?
Thanks, Mike.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank material
My vote goes for a welded aluminum tank. If you can't weld aluminum, lots
of guys have fabricated up the tank and riveted together with a few rivets,
then used a professional welder to tig weld the seams. There WILL be some
leaks, but once it's done right you never have to worry again, as long as
the welds are nice and thick. Small, pretty welds are very... pretty but f
or aircraft tanks, larger welds are the way to go. Tanks will sometimes wa
rp when welding, but in Piet, the tank isn't really visible whether it's i
n the wing or fuselage so who cares?
Never used Flamemaster and it sounds "da bomb" so can't comment on that. J
ust sayin' don't be put off by having a tank welded up. Remember, these ar
e things you only do once in the project... then live with for decades afte
r, so don't sweat them too much, if it takes an extra week or two it's not
a big deal in the long run.
$.02
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Pauls Piet Build |
Ray,
Welding it would be preferred. In fact it should be. I would really like to see
your bird. Are you going to go to Frazuer Lake this year? Maybe we can find
some time around then? Or I can talk the wife into a weekend get away trip.
She would probably welcome that. Maybe one weekend next month?? I'll ask
her. I'm currently thing the weekend of 4-19. What's your calendar look like?
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454369#454369
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Subject: | Re: Pauls Piet Build |
Here is my .02.
You should drill under size and ream=C2- the holes to an exact fit. Memor
y sludge serves up that this
info is in AC-43-13.
The idea being that you get maximum shear when the bolt fits in the hole wi
th no slop.
Drill bits tend to make triangular holes.
G
From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build
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Scott,
Thank you VERY much.=C2- I will do this right away and also add a third A
N-4 bolt to the strut attachments.=C2- Should the strap be welded to the
"U-joint?
You would be welcome anytime to visit me and inspect my build.=C2- You wo
uld be my guest, all expenses paid.
I'm TRULEY grateful for your help,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 8:30 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wr
ote:
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> Ray,
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> Please see the attached.=C2- It will be a little extra work but very we
ll worth doing.=C2- With the current configuration you are only depending
on the small welds to hold you wings on.=C2- Standard aircraft construct
ion methods will have this strap in the strut ends.
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> Please put these on before flying the plane.=C2-
>
> Respectfully,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454361#454361
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/slafd_suppl16033008230_677.pdf
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Hello Pietple
Looking for Frank Metcalfe's contact information. I am going to be
flying into the West Georgia Regional airport on Friday where EAA
chapter 976 is based and saw his Piet as well as a few other nice ones
on their website.
Thanks
Charles
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Subject: | Re: Riblett 613.5 plans |
I thought I had posted this last night, but it doesn't seem to have shown up.
I did a quick overlay of the Riblett 612 airfoil over the Piet rib with the spars
vertical and in register with the Piet spar locations, just to see how the
two compare. Draw your own conclusions... this is offered purely as matter for
thought and discussion.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Pauls Piet Build |
Scott,
I made the straps today and will weld them tomorrow. When the are completed, I
will send a photo.
I plan on going to Frazier, but probably in the Waiex or Aeronca. Of course, the
Piet won't be ready!
April 19 appears to be a Tuesday. But just about anytime in April or May would
be good for a visit...I'm retired! I have Drs. Appointments for either me or
my mom on April 14, 18 and 27. Even those could be changed to accommodate you
and your wife. Would you fly up? Plan on staying with us for as long as you like.
We could go see Gary Boothe and his gang in Lincoln.
Let me know,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:16 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> Ray,
>
> Welding it would be preferred. In fact it should be. I would really like to
see your bird. Are you going to go to Frazuer Lake this year? Maybe we can
find some time around then? Or I can talk the wife into a weekend get away trip.
She would probably welcome that. Maybe one weekend next month?? I'll ask
her. I'm currently thing the weekend of 4-19. What's your calendar look like?
>
> Cheers,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454369#454369
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Subject: | plans and other builder resources |
Folks=2C I just wanted to remind everyone (especially new builders/dreamers
) that there is another excellent resource for us out there. Doc and Dee M
osher=2C well known to the Piet community and formerly editors of the Brodh
ead Pietenpol Association Newsletter=2C have a "Pietenpol Plans Plus" websi
te that offers all of the Air Camper plans and supplements=2C plus a whole
host of other useful information and historical background on the Air Campe
r and its designers Bernard Pietenpol and Orrin Hoopman=2C at http://www.do
cspietshop.com . You would do well to browse the site in your search for u
seful information.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC=2C "Scout"
A75 power
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