---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/30/16: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:51 AM - fuel tank material (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 08:30 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS) 3. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Pauls Piet Build (Ray Krause) 4. 11:14 AM - Re: fuel tank material (Fairfield, Mike) 5. 11:17 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS) 6. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Pauls Piet Build (George Abernathy) 7. 03:47 PM - Frank Metcalfe (Charles Burkholder) 8. 07:54 PM - Re: Riblett 613.5 plans (taildrags) 9. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Pauls Piet Build (Ray Krause) 10. 09:30 PM - plans and other builder resources (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:14 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank material My vote goes for a welded aluminum tank. If you can't weld aluminum, lots of guys have fabricated up the tank and riveted together with a few rivets, then used a professional welder to tig weld the seams. There WILL be some leaks, but once it's done right you never have to worry again, as long as the welds are nice and thick. Small, pretty welds are very. pretty but for aircraft tanks, larger welds are the way to go. Tanks will sometimes warp when welding, but in Piet, the tank isn't really visible whether it's in the wing or fuselage so who cares? Never used Flamemaster and it sounds "da bomb" so can't comment on that. Just sayin' don't be put off by having a tank welded up. Remember, these are things you only do once in the project. then live with for decades after, so don't sweat them too much, if it takes an extra week or two it's not a big deal in the long run. $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, Please see the attached. It will be a little extra work but very well worth doing. With the current configuration you are only depending on the small welds to hold you wings on. Standard aircraft construction methods will have this strap in the strut ends. Please put these on before flying the plane. Respectfully, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454361#454361 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/slafd_suppl16033008230_677.pdf ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:54 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build Scott, Thank you VERY much. I will do this right away and also add a third AN-4 bolt to the strut attachments. Should the strap be welded to the "U-joint? You would be welcome anytime to visit me and inspect my build. You would be my guest, all expenses paid. I'm TRULEY grateful for your help, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Mar 30, 2016, at 8:30 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > Ray, > > Please see the attached. It will be a little extra work but very well worth doing. With the current configuration you are only depending on the small welds to hold you wings on. Standard aircraft construction methods will have this strap in the strut ends. > > Please put these on before flying the plane. > > Respectfully, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454361#454361 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/slafd_suppl16033008230_677.pdf > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:59 AM PST US From: "Fairfield, Mike" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank material Good afternoon Douwe, Appreciate your $.02 worth. What gauge aluminum would you suggest for the tank? Thanks, Mike. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank material My vote goes for a welded aluminum tank. If you can't weld aluminum, lots of guys have fabricated up the tank and riveted together with a few rivets, then used a professional welder to tig weld the seams. There WILL be some leaks, but once it's done right you never have to worry again, as long as the welds are nice and thick. Small, pretty welds are very... pretty but f or aircraft tanks, larger welds are the way to go. Tanks will sometimes wa rp when welding, but in Piet, the tank isn't really visible whether it's i n the wing or fuselage so who cares? Never used Flamemaster and it sounds "da bomb" so can't comment on that. J ust sayin' don't be put off by having a tank welded up. Remember, these ar e things you only do once in the project... then live with for decades afte r, so don't sweat them too much, if it takes an extra week or two it's not a big deal in the long run. $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, Welding it would be preferred. In fact it should be. I would really like to see your bird. Are you going to go to Frazuer Lake this year? Maybe we can find some time around then? Or I can talk the wife into a weekend get away trip. She would probably welcome that. Maybe one weekend next month?? I'll ask her. I'm currently thing the weekend of 4-19. What's your calendar look like? Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454369#454369 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:58 PM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build Here is my .02. You should drill under size and ream=C2- the holes to an exact fit. Memor y sludge serves up that this info is in AC-43-13. The idea being that you get maximum shear when the bolt fits in the hole wi th no slop. Drill bits tend to make triangular holes. G From: Ray Krause To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build > Scott, Thank you VERY much.=C2- I will do this right away and also add a third A N-4 bolt to the strut attachments.=C2- Should the strap be welded to the "U-joint? You would be welcome anytime to visit me and inspect my build.=C2- You wo uld be my guest, all expenses paid. I'm TRULEY grateful for your help, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Mar 30, 2016, at 8:30 AM, AircamperN11MS wr ote: > ity.org> > > Ray, > > Please see the attached.=C2- It will be a little extra work but very we ll worth doing.=C2- With the current configuration you are only depending on the small welds to hold you wings on.=C2- Standard aircraft construct ion methods will have this strap in the strut ends. > > Please put these on before flying the plane.=C2- > > Respectfully, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454361#454361 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/slafd_suppl16033008230_677.pdf > > > > > > > =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. S - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:40 PM PST US From: Charles Burkholder Subject: Pietenpol-List: Frank Metcalfe Hello Pietple Looking for Frank Metcalfe's contact information. I am going to be flying into the West Georgia Regional airport on Friday where EAA chapter 976 is based and saw his Piet as well as a few other nice ones on their website. Thanks Charles ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett 613.5 plans From: "taildrags" I thought I had posted this last night, but it doesn't seem to have shown up. I did a quick overlay of the Riblett 612 airfoil over the Piet rib with the spars vertical and in register with the Piet spar locations, just to see how the two compare. Draw your own conclusions... this is offered purely as matter for thought and discussion. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454375#454375 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/airfoil_125.png ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:57 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build Scott, I made the straps today and will weld them tomorrow. When the are completed, I will send a photo. I plan on going to Frazier, but probably in the Waiex or Aeronca. Of course, the Piet won't be ready! April 19 appears to be a Tuesday. But just about anytime in April or May would be good for a visit...I'm retired! I have Drs. Appointments for either me or my mom on April 14, 18 and 27. Even those could be changed to accommodate you and your wife. Would you fly up? Plan on staying with us for as long as you like. We could go see Gary Boothe and his gang in Lincoln. Let me know, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:16 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > Ray, > > Welding it would be preferred. In fact it should be. I would really like to see your bird. Are you going to go to Frazuer Lake this year? Maybe we can find some time around then? Or I can talk the wife into a weekend get away trip. She would probably welcome that. Maybe one weekend next month?? I'll ask her. I'm currently thing the weekend of 4-19. What's your calendar look like? > > Cheers, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454369#454369 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:02 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: plans and other builder resources Folks=2C I just wanted to remind everyone (especially new builders/dreamers ) that there is another excellent resource for us out there. Doc and Dee M osher=2C well known to the Piet community and formerly editors of the Brodh ead Pietenpol Association Newsletter=2C have a "Pietenpol Plans Plus" websi te that offers all of the Air Camper plans and supplements=2C plus a whole host of other useful information and historical background on the Air Campe r and its designers Bernard Pietenpol and Orrin Hoopman=2C at http://www.do cspietshop.com . You would do well to browse the site in your search for u seful information. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC=2C "Scout" A75 power ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.