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Sun 04/03/16


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     1. 07:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16 (jarheadpilot82)
     2. 12:53 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (infow)
     3. 01:05 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (infow)
     4. 01:08 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (infow)
     5. 03:19 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16 (taildrags)
     6. 06:00 PM - Fw: Rib stitch (goffelectric@comcast.net)
     7. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16 (Ray Krause)
     8. 09:30 PM - Re: Fw: Rib stitch (tools)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:00:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
          
      
      Gary Boothe is in Lincoln, CA. You might try contacting him.
      
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      Semper Fi,
      
      Terry Hand
      Athens, GA
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454494#454494
      
      


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    Time: 12:53:37 PM PST US
    From: infow <infow@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Fuel tanks
          
      You apply the sealer to the to the tank surface and also rivets tips before 
      inserting into the hole! Then once the rivet is set... apply a dab to the 
      outer rivet to ensure a good seal.    A good light cleaning with mek after can
      
      be used to clean most of the rivets once sealer has set!  Usually you will not
      
      see any sealer when done
      
      Ron
      
      | Ron nice looking work.  In the last picture I see sealer on top of
      | the pop rivets.  Are they covered completely on the inside
      | (backside)?
      |
      |
      | From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      | pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of infow
      | Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 4:40 PM
      | To: Jack Philips <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      | Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
      |
      |
      | I built my 701 tanks using 5052-032 aluminum and rivets.  Used the
      |
      |
      | Flamemaster Dyna-Seal sealant from Van's worked great... messy but
      | great! All of the mounting flanges came from Van's.   The ISS Fuel
      | level senders come from Van's.  The Fuel Level gauges came from
      | ACS(ISS's).  Van's gauges no good here... calibrated for their
      | tanks!
      |
      |
      | Ron
      |
      |
      | View of left tank....
      |
      |
      | Left tank covered...
      |
      |
      | Baffles in tank....
      |
      |
      | Tank venting...
      |
      |
      | Tank vent line....
      |
      |
      | ISS Fuel level arm sensor bent and installed...
      |
      |
      | ACS fuel cap in place... best method!!!!
      |
      |
      ||
      |
      || <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
      |
      |
      || Acceptable but very heavy.  The original tanks were made of
      ||
      |
      || terneplate, which is steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin
      ||
      |
      || and 80% lead.  It soldered very well.  Soldering galvanized steel,
      ||
      |
      || which is coated with zinc is much more difficult and requires
      ||
      |
      || special solder alloys and special flux.  One method is shown here:
      ||
      |
      || http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw
      |
      |
      || I riveted my tank together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it
      ||
      |
      || TIG welded around all the edges and over each rivet.  During leak
      ||
      |
      || testing I found 39 pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.
      ||
      |
      || After re-welding over those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks.  Third
      ||
      |
      || time was the charm and it has been leak free ever since.
      |
      |
      || However, if I were to do it again I would just rivet it together
      ||
      |
      || and use the Flamemaster Dyna-Seal product that I used when
      || building
      ||
      |
      || the tanks for my RV-10.  This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all
      ||
      |
      || their fuel tanks and it must be pretty successful since there are
      ||
      |
      || literally thousands of airplanes flying using this method.  It is
      ||
      |
      || easy (if somewhat messy) to build a good fuel tank with this
      ||
      |
      || method, and the tank doesn't warp during welding like most welded
      ||
      |
      || tanks do (mine included).
      |
      |
      || Jack Phillips
      ||
      |
      || NX899JP
      ||
      |
      || Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      |
      |
      || -----Original Message-----
      ||
      |
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      |
      || pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Franklin
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      |
      || Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:23 AM
      ||
      |
      || To: Piet_List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      ||
      |
      || Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
      |
      |
      ||
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      || <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
      |
      |
      || Most of the fuel tanks I've seen mentioned on this forum have been
      ||
      |
      || made of aluminum.  Has anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it
      ||
      |
      || by soldering the seams?
      ||
      |
      || Would this method be acceptable?
      |
      |
      || Thanks,
      ||
      |
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      </head><BODY BGCOLOR="white" ><div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;">You apply
       the sealer to the to the tank surface and also rivets tips before inserting
       into the hole! Then once the rivet is set... apply a dab to the outer rivet
       to ensure a good seal. &#160; &#160;A good light cleaning with mek after
       can be used to clean most of the rivets once sealer has set! &#160;Usually
       you will not see any sealer when done</SPAN></div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;">Ron<br /><br /></span></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Ron nice looking work.&#160;
       In the last picture I see sealer on top of</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| the pop rivets.&#160; Are
       they covered completely on the inside</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| (backside)?</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| From:
       owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [<a
       href="mailto:owner">mailto:owner</a>-</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
       pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of infow</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016
       4:40 PM</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| To: Jack Philips
       &lt;pietenpol-list@matronics.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
       Fuel tanks</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| I built my 701 tanks using
       5052-032 aluminum and rivets. &#160;Used the</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Flamemaster Dyna-Seal
       sealant from Van's worked great... messy but</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| great! All of the mounting
       flanges came from Van's. &#160; The ISS Fuel</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| level senders come from
       Van's. &#160;The Fuel Level gauges came from</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ACS(ISS's). &#160;Van's
       gauges no good here... calibrated for their</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| tanks!</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Ron</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| View of left
       tank....</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Left tank
       covered...</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Baffles in
       tank....</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Tank
       venting...</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Tank vent
       line....</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ISS Fuel level arm sensor
       bent and installed...</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ACS fuel cap in place...
       best method!!!!</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| --&gt; Pietenpol-List
       message posted by: "Jack Philips"</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||
       &lt;jack@bedfordlandings.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Acceptable but very
       heavy. &#160;The original tanks were made of</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| terneplate, which is
       steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| and 80% lead. &#160;It
       soldered very well. &#160;Soldering galvanized steel,</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| which is coated with zinc
       is much more difficult and requires</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| special solder alloys and
       special flux. &#160;One method is shown here:</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| <a
       href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw">http://www.youtube.com/wa
      tch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw</a></SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| I riveted my tank
       together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| TIG welded around all the
       edges and over each rivet. &#160;During leak</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| testing I found 39
       pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| After re-welding over
       those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks. &#160;Third</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| time was the charm and it
       has been leak free ever since.</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| However, if I were to do
       it again I would just rivet it together</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| and use the Flamemaster
       Dyna-Seal product that I used when</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| building</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| the tanks for my RV-10.
       &#160;This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| their fuel tanks and it
       must be pretty successful since there are</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| literally thousands of
       airplanes flying using this method. &#160;It is</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| easy (if somewhat messy)
       to build a good fuel tank with this</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| method, and the tank
       doesn't warp during welding like most welded</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| tanks do (mine
       included).</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Jack
       Phillips</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| NX899JP</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Smith Mountain Lake,
       Virginia</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| -----Original
       Message-----</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| From:
       owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [<a
       href="mailto:owner">mailto:owner</a>-</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||
       pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
       Franklin</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Sent: Tuesday, March 29,
       2016 9:23 AM</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| To: Piet_List
       &lt;pietenpol-list@matronics.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Subject: Pietenpol-List:
       Fuel tanks</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| --&gt; Pietenpol-List
       message posted by: John Franklin</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||
       &lt;jbfjr@peoplepc.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Most of the fuel tanks
       I've seen mentioned on this forum have been</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| made of aluminum.
       &#160;Has anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| by soldering the
       seams?</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Would this method be
       acceptable?</SPAN></div>
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    Time: 01:05:53 PM PST US
    From: infow <infow@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Fuel tanks
          
      Sorry for the large photos... should be smaller!
      Ron
      
      | Ron nice looking work.  In the last picture I see sealer on top of
      | the pop rivets.  Are they covered completely on the inside
      | (backside)?
      |
      |
      | From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      | pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of infow
      | Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 4:40 PM
      | To: Jack Philips <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      | Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
      |
      |
      | I built my 701 tanks using 5052-032 aluminum and rivets.  Used the
      |
      |
      | Flamemaster Dyna-Seal sealant from Van's worked great... messy but
      | great! All of the mounting flanges came from Van's.   The ISS Fuel
      | level senders come from Van's.  The Fuel Level gauges came from
      | ACS(ISS's).  Van's gauges no good here... calibrated for their
      | tanks!
      |
      |
      | Ron
      |
      |
      | View of left tank....
      |
      |
      | Left tank covered...
      |
      |
      | Baffles in tank....
      |
      |
      | Tank venting...
      |
      |
      | Tank vent line....
      |
      |
      | ISS Fuel level arm sensor bent and installed...
      |
      |
      | ACS fuel cap in place... best method!!!!
      |
      |
      ||
      |
      || <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
      |
      |
      || Acceptable but very heavy.  The original tanks were made of
      ||
      |
      || terneplate, which is steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin
      ||
      |
      || and 80% lead.  It soldered very well.  Soldering galvanized steel,
      ||
      |
      || which is coated with zinc is much more difficult and requires
      ||
      |
      || special solder alloys and special flux.  One method is shown here:
      ||
      |
      || http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw
      |
      |
      || I riveted my tank together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it
      ||
      |
      || TIG welded around all the edges and over each rivet.  During leak
      ||
      |
      || testing I found 39 pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.
      ||
      |
      || After re-welding over those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks.  Third
      ||
      |
      || time was the charm and it has been leak free ever since.
      |
      |
      || However, if I were to do it again I would just rivet it together
      ||
      |
      || and use the Flamemaster Dyna-Seal product that I used when
      || building
      ||
      |
      || the tanks for my RV-10.  This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all
      ||
      |
      || their fuel tanks and it must be pretty successful since there are
      ||
      |
      || literally thousands of airplanes flying using this method.  It is
      ||
      |
      || easy (if somewhat messy) to build a good fuel tank with this
      ||
      |
      || method, and the tank doesn't warp during welding like most welded
      ||
      |
      || tanks do (mine included).
      |
      |
      || Jack Phillips
      ||
      |
      || NX899JP
      ||
      |
      || Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      |
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      || From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      ||
      |
      || pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Franklin
      ||
      |
      || Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:23 AM
      ||
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      || To: Piet_List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      ||
      |
      || Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
      |
      |
      ||
      |
      || <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
      |
      |
      || Most of the fuel tanks I've seen mentioned on this forum have been
      ||
      |
      || made of aluminum.  Has anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it
      ||
      |
      || by soldering the seams?
      ||
      |
      || Would this method be acceptable?
      |
      |
      || Thanks,
      ||
      |
      || John Franklin
      ||
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      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;">Ron<br /><br /></span></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Ron nice looking work.&#160;
       In the last picture I see sealer on top of</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| the pop rivets.&#160; Are
       they covered completely on the inside</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| (backside)?</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| From:
       owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [<a
       href="mailto:owner">mailto:owner</a>-</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
       pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of infow</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016
       4:40 PM</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| To: Jack Philips
       &lt;pietenpol-list@matronics.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
       Fuel tanks</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| I built my 701 tanks using
       5052-032 aluminum and rivets. &#160;Used the</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Flamemaster Dyna-Seal
       sealant from Van's worked great... messy but</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| great! All of the mounting
       flanges came from Van's. &#160; The ISS Fuel</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| level senders come from
       Van's. &#160;The Fuel Level gauges came from</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ACS(ISS's). &#160;Van's
       gauges no good here... calibrated for their</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| tanks!</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Ron</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| View of left
       tank....</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Left tank
       covered...</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Baffles in
       tank....</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Tank
       venting...</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Tank vent
       line....</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ISS Fuel level arm sensor
       bent and installed...</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ACS fuel cap in place...
       best method!!!!</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| --&gt; Pietenpol-List
       message posted by: "Jack Philips"</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||
       &lt;jack@bedfordlandings.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Acceptable but very
       heavy. &#160;The original tanks were made of</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| terneplate, which is
       steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| and 80% lead. &#160;It
       soldered very well. &#160;Soldering galvanized steel,</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| which is coated with zinc
       is much more difficult and requires</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| special solder alloys and
       special flux. &#160;One method is shown here:</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| <a
       href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw">http://www.youtube.com/wa
      tch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw</a></SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| I riveted my tank
       together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| TIG welded around all the
       edges and over each rivet. &#160;During leak</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| testing I found 39
       pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| After re-welding over
       those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks. &#160;Third</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| time was the charm and it
       has been leak free ever since.</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| However, if I were to do
       it again I would just rivet it together</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| and use the Flamemaster
       Dyna-Seal product that I used when</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| building</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| the tanks for my RV-10.
       &#160;This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| their fuel tanks and it
       must be pretty successful since there are</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| literally thousands of
       airplanes flying using this method. &#160;It is</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| easy (if somewhat messy)
       to build a good fuel tank with this</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| method, and the tank
       doesn't warp during welding like most welded</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
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    Time: 01:08:35 PM PST US
    From: infow <infow@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Fuel tanks
          
      Should find some here ...   
      http://search.skygeek.com/?vwcatalog=stylespilotshop&keywords=flamemaster+cs+3
      204&x=0&y=0
      Ron
      
      | <MFairfield@hewitt.ca>
      |
      | Good morning Jack,
      |
      | Your method of riveting the 5052 aluminum and sealing it sounds
      | interesting.  I checked on the Flamemaster web site and entered
      | dyna-seal and came up empty.  By any chance would you have the
      | product number stowed away somewhere?  They have many different
      | products and I wanted to find the proper sealant.
      |
      | Thanks, Mike.
      |
      | -----Original Message-----
      | From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      | pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Philips
      | Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:18 AM
      | To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      | Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
      |
      | <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
      |
      | Acceptable but very heavy.  The original tanks were made of
      | terneplate, which is steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin
      | and 80% lead.  It soldered very well.  Soldering galvanized steel,
      | which is coated with zinc is much more difficult and requires
      | special solder alloys and special flux.  One method is shown here:
      | https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-
      | 3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Du7Imxj2-
      | 5FnXw&d=CwIDaQ&c=epcZb5jdh1ysHc2TC_uZEMpi5Xp3bPQPSZatc6SDw3A&r=hRt1T_6
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      |
      | I riveted my tank together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it
      | TIG welded around all the edges and over each rivet.  During leak
      | testing I found 39 pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.
      | After re-welding over those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks.  Third
      | time was the charm and it has been leak free ever since.
      |
      | However, if I were to do it again I would just rivet it together
      | and use the Flamemaster Dyna-Seal product that I used when building
      | the tanks for my RV-10.  This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all
      | their fuel tanks and it must be pretty successful since there are
      | literally thousands of airplanes flying using this method.  It is
      | easy (if somewhat messy) to build a good fuel tank with this
      | method, and the tank doesn't warp during welding like most welded
      | tanks do (mine included).
      |
      | Jack Phillips
      | NX899JP
      | Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      |
      | -----Original Message-----
      | From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      | pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Franklin
      | Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:23 AM
      | To: Piet_List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      | Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
      |
      | <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
      |
      | Most of the fuel tanks I've seen mentioned on this forum have been
      | made of aluminum.  Has anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it
      | by soldering the seams?
      | Would this method be acceptable?
      |
      | Thanks,
      | John Franklin
      | Prairie Aire 4TA0
      | Needville, TX
      |
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       some here ... &#160; <a
       href="http://search.skygeek.com/?vwcatalog=stylespilotshop&keywords=flamema
      ster+cs+3204&x=0&y=0">http://search.skygeek.com/?vwcatalog=stylespilotshop&a
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      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;">Ron<br /><br /></span></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| --&gt; Pietenpol-List
       message posted by: "Fairfield, Mike"</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
       &lt;MFairfield@hewitt.ca&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Good morning
       Jack,</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Your method of riveting the
       5052 aluminum and sealing it sounds</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| interesting. &#160;I checked
       on the Flamemaster web site and entered</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| dyna-seal and came up empty.
       &#160;By any chance would you have the</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| product number stowed away
       somewhere? &#160;They have many different</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| products and I wanted to
       find the proper sealant.</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Thanks, Mike.</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| -----Original
       Message-----</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| From:
       owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [<a
       href="mailto:owner">mailto:owner</a>-</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
       pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
       Philips</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Sent: Tuesday, March 29,
       2016 10:18 AM</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| To:
       pietenpol-list@matronics.com</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
       Fuel tanks</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| --&gt; Pietenpol-List
       message posted by: "Jack Philips" --&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
       &lt;jack@bedfordlandings.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Acceptable but very heavy.
       &#160;The original tanks were made of</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| terneplate, which is steel
       sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| and 80% lead. &#160;It
       soldered very well. &#160;Soldering galvanized steel,</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| which is coated with zinc is
       much more difficult and requires</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| special solder alloys and
       special flux. &#160;One method is shown here:</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| <a
       href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http">https://urldefense.p
      roofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http</a>-</SPAN></div>
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      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| I riveted my tank together
       out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| TIG welded around all the
       edges and over each rivet. &#160;During leak</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| testing I found 39 pinhole
       leaks and took it back to the welder.</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| After re-welding over those
       39 leaks I only found 9 leaks. &#160;Third</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| time was the charm and it
       has been leak free ever since.</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| However, if I were to do it
       again I would just rivet it together</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| and use the Flamemaster
       Dyna-Seal product that I used when building</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| the tanks for my RV-10.
       &#160;This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| their fuel tanks and it must
       be pretty successful since there are</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| literally thousands of
       airplanes flying using this method. &#160;It is</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| easy (if somewhat messy) to
       build a good fuel tank with this</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| method, and the tank doesn't
       warp during welding like most welded</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| tanks do (mine
       included).</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Jack Phillips</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| NX899JP</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Smith Mountain Lake,
       Virginia</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| -----Original
       Message-----</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| From:
       owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [<a
       href="mailto:owner">mailto:owner</a>-</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
       pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
       Franklin</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Sent: Tuesday, March 29,
       2016 9:23 AM</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| To: Piet_List
       &lt;pietenpol-list@matronics.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Subject: Pietenpol-List:
       Fuel tanks</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| --&gt; Pietenpol-List
       message posted by: John Franklin</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
       &lt;jbfjr@peoplepc.com&gt;</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Most of the fuel tanks I've
       seen mentioned on this forum have been</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| made of aluminum. &#160;Has
       anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| by soldering the
       seams?</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Would this method be
       acceptable?</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Thanks,</SPAN></div>
      <div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| John Franklin</SPAN></div>
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    Time: 03:19:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
          
      
      Bruce;
      
      There are several Piet builders/pilots in the SAC area.  Gary Boothe is one (Lincoln),
      Chris Tracy is another, the Groah father-son, and there are others.  In
      eight weeks is the West Coast Piet fly-in, down at Frazier Lake Airpark near
      Hollister/Gilroy.  Only a couple of hours drive from you.  The first Saturday
      in June.
      
      --------
      Oscar Zuniga
      Medford, OR
      Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot;
      A75 power
      
      
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    Time: 06:00:44 PM PST US
    From: goffelectric@comcast.net
    Subject: Fwd: Rib stitch
          
      Five ribs stitched, 4.5 hours, and I pretty sure I'm gonna lose a finger. M
      y 14 year old is off the couch though! 
      =C2- 
      Thanks, 
      Keith Goff 
      
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      From: "Goff Electric" <goffelectric@comcast.net> 
      Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:53:07 PM 
      Subject: Rib stitch 
      
      
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    Time: 08:40:41 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16
          
      
      Bruce,
      
      My Sky Scout is in its final stages. You are MORE than welcome to come see it,
      anytime.  I'm in Colusa, CA, 530-458-7097.
      
      Hope to see you,
      
      Ray Krause
      
      Sent from my iPad
      
      > On Apr 3, 2016, at 3:19 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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      > 
      > Bruce;
      > 
      > There are several Piet builders/pilots in the SAC area.  Gary Boothe is one (Lincoln),
      Chris Tracy is another, the Groah father-son, and there are others.
      In eight weeks is the West Coast Piet fly-in, down at Frazier Lake Airpark near
      Hollister/Gilroy.  Only a couple of hours drive from you.  The first Saturday
      in June.
      > 
      > --------
      > Oscar Zuniga
      > Medford, OR
      > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot;
      > A75 power
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454514#454514
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    Time: 09:30:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Rib stitch
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
          
      
      The good news is that it's easy to fly a Piet with nine fingers!  Bravo!
      
      Oh, and ya, it gets a lot easier....  About the time you have it mastered, you'll
      be done....
      
      Tools
      
      
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