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2. 12:53 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (infow)
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4. 01:08 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (infow)
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16 |
Gary Boothe is in Lincoln, CA. You might try contacting him.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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You apply the sealer to the to the tank surface and also rivets tips before
inserting into the hole! Then once the rivet is set... apply a dab to the
outer rivet to ensure a good seal. A good light cleaning with mek after can
be used to clean most of the rivets once sealer has set! Usually you will not
see any sealer when done
Ron
| Ron nice looking work. In the last picture I see sealer on top of
| the pop rivets. Are they covered completely on the inside
| (backside)?
|
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| From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
| pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of infow
| Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 4:40 PM
| To: Jack Philips <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
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| I built my 701 tanks using 5052-032 aluminum and rivets. Used the
|
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| Flamemaster Dyna-Seal sealant from Van's worked great... messy but
| great! All of the mounting flanges came from Van's. The ISS Fuel
| level senders come from Van's. The Fuel Level gauges came from
| ACS(ISS's). Van's gauges no good here... calibrated for their
| tanks!
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| Ron
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| View of left tank....
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| Left tank covered...
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| Baffles in tank....
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| Tank venting...
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| Tank vent line....
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| ISS Fuel level arm sensor bent and installed...
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| ACS fuel cap in place... best method!!!!
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|| <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
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|| Acceptable but very heavy. The original tanks were made of
||
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|| terneplate, which is steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin
||
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|| and 80% lead. It soldered very well. Soldering galvanized steel,
||
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|| which is coated with zinc is much more difficult and requires
||
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|| special solder alloys and special flux. One method is shown here:
||
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|| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw
|
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|| I riveted my tank together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it
||
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|| TIG welded around all the edges and over each rivet. During leak
||
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|| testing I found 39 pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.
||
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|| After re-welding over those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks. Third
||
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|| time was the charm and it has been leak free ever since.
|
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|| However, if I were to do it again I would just rivet it together
||
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|| and use the Flamemaster Dyna-Seal product that I used when
|| building
||
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|| the tanks for my RV-10. This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all
||
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|| their fuel tanks and it must be pretty successful since there are
||
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|| literally thousands of airplanes flying using this method. It is
||
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|| easy (if somewhat messy) to build a good fuel tank with this
||
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|| method, and the tank doesn't warp during welding like most welded
||
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|| tanks do (mine included).
|
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|| Jack Phillips
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|| NX899JP
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|| Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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|| From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
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|| pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Franklin
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|| Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:23 AM
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|| Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
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|| <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
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|| Most of the fuel tanks I've seen mentioned on this forum have been
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|| made of aluminum. Has anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it
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|| by soldering the seams?
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|| Would this method be acceptable?
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|| Thanks,
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|| John Franklin
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</head><BODY BGCOLOR="white" ><div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;">You apply
the sealer to the to the tank surface and also rivets tips before inserting
into the hole! Then once the rivet is set... apply a dab to the outer rivet
to ensure a good seal.    A good light cleaning with mek after
can be used to clean most of the rivets once sealer has set!  Usually
you will not see any sealer when done</SPAN></div>
<div> </div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;">Ron<br /><br /></span></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Ron nice looking work. 
In the last picture I see sealer on top of</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| the pop rivets.  Are
they covered completely on the inside</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| (backside)?</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [<a
href="mailto:owner">mailto:owner</a>-</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of infow</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016
4:40 PM</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| To: Jack Philips
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com></SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
Fuel tanks</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| I built my 701 tanks using
5052-032 aluminum and rivets.  Used the</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Flamemaster Dyna-Seal
sealant from Van's worked great... messy but</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| great! All of the mounting
flanges came from Van's.   The ISS Fuel</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| level senders come from
Van's.  The Fuel Level gauges came from</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ACS(ISS's).  Van's
gauges no good here... calibrated for their</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| tanks!</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Ron</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| View of left
tank....</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Left tank
covered...</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Baffles in
tank....</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Tank
venting...</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Tank vent
line....</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ISS Fuel level arm sensor
bent and installed...</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ACS fuel cap in place...
best method!!!!</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| --> Pietenpol-List
message posted by: "Jack Philips"</SPAN></div>
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<jack@bedfordlandings.com></SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Acceptable but very
heavy.  The original tanks were made of</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| terneplate, which is
steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| and 80% lead.  It
soldered very well.  Soldering galvanized steel,</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| which is coated with zinc
is much more difficult and requires</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| special solder alloys and
special flux.  One method is shown here:</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| <a
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw">http://www.youtube.com/wa
tch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw</a></SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| I riveted my tank
together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| TIG welded around all the
edges and over each rivet.  During leak</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| testing I found 39
pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| After re-welding over
those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks.  Third</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| time was the charm and it
has been leak free ever since.</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| However, if I were to do
it again I would just rivet it together</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| and use the Flamemaster
Dyna-Seal product that I used when</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| building</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| the tanks for my RV-10.
 This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| their fuel tanks and it
must be pretty successful since there are</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| literally thousands of
airplanes flying using this method.  It is</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| easy (if somewhat messy)
to build a good fuel tank with this</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| method, and the tank
doesn't warp during welding like most welded</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| tanks do (mine
included).</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Jack
Phillips</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| NX899JP</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Smith Mountain Lake,
Virginia</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| From:
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href="mailto:owner">mailto:owner</a>-</SPAN></div>
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pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Franklin</SPAN></div>
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2016 9:23 AM</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Subject: Pietenpol-List:
Fuel tanks</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| --> Pietenpol-List
message posted by: John Franklin</SPAN></div>
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<jbfjr@peoplepc.com></SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Most of the fuel tanks
I've seen mentioned on this forum have been</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| made of aluminum.
 Has anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| by soldering the
seams?</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Would this method be
acceptable?</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Thanks,</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| John
Franklin</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
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4TA0</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Needville,
TX</SPAN></div>
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Sorry for the large photos... should be smaller!
Ron
| Ron nice looking work. In the last picture I see sealer on top of
| the pop rivets. Are they covered completely on the inside
| (backside)?
|
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| From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
| pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of infow
| Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 4:40 PM
| To: Jack Philips <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
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| I built my 701 tanks using 5052-032 aluminum and rivets. Used the
|
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| Flamemaster Dyna-Seal sealant from Van's worked great... messy but
| great! All of the mounting flanges came from Van's. The ISS Fuel
| level senders come from Van's. The Fuel Level gauges came from
| ACS(ISS's). Van's gauges no good here... calibrated for their
| tanks!
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| Ron
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| View of left tank....
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| Left tank covered...
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| Baffles in tank....
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| Tank venting...
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| Tank vent line....
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| ISS Fuel level arm sensor bent and installed...
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| ACS fuel cap in place... best method!!!!
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|| Acceptable but very heavy. The original tanks were made of
||
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|| terneplate, which is steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin
||
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|| and 80% lead. It soldered very well. Soldering galvanized steel,
||
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|| which is coated with zinc is much more difficult and requires
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|| special solder alloys and special flux. One method is shown here:
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|| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Imxj2_nXw
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|| I riveted my tank together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it
||
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|| TIG welded around all the edges and over each rivet. During leak
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|| testing I found 39 pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.
||
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|| After re-welding over those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks. Third
||
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|| time was the charm and it has been leak free ever since.
|
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|| However, if I were to do it again I would just rivet it together
||
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|| and use the Flamemaster Dyna-Seal product that I used when
|| building
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|| the tanks for my RV-10. This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all
||
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|| their fuel tanks and it must be pretty successful since there are
||
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|| literally thousands of airplanes flying using this method. It is
||
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|| easy (if somewhat messy) to build a good fuel tank with this
||
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|| method, and the tank doesn't warp during welding like most welded
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|| tanks do (mine included).
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|| Jack Phillips
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|| Most of the fuel tanks I've seen mentioned on this forum have been
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;">Ron<br /><br /></span></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Ron nice looking work. 
In the last picture I see sealer on top of</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| the pop rivets.  Are
they covered completely on the inside</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| (backside)?</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| I built my 701 tanks using
5052-032 aluminum and rivets.  Used the</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Flamemaster Dyna-Seal
sealant from Van's worked great... messy but</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| great! All of the mounting
flanges came from Van's.   The ISS Fuel</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| level senders come from
Van's.  The Fuel Level gauges came from</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ACS(ISS's).  Van's
gauges no good here... calibrated for their</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| tanks!</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Ron</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| View of left
tank....</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Left tank
covered...</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Baffles in
tank....</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Tank
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ISS Fuel level arm sensor
bent and installed...</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| ACS fuel cap in place...
best method!!!!</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Acceptable but very
heavy.  The original tanks were made of</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| terneplate, which is
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| and 80% lead.  It
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| special solder alloys and
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| I riveted my tank
together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| TIG welded around all the
edges and over each rivet.  During leak</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| testing I found 39
pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| After re-welding over
those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks.  Third</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| time was the charm and it
has been leak free ever since.</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| However, if I were to do
it again I would just rivet it together</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| and use the Flamemaster
Dyna-Seal product that I used when</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| building</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| the tanks for my RV-10.
 This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| their fuel tanks and it
must be pretty successful since there are</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| literally thousands of
airplanes flying using this method.  It is</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| easy (if somewhat messy)
to build a good fuel tank with this</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| method, and the tank
doesn't warp during welding like most welded</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">||</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| tanks do (mine
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Most of the fuel tanks
I've seen mentioned on this forum have been</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| made of aluminum.
 Has anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| by soldering the
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Would this method be
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
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4TA0</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:maroon;">|| Needville,
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Should find some here ...
http://search.skygeek.com/?vwcatalog=stylespilotshop&keywords=flamemaster+cs+3
204&x=0&y=0
Ron
| <MFairfield@hewitt.ca>
|
| Good morning Jack,
|
| Your method of riveting the 5052 aluminum and sealing it sounds
| interesting. I checked on the Flamemaster web site and entered
| dyna-seal and came up empty. By any chance would you have the
| product number stowed away somewhere? They have many different
| products and I wanted to find the proper sealant.
|
| Thanks, Mike.
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
| pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Philips
| Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:18 AM
| To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
| Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
|
| <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
|
| Acceptable but very heavy. The original tanks were made of
| terneplate, which is steel sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin
| and 80% lead. It soldered very well. Soldering galvanized steel,
| which is coated with zinc is much more difficult and requires
| special solder alloys and special flux. One method is shown here:
| https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-
| 3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Du7Imxj2-
| 5FnXw&d=CwIDaQ&c=epcZb5jdh1ysHc2TC_uZEMpi5Xp3bPQPSZatc6SDw3A&r=hRt1T_6
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| X8Agc&s=CSlxupiocGrEqE-_kfDsU1JkXn3xMpEeeyVXVXTZZ0k&e
|
| I riveted my tank together out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it
| TIG welded around all the edges and over each rivet. During leak
| testing I found 39 pinhole leaks and took it back to the welder.
| After re-welding over those 39 leaks I only found 9 leaks. Third
| time was the charm and it has been leak free ever since.
|
| However, if I were to do it again I would just rivet it together
| and use the Flamemaster Dyna-Seal product that I used when building
| the tanks for my RV-10. This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all
| their fuel tanks and it must be pretty successful since there are
| literally thousands of airplanes flying using this method. It is
| easy (if somewhat messy) to build a good fuel tank with this
| method, and the tank doesn't warp during welding like most welded
| tanks do (mine included).
|
| Jack Phillips
| NX899JP
| Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
| pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Franklin
| Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:23 AM
| To: Piet_List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
|
| <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
|
| Most of the fuel tanks I've seen mentioned on this forum have been
| made of aluminum. Has anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it
| by soldering the seams?
| Would this method be acceptable?
|
| Thanks,
| John Franklin
| Prairie Aire 4TA0
| Needville, TX
|
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Your method of riveting the
5052 aluminum and sealing it sounds</SPAN></div>
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on the Flamemaster web site and entered</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| dyna-seal and came up empty.
 By any chance would you have the</SPAN></div>
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find the proper sealant.</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Thanks, Mike.</SPAN></div>
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pietenpol-list@matronics.com</SPAN></div>
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Fuel tanks</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Acceptable but very heavy.
 The original tanks were made of</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| terneplate, which is steel
sheet coated with an alloy of 20% tin</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| and 80% lead.  It
soldered very well.  Soldering galvanized steel,</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| which is coated with zinc is
much more difficult and requires</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| special solder alloys and
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| I riveted my tank together
out of 5052 aluminum alloy, then had it</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| TIG welded around all the
edges and over each rivet.  During leak</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| testing I found 39 pinhole
leaks and took it back to the welder.</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| After re-welding over those
39 leaks I only found 9 leaks.  Third</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| time was the charm and it
has been leak free ever since.</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| However, if I were to do it
again I would just rivet it together</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| and use the Flamemaster
Dyna-Seal product that I used when building</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| the tanks for my RV-10.
 This is what Van's Aircraft uses for all</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| their fuel tanks and it must
be pretty successful since there are</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| literally thousands of
airplanes flying using this method.  It is</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| easy (if somewhat messy) to
build a good fuel tank with this</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| method, and the tank doesn't
warp during welding like most welded</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| tanks do (mine
included).</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Jack Phillips</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| NX899JP</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Smith Mountain Lake,
Virginia</SPAN></div>
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href="mailto:owner">mailto:owner</a>-</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">|
pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Franklin</SPAN></div>
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2016 9:23 AM</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Subject: Pietenpol-List:
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Most of the fuel tanks I've
seen mentioned on this forum have been</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| made of aluminum.  Has
anyone used galvanized steel and sealed it</SPAN></div>
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Would this method be
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<div><SPAN style="font-size:12pt;color:navy;">| Thanks,</SPAN></div>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16 |
Bruce;
There are several Piet builders/pilots in the SAC area. Gary Boothe is one (Lincoln),
Chris Tracy is another, the Groah father-son, and there are others. In
eight weeks is the West Coast Piet fly-in, down at Frazier Lake Airpark near
Hollister/Gilroy. Only a couple of hours drive from you. The first Saturday
in June.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Five ribs stitched, 4.5 hours, and I pretty sure I'm gonna lose a finger. M
y 14 year old is off the couch though!
=C2-
Thanks,
Keith Goff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Goff Electric" <goffelectric@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:53:07 PM
Subject: Rib stitch
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/31/16 |
Bruce,
My Sky Scout is in its final stages. You are MORE than welcome to come see it,
anytime. I'm in Colusa, CA, 530-458-7097.
Hope to see you,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 3, 2016, at 3:19 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Bruce;
>
> There are several Piet builders/pilots in the SAC area. Gary Boothe is one (Lincoln),
Chris Tracy is another, the Groah father-son, and there are others.
In eight weeks is the West Coast Piet fly-in, down at Frazier Lake Airpark near
Hollister/Gilroy. Only a couple of hours drive from you. The first Saturday
in June.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Rib stitch |
The good news is that it's easy to fly a Piet with nine fingers! Bravo!
Oh, and ya, it gets a lot easier.... About the time you have it mastered, you'll
be done....
Tools
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