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1. 10:24 AM - Re: New Builder (Joachim Seitz)
2. 10:48 AM - Re: New Builder (Steven Dortch)
3. 10:56 AM - Re: New Builder (Steven Dortch)
4. 06:27 PM - Re: New Builder (Joachim Seitz)
5. 06:51 PM - Re: New Builder (Steven Dortch)
6. 09:17 PM - Pietenpol list and Matt Dralle (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 09:27 PM - Re: Pietenpol list and Matt Dralle (Matt Dralle)
8. 09:39 PM - Re: New Builder (Steven Dortch)
9. 09:49 PM - New Builder (Oscar Zuniga)
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Well hell Steve, what on a Piet doesn't have drag, I'll just fit in even better.
Anyway, I'll keep digging through the archives.
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Look at the idea of leaning the seat back.
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Also. Longer wing cabanes for ease of entry and Either a cutout or a flop
on the wing.
You can put the rudder pedals further forward. But the rudder bar has to be
under the front seat.
One large framed builder has decided on making his piet air camper a
single seat and using the available area for his size.
Keep asking the list someone will speak up with good ideas.
Blue skies, Steve D
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Thanks Steve,
I already planned on the cut out in the wing with a handhold, also a step in the
fuselage side, and raising the wing. I just need to figure out how high to raise
it and what I need to do with the fuse to make it work.
Specifically I was looking at two options:
1) To make the rear instrument panel a tip-up that is attached with a piano hinge
and latches, or
2) To move the front seat and the firewall forward since I need to do so anyway
because of the lighter engine.
Ultimately I can make it work somehow, the CG will be the tricky bit however. Luckily
Bernie blessed us with a wing we can adjust to and throw....
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Joachem, go to www.Westcoastpiet.com lots of pictures and discussion.
Also, there is a Facebook page.
If you can go to brodhead this year you can look at lots of pietenpols in
person
On Apr 18, 2016 8:30 PM, "Joachim Seitz" <joachimkarlseitz@gmail.com> wrote:
> joachimkarlseitz@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks Steve,
>
> I already planned on the cut out in the wing with a handhold, also a step
> in the fuselage side, and raising the wing. I just need to figure out how
> high to raise it and what I need to do with the fuse to make it work.
>
> Specifically I was looking at two options:
> 1) To make the rear instrument panel a tip-up that is attached with a
> piano hinge and latches, or
> 2) To move the front seat and the firewall forward since I need to do so
> anyway because of the lighter engine.
>
> Ultimately I can make it work somehow, the CG will be the tricky bit
> however. Luckily Bernie blessed us with a wing we can adjust to and
> throw....
>
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol list and Matt Dralle |
Friends=3B
The Matronics forum seems to be inoperative and I fear that it has to do wi
th Matt's health problems the end of last year. Has anyone heard from him
or know how he is doing? I can't seem to access the forum=2C which leads m
e to believe that the servers need maintenance but Matt may not be in any s
hape to tend to them. It may also mean that the list may be on shaky groun
d.
If there is anyone in the Livermore=2C CA area who might know Matt or know
of someone who does=2C perhaps we can help with the server maintenance duti
es until he's better=2C or perhaps migrate the list somewhere else if it lo
oks like Matt may not be able to continue?
Thanks=2C all=2C and I am still wishing and hoping to make the West Coast P
iet Fly-In event. I can't believe it's only about six weeks away.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC=2C "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol list and Matt Dralle |
There is currently a disk problem on the Matronics web server. I am working to
resolve the issue as quickly as possible.
Matt Dralle
Matronics
At 09:16 PM 4/18/2016 Monday, you wrote:
>Friends;
>
>The Matronics forum seems to be inoperative and I fear that it has to do with
Matt's health problems the end of last year. Has anyone heard from him or know
how he is doing? I can't seem to access the forum, which leads me to believe
that the servers need maintenance but Matt may not be in any shape to tend to
them. It may also mean that the list may be on shaky ground.
>
>If there is anyone in the Livermore, CA area who might know Matt or know of someone
who does, perhaps we can help with the server maintenance duties until he's
better, or perhaps migrate the list somewhere else if it looks like Matt may
not be able to continue?
>
>Thanks, all, and I am still wishing and hoping to make the West Coast Piet Fly-In
event. I can't believe it's only about six weeks away.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Medford, OR
>Air Camper NX41CC, "Scout"
>A75 power
>
>
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Joachim, where are you? There is a West coast piet gathering soon.
On Apr 18, 2016 8:51 PM, "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joachem, go to www.Westcoastpiet.com lots of pictures and discussion.
>
> Also, there is a Facebook page.
>
> If you can go to brodhead this year you can look at lots of pietenpols in
> person
> On Apr 18, 2016 8:30 PM, "Joachim Seitz" <joachimkarlseitz@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> joachimkarlseitz@gmail.com>
>>
>> Thanks Steve,
>>
>> I already planned on the cut out in the wing with a handhold, also a step
>> in the fuselage side, and raising the wing. I just need to figure out how
>> high to raise it and what I need to do with the fuse to make it work.
>>
>> Specifically I was looking at two options:
>> 1) To make the rear instrument panel a tip-up that is attached with a
>> piano hinge and latches, or
>> 2) To move the front seat and the firewall forward since I need to do so
>> anyway because of the lighter engine.
>>
>> Ultimately I can make it work somehow, the CG will be the tricky bit
>> however. Luckily Bernie blessed us with a wing we can adjust to and
>> throw....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Joe wrote-
> I am planning on an A65-8=2C no electrical=2C wood gear with spoked wheel
s=2C minimum
> instruments with an altimeter=2C airspeed=2C and compass in the front pit
(I want
> to use it to instruct as well)
Joe=2C it would help if you would let us know where you are located=2C sinc
e you may have some very good resources nearby but you won't know and we wo
n't know unless we know where you are.
You didn't say whether you meant you would try instructing from the front '
pit and therefore wanted minimal instrumentation up there for yourself=2C o
r whether you meant you would be instructing from the rear 'pit and only wa
nted minimal instrumentation up front so the student would learn to fly the
airplane and not the instruments. I got my checkride and first flights in
my Air Camper by flying it from the front 'pit=2C minimal distractions (th
ere are NO flight instruments in the front cockpit of 41CC at all)=2C and d
id just fine. Recognize a couple of things about attempting to instruct f
rom the front cockpit=2C and I'll use my airplane as the example. I am NOT
a flight instructor but I've frazzled a lot of them in my day =3Bo)
There are three controls in the rear cockpit of my airplane (okay=2C maybe
four) which I consider to be essential to the safety of flight and control
of the aircraft=2C and which are NOT replicated in the front cockpit of 41C
C=2C or many other Air Campers for that matter. They are the fuel shutoff
valve=2C the carburetor heat control=2C the ignition switch=2C and possibly
the brakes. Think about what that means when you are in the front and a s
tudent has those three (or four) controls and you do not. When I fly my ai
rplane=2C I want to have those controls available to me or I want to have a
certified pilot or skilled operator in the rear seat and I sure as heck wa
nt to have intercom. If you want to instruct or give checkrides=2C think a
bout at the very least duplicating the fuel shutoff and carb heat controls
in both cockpits. At the absolute=2C barest minimum- the carb heat control
=2C if you have a small Continental with a Stromberg carb on it. Stick=2C
throttle=2C and rudders in both cockpits are "givens"=3B instruments are op
tional.
> The only problem I may run into is that I am 6'4" and about 225 pounds. S
o the
> plan is to hopefully try on some Pietenpols at Brodhead and maybe even fi
nd someone
> nice enough to take me up (if I can fit :/). If anyone has any comments
> or advice I am all ears.
The best advice I can give is to try some on. Get away from the crowds whe
re you don't feel self-conscious and can make the honest attempt to get in
and out of both cockpits. I've had several good sized people in the front
cockpit of my Air Camper=2C one of them close to your size=2C so it comes d
own to determination and agility. The older and less agile=2C the greater
the degree of difficulty but I took one guy up who had one or two frozen jo
ints and really had mobility problems but still managed to get in=2C go for
a ride=2C and get back out. The good news is that the weight of the perso
n in the front cockpit has almost no effect on CG and rarely any impact on
gross weight=2C but it depends on the aircraft and that's an entirely separ
ate discussion.
By the way=2C pay no attention to Steven Dortch and his email comments. He
throws peanuts from the peanut gallery=2C cracks jokes=2C helps people dis
assemble and load their aircraft into moving vans when they need help=2C ha
s a great family and takes them to the airport to hang out=2C and has even
ridden in my Air Camper once. I thought it was fun and apparently he did t
oo. A good guy=2C but don't get your airplane or vehicle near him or he'll
take out his spray gun and paint everything red. I saw him do that to a p
erfectly good Chevy Suburban once.
Welcome to the list!
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC
A75 power
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