---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/27/16: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - Re: Pietenpol Plans (AircamperN11MS) 2. 07:18 AM - Re: Pietenpol Plans (tools) 3. 08:20 AM - disc sander (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 08:51 AM - Re: disc sander () 5. 09:22 AM - Re: disc sander (Jack Textor) 6. 10:11 AM - Re: disc sander (Tony Crawford) 7. 11:22 AM - Re: Pietenpol Plans (John C Black) 8. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Plans (Glen Schweizer) 9. 11:53 AM - Re: disc sander () 10. 12:25 PM - Re: disc sander (Glen Schweizer) 11. 12:29 PM - Re: disc sander (Lorenzo) 12. 02:31 PM - Re: Pietenpol Plans (tools) 13. 02:36 PM - Re: disc sander (tools) 14. 07:27 PM - Re: disc sander (aviken) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Plans From: "AircamperN11MS" Well Said Oscar, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455535#455535 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Plans From: "tools" Some more food for thought... There are TONS of quick build Piet kits out there, otherwise known as abandoned projects. Most come with plans. There are also a lot of super quick build kits, otherwise known as damaged or derelict planes that don't even need plans. Nearly all are in the hands of someone who would rather see them go to a good home rather than scrapped. Worst case, wrong gear, fuse and you are worried about the wing... Build new fuse and new ribs. Still easier than scratch building, you get builders certificate if you want. Best case, restore an airplane, feel good about its airworthiness, and have an airplane you can sell with someone else's name on the AW cert. May or may not be what ya want, but worth considering. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455539#455539 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:39 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: disc sander Folks=3B I have need for a larger disc sander than my little benchtop belt/disc has on it so I'm looking for a 12" disc sander. The Harbor Freight "Central Ma chinery" unit is readily available and the lowest cost=2C but the comparabl e Grizzly unit is also available for maybe $40 more. This is not for heavy -duty or production use=2C just for my shop and hobby work. I just need a sander with more torque and a bigger sanding area. Any comments about eith er or both of these units would be appreciated=3B thanks. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:15 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: disc sander Oscar, I was in the same boat several years ago, I looked at both of them and chos e to buy the HF bench top along with a 20% off coupon. I have been very ha ppy with it and no complaints over the years. It is very heavy and solid a nd does a great job, no vibrating or walking away. Sanding discs are easy to change and I can hook up my shop-vac to it to collect the dust. For the price and comparison the HF 12 inch bench top is a good choice. Brian SLC-UT N3218H From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: disc sander Folks; I have need for a larger disc sander than my little benchtop belt/disc has on it so I'm looking for a 12" disc sander. The Harbor Freight "Central Ma chinery" unit is readily available and the lowest cost, but the comparable Grizzly unit is also available for maybe $40 more. This is not for heavy-d uty or production use, just for my shop and hobby work. I just need a sand er with more torque and a bigger sanding area. Any comments about either o r both of these units would be appreciated; thanks. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:14 AM PST US From: Jack Textor Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disc sander Oscar my HF has never let me down... Sent from my iPad > On Apr 27, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Folks; > > I have need for a larger disc sander than my little benchtop belt/disc has on it so I'm looking for a 12" disc sander. The Harbor Freight "Central Ma chinery" unit is readily available and the lowest cost, but the comparable G rizzly unit is also available for maybe $40 more. This is not for heavy-dut y or production use, just for my shop and hobby work. I just need a sander w ith more torque and a bigger sanding area. Any comments about either or bot h of these units would be appreciated; thanks. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disc sander From: Tony Crawford Oscar, How about if we donate $$ to you you??? If it will help you to get the hinges out. Tony On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Folks; > > I have need for a larger disc sander than my little benchtop belt/disc has > on it so I'm looking for a 12" disc sander. The Harbor Freight "Central > Machinery" unit is readily available and the lowest cost, but the > comparable Grizzly unit is also available for maybe $40 more. This is not > for heavy-duty or production use, just for my shop and hobby work. I just > need a sander with more torque and a bigger sanding area. Any comments > about either or both of these units would be appreciated; thanks. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Plans From: John C Black Hi, Im new to the list. I just ordered plans and Im learning. Doc Mosher was great to work with. But I have a question. Is a CAD version of the plans available so we can use our local CNC routers to create some of the shapes ? John ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:27 AM PST US From: Glen Schweizer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Plans Hey John Welcome! CAD? Please keep in mind the pietenpol. 1928,cutting steel out of oil drum lids(I've heard that was mr pietenpol' source of steel). Hardware bolts on the original. The point I'm trying to make is that there really are things that can be made by drawing on real paper or making patterns. Hell, the originals used nails driven into the floor for fuse jigs. Common, really? Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2016, at 11:21 AM, John C Black wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Im new to the list. I just ordered plans and Im learning. Doc Mosher was great to work with. But I have a question. > > Is a CAD version of the plans available so we can use our local CNC routers to create some of the shapes ? > > John > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:52 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disc sander Hi Oscar: Glad you asked. I have a Harbor Freight 6 X 48 belt sander which has the disc on the side to which you are referring. A couple years ago I decided to get an adjustable table for the belt sander like the disc has and ordered one from HF. Last summer accidently knocked it over and it fell on the floor and broke the table. Called HF, and guess what? They no longer sell the table. At Christmas, I bought one for my daughter and called again and tried to buy a table thinking it was just a model number or something kind of problem. No go. They don=99t sell repair parts. So if a another company sells repair parts, then that would be the company to go with and screw HF. Dennis From: Tony Crawford Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disc sander Oscar, How about if we donate $$ to you you??? If it will help you to get the hinges out. Tony On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: Folks; I have need for a larger disc sander than my little benchtop belt/disc has on it so I'm looking for a 12" disc sander. The Harbor Freight "Central Machinery" unit is readily available and the lowest cost, but the comparable Grizzly unit is also available for maybe $40 more. This is not for heavy-duty or production use, just for my shop and hobby work. I just need a sander with more torque and a bigger sanding area. Any comments about either or both of these units would be appreciated; thanks. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:11 PM PST US From: Glen Schweizer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disc sander HF is good considering what they are. If you want something that's going to l ast longer than us, pay 4x the price. HF is throw away quality: reasonably a ccurate, work the beans out of it and when it breaks,trash it. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2016, at 11:53 AM, w rote: > > Hi Oscar: > > Glad you asked. I have a Harbor Freight 6 X 48 belt sander which has the disc on the side to which you are referring. A couple years ago I decided t o get an adjustable table for the belt sander like the disc has and ordered o ne from HF. Last summer accidently knocked it over and it fell on the floor a nd broke the table. Called HF, and guess what? They no longer sell the table . At Christmas, I bought one for my daughter and called again and tried to b uy a table thinking it was just a model number or something kind of problem. No go. They don=99t sell repair parts. > So if a another company sells repair parts, then that would be the compa ny to go with and screw HF. > Dennis > > From: Tony Crawford > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:10 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disc sander > > Oscar, > How about if we donate $$ to you you??? If it will help you to get the hin ges out. > > Tony > >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Oscar Zuniga wr ote: >> Folks; >> >> I have need for a larger disc sander than my little benchtop belt/disc ha s on it so I'm looking for a 12" disc sander. The Harbor Freight "Central M achinery" unit is readily available and the lowest cost, but the comparable G rizzly unit is also available for maybe $40 more. This is not for heavy-dut y or production use, just for my shop and hobby work. I just need a sander w ith more torque and a bigger sanding area. Any comments about either or bot h of these units would be appreciated; thanks. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: disc sander From: "Lorenzo" When I started my Piet build I thought it would be handy to have a large disk sander to trim and size the stick ends. (It has been one of my most useful tools.) I settled on the HF 12". The 10" I examined in the store seemed too flimsy. The 12" was heftier. I have been very happy with it. ShopVac plugs in nicely to keep dust down. I don't remember if the stand came with it, or if I had to buy that separately, but I recommend that too. Lorenzo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455555#455555 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Plans From: "tools" Generally available? Not that I know of. Someone has done it. Also more and more common for shops to be able to scan or trace so that the customer doesn't need to have things digitized first. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455569#455569 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: disc sander From: "tools" Hf and grizzly are the same quality, generally speaking. Hf imports and sells uninspected. Grizzly inspects and generally maintains parts. Matter of personal preference. My preference is to start beating the bushes and scare up an old delta, Rockwell or Milwaukee. Can be had for the same prices depending on condition. Ask around on owwm.org, see them often in the hunnert buck range. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455570#455570 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: disc sander From: "aviken" Hi Oscar,, I bought one of the disk sanders at Harbor Freight, it has the flexible head and uses the 8 inch Velcro type disks. I really like it, I bought it to build my propeller and it worked great. Now I use it all the time for almost any quick sanding job.... I know the durability of these Chinese made motors are fairly short lived, but it seems to be a pretty good machine. 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