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1. 02:13 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 05/08/16 (Semih Oksay)
2. 08:18 AM - Re: rudder cables and tape (Jack Textor)
3. 08:27 AM - Re: Spruce instead of white ash (Pocono John)
4. 09:15 AM - Re: rudder cables and tape (Steven Dortch)
5. 12:30 PM - Re: Spruce instead of white ash (echobravo4)
6. 09:58 PM - Re: rudder cables and tape (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 05/08/16 |
I am in still in the process of building and I preferred to use wedges
wherever I thought the stress might go high (even instantaneously).
The cracks in question might have been caused by a high traverse load on
the left landing gear towards the fuselage other than negative g on left
wing.=8B
My 2 cents
Semih
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> 1. 06:23 AM - Re: Spruce instead of white ash (echobravo4)
> 2. 05:23 PM - Re: Fuselage cracking (womenfly2)
> 3. 08:26 PM - Re: Fuselage cracking (aabreu)
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> Time: 06:23:27 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
> From: "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net>
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> John-
> Woodcraft sells blanks for turning baseball bats that work well
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> Earl Brown
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> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
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> Time: 05:23:22 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage cracking
> From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
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> I looked at your pictures of the aera you are having the issue with. I
> believe
> the plans call for "Spruce Wedges" on all sides of the uprights at both
> gear attachment
> points ... this Piet does not have them from what I can see in your
> pictures.
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> WF2
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> Time: 08:26:51 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage cracking
> From: "aabreu" <andre_abreu_2000@yahoo.com>
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> womenfly2 wrote:
> > I looked at your pictures of the area you are having the issue with. I
> believe
> the plans call for "Spruce Wedges" not just between the "V" but on all
> sides
> of the uprights at both gear attachment points ... this Piet does not hav
e
> them
> from what I can see in your pictures of your repair work. You need to add
> them
> between the outside ply and the new gussets you just installed. This help
s
> to spread the load over a larger area.
> >
> > Just a suggestion. Its your Piet, do as you want.
> > WF2
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> Thanks for the feedback. I'll discuss it with the others. We still can
> stick some
> pieces in there. Not sure if it is really needed with how much we alrea
dy
> reinforced that area.
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> Andy Abreu
> Toledo Ohio.
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| Subject: | rudder cables and tape |
Ralph I too would like to see pictures. The rudder cables do not cross.
You may be thinking of the cables that cross between the center struts.
For the rudder cables I=99m currently making pulleys with cable
guards that will go below the seat on each side, in line with the rudder
bar connection. They will then go through a fairlead attached to the
fuselage diaginal, then exit the fuselage side. Clear as mud? You need
to keep in mind how you will route the cables for your tailwheel. Some
attach them to the rudder cables and others like Jack Phillips run
separate cables to the rudder bar. I=99ve not decided which way I
plan to do it. Hope this helps some.
Jack
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 6:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables and tape
After many years of taking photos and video of Pietenpols under
construction as well as flying examples I have a couple questions. What
is the pathway of the rudder cables between the rudder horns and the
rudder bar? I have the elevator cables under the seat and installed a
couple small pulleys rather than just have the cable through wood.
Where have people run the rudder cable? I can=99t find anything
on the plans or in other readings. Also I read that where cables cross
each other they should be taped together. What is used to tape them
together?
Thanks!
Ralph Hurlbert
Raymond, SD
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| Subject: | Re: Spruce instead of white ash |
Thank! I'd like to order all the white ash at once. I'm stuck on these:
1) if it's labeled just ash and not white ash, is that OK?
2) Sheet 1 seems to indicate two pieces 3/4 X 2 X 24. However, sheet 3 seems to
indicate one piece of that dimension and the other piece 1 X 2 X 24 (which tapers
to 3/4).
3) here's a shopping list I have so far:
-one piece 3/4 X 2 X 24
-one piece either 3/4 X 2 X 24 or 1 X 2 X 24
-one piece 1 X 2 1/4 X 22 1/2
-one piece 2 X 2 1/2 X 22 1/2
-one piece 1 1/4 X 1 1/2 X ?
-one piece 2 X 1 X 24
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John
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| Subject: | Re: rudder cables and tape |
Just a reminder, you can use fairleads or pulleys to support the cable or
change directions. I used phenolic blocks to stabilize the cables running
to the rudder and pedals and protect the wood that it ran near.
Fairleads are are softer than the metal cable and somewhat slick. Nylon
tubes, plastic blocks, Phenolic pieces.......
NOTE 3 degrees is considered the limit for using a fairlead. over 3 degrees
you should use a pulley.
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Jack Textor <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Ralph I too would like to see pictures. The rudder cables do not cross.
> You may be thinking of the cables that cross between the center struts.
> For the rudder cables I=99m currently making pulleys with cable gua
rds that
> will go below the seat on each side, in line with the rudder bar
> connection. They will then go through a fairlead attached to the fuselag
e
> diaginal, then exit the fuselage side. Clear as mud? You need to keep i
n
> mind how you will route the cables for your tailwheel. Some attach them
to
> the rudder cables and others like Jack Phillips run separate cables to th
e
> rudder bar. I=99ve not decided which way I plan to do it. Hope th
is helps
> some.
>
> Jack
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ralph
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 07, 2016 6:51 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: rudder cables and tape
>
>
> After many years of taking photos and video of Pietenpols under
> construction as well as flying examples I have a couple questions. What
is
> the pathway of the rudder cables between the rudder horns and the rudder
> bar? I have the elevator cables under the seat and installed a couple
> small pulleys rather than just have the cable through wood. Where have
> people run the rudder cable? I can=99t find anything on the plans
or in
> other readings. Also I read that where cables cross each other they shou
ld
> be taped together. What is used to tape them together?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ralph Hurlbert
>
> Raymond, SD
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Spruce instead of white ash |
john;
as Jack said there isn't much difference in the species so "ash" would be fine.
i have a Woodcraft in town so i was able to go and pick out the pieces i wanted.
i picked up a couple of the 3"x3"x36" and cut and planed pieces down to what
i needed.
the front crosspiece i did make 1"x2" and tapered the ends to 3/4"
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder cables and tape |
You builders who are working out your rudder and tailwheel cable routing are going
to hear an echo here, but "check out Westcoastpiet"!! It's a treasure chest
of information! Take twenty minutes and just click on the photo links of any
of the Piets listed there, and you will find all you're looking for... and more.
Much more.
I'll throw in just one image, from my own airplane, of the view from the pilot's
seat back into the tailcone:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/trim02.jpg
I know it's fuzzy, and ignore the green bungee that serves as elevator trim, but
the point is that the rudder cables turn up after leaving the back of the seat
(on NX41CC there are both Formica and nylon fairleads till the cables exit
the tail fabric). For the tailwheel cables, there are nylon fairleads along the
lower longeron x-members until the cables exit the tail fabric. Bear in mind
that you will NEVER be able to reach back there to get to those fairleads,
whether or not you have a belly access plate, so do it right the first time (preferably
before covering), and you'll never have to worry about it again.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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