---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/30/16: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:20 AM - Re: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! (Jack Textor) 2. 05:27 AM - Re: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! (Marcus Zechini) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Pietenpol aircsmper for sale. N2rn (AircamperN11MS) 4. 09:58 AM - Re: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! (AircamperN11MS) 5. 11:34 AM - Re: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! (Jack Philips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:43 AM PST US From: Jack Textor Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! Welcome Ed, great summary! Looks like you are making great progress and tha nk you so very much for your service. I miss the 16's we lost here in KDSM. I could be wrong but I believe Jerry Dotson on this list has a similar eng ine with good results. Welcome and be safe... Jack Jack Textor Sent from my iPad > On Jun 29, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Ed KTOWN Knouse wrote : > > Hi all, > > Just a quick introduction to this Matronics Pietenpol family > > My name is Ed Knouse, better known as =9CKTOWN=9D to family an d friends. I am a first-time, novice builder, who purchased a partially comp leted Pietenpol Air Camper about a year ago. I=99m based out of Calvad a Meadows (NV74) in Pahrump, Nevada. I=99ve learned a great deal abou t Experimental Amateur-Building in the past year with a very steep learning c urve! I=99ve already learned some valuable lessons the hard way as wel l! Until now I=99ve only been following a =9CTailwind=9D f orum on Yahoo (for reasons I=99ll explain later)! > > I=99m a former Air Force pilot (F-16s, U-2s and C-12s among other tr aining aircraft). I=99m fairly new to the GA world (just the last 3 ye ars)...again a steep learning curve...flying C-172s and SR-20/22s (several =9Cflavors=9D of each), C-206, the PAC-750 parachute plane on Sunda ys at Jean, NV for fun and excitement (and to supplement my =9Caircraf t porn=9D addiction!) and I=99ve got about a half dozen landings in an RV-6! I=99ve had a few =9Ctrike=9D rides as well a nd hope to complete my checkout in a trike in the next few months as time pe rmits! I just completed my Single Engine Sea rating with Mo Martin and eval uator at Lake Havasu, AZ (KHII) a few months back (most fun you can have wit h your clothes on!)! I=99ve also got a great support group with my loc al EAA Chapter 1160 at Calvada! I've logged nearly 500 hours since joining t he world of GA flying. > > When I bought =9CThe Piety Project=9D as I affectionately refe r to what will ultimately be called =9CThe Fabulous Princess Di=9D (after my Brit wife Diana). The fuselage, landing gear, tail (elevator and r udder) and one wing was essentially completed. I have since completed about 9 0-95% of the last wing and only have the leading edge to shape and then atta ch the hardware. I hope to hang the wings and run the control cables (when I return from an extended overseas business trip in mid-August). The Piety Pr oject came with a Lycoming 290-G that was laying around the hanger which has had a major overhaul (a topic for a separate post) and has recently had its first test run. Tweaking a few things on the motor and then hope to hang i t on the fuselage by early September sporting an Insight G3 gauge to make su re I don=99t mess up the good work on the overhaul! For all you =9Cpurists=9D cover your eyes for the next bit. I plan to put on an el ectrical system (with alternator) and have already installed LED lights for n ight flying. I will also be installing the GTX345 (ADS-B in/out compliant) s o I can fly into controlled airspace after 2020 (I=99ve already been f rom as far east as Fort Worth to as far west as Sacramento in the other airc raft mentioned above)! Still deciding on a radio/intercom system. I plan to u se my iPhone 6 plus (a my poor man=99s glass cockpit) with ForeFlight. It will still have a needle/ball and round dial airspeed/altimeter! It has d ual flight controls and wire wheels. Hopefully that is enough to wet your wh istles! > > As I mentioned earlier, based on questions I had regarding the 290-G conve rsion for aircraft use, I got connected with the Tailwind Forum on Yahoo. Ag aina long story about the 290-G conversion that I=99ll save f or another post (and yes I=99m sure it will be too heavy and has way t o much power at 125hp). I plan to mount a Sensenich, 74" by 45" (pitch) woo den prop on it! DOES THAT SOUND "about right"??? Soliciting inputs! If I c an learn as much from =9Creal Pietenpol=9D builders and pilots f rom this forum as I have learned about the 290-G from the Tailwind forum, I w ill be more than ecstatic!!! > > =46rom the small bit of info/background I have provided above I am guessin g some of you are cringing, some are laughing hysterically,, some are intrig ued, some are curious and most if not all want more info and will be chompin g at the bit with suggestions! I have only had the opportunity to see one co mpleted Pietenpol =9Cin the flesh=9D at Fox Field (KWJF) in Lanc aster, CA and that is apparently a =9Chybrid=9D with Cub wings. > > I hope to be undertaking taxi tests by October (but I have a tendency to b e overly optimistic!) and flights shortly thereafter. Bummed I missed the W est Coast event in June. That would have been an excellent opportunity to le arn tons of info and drool on your aircraft, but even had I known about it I would not have been able to attend due to my current business travel. > > Right now I have only been working on =9CThe Piety Project=9D o n weekends from a shared, rented hanger, but with the recent install of a ge nerator, lights and a swamp cooler, I hope to =9Chit it hard=9D w hen I return. I=99m looking forward to the information I=99m su re I will be able to glean from this forum and look forward to chatting with , emailing and hopefully meeting many of you in the next few weeks, months a nd years! > > I hope to set up a separate blog site and YouTube channel and post photos a nd videos there and here once I learn a bit more about how to navigate aroun d Matronics! > > Cheers, > KTOWN > Owner/pilot of =9CThe Piety Project=9D (aka =9CThe Fabul ous Princess Di=9D) > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! From: Marcus Zechini Welcome! The "hybrid" is a Grega GN-1. I own one (didn't build). It has clipped Cub wings, Cub Gear. Zeke Zechini On Jun 30, 2016 12:25 AM, "Ed KTOWN Knouse" wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick introduction to this Matronics Pietenpol family > > My name is Ed Knouse, better known as =9CKTOWN=9D to family a nd friends. I am > a first-time, novice builder, who purchased a partially completed Pietenp ol > Air Camper about a year ago. I=99m based out of Calvada Meadows (NV 74) in > Pahrump, Nevada. I=99ve learned a great deal about Experimental > Amateur-Building in the past year with a very steep learning curve! I =99ve > already learned some valuable lessons the hard way as well! Until now I =99ve > only been following a =9CTailwind=9D forum on Yahoo (for reas ons I=99ll explain > later)! > > I=99m a former Air Force pilot (F-16s, U-2s and C-12s among other t raining > aircraft). I=99m fairly new to the GA world (just the last 3 years) ...again a > steep learning curve...flying C-172s and SR-20/22s (several =9Cflav ors=9D of > each), C-206, the PAC-750 parachute plane on Sundays at Jean, NV for fun > and excitement (and to supplement my =9Caircraft porn=9D addi ction!) and I=99ve > got about a half dozen landings in an RV-6! I=99ve had a few =9Ctrike=9D rides > as well and hope to complete my checkout in a trike in the next few month s > as time permits! I just completed my Single Engine Sea rating with Mo > Martin and evaluator at Lake Havasu, AZ (KHII) a few months back (most fu n > you can have with your clothes on!)! I=99ve also got a great suppor t group > with my local EAA Chapter 1160 at Calvada! I've logged nearly 500 hours > since joining the world of GA flying. > > When I bought =9CThe Piety Project=9D as I affectionately ref er to what will > ultimately be called =9CThe Fabulous Princess Di=9D (after my Brit wife Diana). > The fuselage, landing gear, tail (elevator and rudder) and one wing was > essentially completed. I have since completed about 90-95% of the last wi ng > and only have the leading edge to shape and then attach the hardware. I > hope to hang the wings and run the control cables (when I return from an > extended overseas business trip in mid-August). The Piety Project came wi th > a Lycoming 290-G that was laying around the hanger which has had a major > overhaul (a topic for a separate post) and has recently had its first tes t > run. Tweaking a few things on the motor and then hope to hang it on the > fuselage by early September sporting an Insight G3 gauge to make sure I > don=99t mess up the good work on the overhaul! For all you =9Cpurists=9D cover > your eyes for the next bit. I plan to put on an electrical system (with > alternator) and have already installed LED lights for night flying. I wil l > also be installing the GTX345 (ADS-B in/out compliant) so I can fly into > controlled airspace after 2020 (I=99ve already been from as far eas t as Fort > Worth to as far west as Sacramento in the other aircraft mentioned above) ! > Still deciding on a radio/intercom system. I plan to use my iPhone 6 plus > (a my poor man=99s glass cockpit) with ForeFlight. It will still ha ve a > needle/ball and round dial airspeed/altimeter! It has dual flight control s > and wire wheels. Hopefully that is enough to wet your whistles! > > As I mentioned earlier, based on questions I had regarding the 290-G > conversion for aircraft use, I got connected with the Tailwind Forum on > Yahoo. Againa long story about the 290-G conversion that I =99ll save for > another post (and yes I=99m sure it will be too heavy and has way t o much > power at 125hp). I plan to mount a Sensenich, 74" by 45" (pitch) wooden > prop on it! DOES THAT SOUND "about right"??? Soliciting inputs! If I ca n > learn as much from =9Creal Pietenpol=9D builders and pilots f rom this forum as > I have learned about the 290-G from the Tailwind forum, I will be more th an > ecstatic!!! > > From the small bit of info/background I have provided above I am guessing > some of you are cringing, some are laughing hysterically,, some are > intrigued, some are curious and most if not all want more info and will b e > chomping at the bit with suggestions! I have only had the opportunity to > see one completed Pietenpol =9Cin the flesh=9D at Fox Field ( KWJF) in > Lancaster, CA and that is apparently a =9Chybrid=9D with Cub wings. > > I hope to be undertaking taxi tests by October (but I have a tendency to > be overly optimistic!) and flights shortly thereafter. Bummed I missed t he > West Coast event in June. That would have been an excellent opportunity t o > learn tons of info and drool on your aircraft, but even had I known about > it I would not have been able to attend due to my current business travel .. > > Right now I have only been working on =9CThe Piety Project=9D on weekends from > a shared, rented hanger, but with the recent install of a generator, ligh ts > and a swamp cooler, I hope to =9Chit it hard=9D when I return . I=99m looking > forward to the information I=99m sure I will be able to glean from this forum > and look forward to chatting with, emailing and hopefully meeting many of > you in the next few weeks, months and years! > > I hope to set up a separate blog site and YouTube channel and post photos > and videos there and here once I learn a bit more about how to navigate > around Matronics! > > Cheers, > KTOWN > Owner/pilot of =9CThe Piety Project=9D (aka =9CThe Fabu lous Princess Di=9D) > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol aircsmper for sale. N2rn From: "AircamperN11MS" Tools, No, I won't be going to Brodhead this year. it's kinda far for me and I would need to take three weeks off work to do it. It's five days of flying each way with decent weather. I do have another Piet camping trip scheduled for July 15th weekend. I'm going to the gold country of CA. Columbia airport about 4.5 hours north of me. A bunch of flying guys going. That should be fun. Enjoy Brodhead, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457553#457553 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi KTown and Marcus, The plane Marcus said he has seen is mine. The tearm Hybrid is a great description. Anyway, I still owe him a ride. For whatever reason we weren't able to provide him hi ride at that time. KTown, I sent you a text a few minutes ago. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457565#457565 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:19 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! Hi Ed, Welcome to the world of Pietenpols, and Pietenpeople! A couple of suggestions for you: If at all possible, try to come to Brodhead for the annual Pietenpol/Hatz fly-in. It will be in just a few weeks (July 21-23) at C37, Brodhead Wisconsin (about 90 miles south of Oshkosh). There you can see (and possibly get a ride in) up to two dozen different Pietenpols. In additiona there are forums geared toward Pietenpol construction. Well worth the trip, if you can make it, and it's right before that "other" fly-in in Wisconsin so you can see both on one trip. As for your instrumentation plans, I doubt the FAA will grant an airworthiness certificate with your instrumentation being just an iPhone 6 and a couple of instruments. The regs require at a minimum that you have an altimeter, airspeed indicator, oil pressure, oil temperature, and a magnetic compass. Before Mike Cuy or someone else says it, I'll tell you to buy the Tony Bingelis books: The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines. You can get them from the EAA. Invaluable information for building a plane from scratch. As for your prop selection, I wouldn't go by anything you read on the Tailwind forum. A Pietenpol has a LOT more drag than a Tailwind and the airplane's speed affects prop selection. Looking at Super Cubs (or Hatz Biplanes) with O-290's would make more sense. Aircraft Spruce lists a Sensenich wooden prop for an O-290 powered Super Cub as 74 x 49. Good to have you building a Pietenpol! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed KTOWN Knouse Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 11:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "The Piety Project" ...new member to this forum! Hi all, Just a quick introduction to this Matronics Pietenpol family. My name is Ed Knouse, better known as "KTOWN" to family and friends. I am a first-time, novice builder, who purchased a partially completed Pietenpol Air Camper about a year ago. I'm based out of Calvada Meadows (NV74) in Pahrump, Nevada. I've learned a great deal about Experimental Amateur-Building in the past year with a very steep learning curve! I've already learned some valuable lessons the hard way as well! Until now I've only been following a "Tailwind" forum on Yahoo (for reasons I'll explain later)! I'm a former Air Force pilot (F-16s, U-2s and C-12s among other training aircraft). I'm fairly new to the GA world (just the last 3 years)...again a steep learning curve...flying C-172s and SR-20/22s (several "flavors" of each), C-206, the PAC-750 parachute plane on Sundays at Jean, NV for fun and excitement (and to supplement my "aircraft porn" addiction!) and I've got about a half dozen landings in an RV-6! I've had a few "trike" rides as well and hope to complete my checkout in a trike in the next few months as time permits! I just completed my Single Engine Sea rating with Mo Martin and evaluator at Lake Havasu, AZ (KHII) a few months back (most fun you can have with your clothes on!)! I've also got a great support group with my local EAA Chapter 1160 at Calvada! I've logged nearly 500 hours since joining the world of GA flying. When I bought "The Piety Project" as I affectionately refer to what will ultimately be called "The Fabulous Princess Di" (after my Brit wife Diana). The fuselage, landing gear, tail (elevator and rudder) and one wing was essentially completed. I have since completed about 90-95% of the last wing and only have the leading edge to shape and then attach the hardware. I hope to hang the wings and run the control cables (when I return from an extended overseas business trip in mid-August). The Piety Project came with a Lycoming 290-G that was laying around the hanger which has had a major overhaul (a topic for a separate post) and has recently had its first test run. Tweaking a few things on the motor and then hope to hang it on the fuselage by early September sporting an Insight G3 gauge to make sure I don't mess up the good work on the overhaul! For all you "purists" cover your eyes for the next bit. I plan to put on an electrical system (with alternator) and have already installed LED lights for night flying. I will also be installing the GTX345 (ADS-B in/out compliant) so I can fly into controlled airspace after 2020 (I've already been from as far east as Fort Worth to as far west as Sacramento in the other aircraft mentioned above)! Still deciding on a radio/intercom system. I plan to use my iPhone 6 plus (a my poor man's glass cockpit) with ForeFlight. It will still have a needle/ball and round dial airspeed/altimeter! It has dual flight controls and wire wheels. Hopefully that is enough to wet your whistles! As I mentioned earlier, based on questions I had regarding the 290-G conversion for aircraft use, I got connected with the Tailwind Forum on Yahoo. Again.a long story about the 290-G conversion that I'll save for another post (and yes I'm sure it will be too heavy and has way to much power at 125hp). I plan to mount a Sensenich, 74" by 45" (pitch) wooden prop on it! DOES THAT SOUND "about right"??? Soliciting inputs! If I can learn as much from "real Pietenpol" builders and pilots from this forum as I have learned about the 290-G from the Tailwind forum, I will be more than ecstatic!!! >From the small bit of info/background I have provided above I am guessing some of you are cringing, some are laughing hysterically,, some are intrigued, some are curious and most if not all want more info and will be chomping at the bit with suggestions! I have only had the opportunity to see one completed Pietenpol "in the flesh" at Fox Field (KWJF) in Lancaster, CA and that is apparently a "hybrid" with Cub wings. I hope to be undertaking taxi tests by October (but I have a tendency to be overly optimistic!) and flights shortly thereafter. Bummed I missed the West Coast event in June. That would have been an excellent opportunity to learn tons of info and drool on your aircraft, but even had I known about it I would not have been able to attend due to my current business travel. Right now I have only been working on "The Piety Project" on weekends from a shared, rented hanger, but with the recent install of a generator, lights and a swamp cooler, I hope to "hit it hard" when I return. I'm looking forward to the information I'm sure I will be able to glean from this forum and look forward to chatting with, emailing and hopefully meeting many of you in the next few weeks, months and years! I hope to set up a separate blog site and YouTube channel and post photos and videos there and here once I learn a bit more about how to navigate around Matronics! Cheers, KTOWN Owner/pilot of "The Piety Project" (aka "The Fabulous Princess Di") ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.