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2. 09:18 AM - Re: Brodhead 2016 (Glen Schweizer)
3. 09:48 AM - carbon fiber part (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 10:18 AM - Re: carbon fiber part (wheelharp)
5. 11:10 AM - Re: carbon fiber part (taildrags)
6. 06:11 PM - this list (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 06:33 PM - Rule number 1 (Steven Dortch)
8. 09:26 PM - Re: this list (taildrags)
9. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: FB (Ken Bickers)
10. 09:36 PM - Re: Re: FB (Ken Bickers)
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HOT,HOT,HOT!! Then HOTTER!!!
Oh yea, and WET!!
And FUN!!
Not sure of the final count, plus there's always piets hangared at Brodhead
that refuse to come out of their lairs and play, but I think we had about 16
or so including a few I had never seen before.
I think a record was set Friday Evening when SIX Ford Pietenpols flew in
formation together, absolutely AWESOME!
Had a few turn-backs due to tech issues and I taxied into a runway marker
and busted my prop which led to that awesome Pietenpol community pulling
together so I had the damaged repaired and a borrowed prop within a day and
was flying on Saturday and got home yesterday after 5:45 hrs in the air.
Thank you all who helped! RE-PIET is fine.
I think the big news was Gene Rambo's "Dillhoffer flying circus"
Ford-powered Piet made her official debut and is a stunning example of
workmanship and purity, flies great too.
The weather was extremely hot and we had two BIG thunderstorms come through.
For some reason, flying was down and the crowd seemed smaller, maybe it was
the weather. I tried to fly a lot, but missed 1.5 days due to my stupidity.
Anyways, another one under the belt and everyone's safe.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2016 |
Any video? Kept checking YouTube over the weekend but nuttin yet=F0=9F=98=83
> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douwe@douwestudios.com> wrote
:
>
> HOT,HOT,HOT!! Then HOTTER!!!
>
> Oh yea, and WET!!
>
> And FUN!!
>
> Not sure of the final count, plus there=99s always piets hangared at
Brodhead that refuse to come out of their lairs and play, but I think we ha
d about 16 or so including a few I had never seen before.
>
> I think a record was set Friday Evening when SIX Ford Pietenpols flew in f
ormation together, absolutely AWESOME!
>
> Had a few turn-backs due to tech issues and I taxied into a runway marker
and busted my prop which led to that awesome Pietenpol community pulling to
gether so I had the damaged repaired and a borrowed prop within a day and wa
s flying on Saturday and got home yesterday after 5:45 hrs in the air. Thank
you all who helped! RE-PIET is fine.
>
> I think the big news was Gene Rambo=99s =9CDillhoffer flying c
ircus=9D Ford-powered Piet made her official debut and is a stunning e
xample of workmanship and purity, flies great too.
>
> The weather was extremely hot and we had two BIG thunderstorms come throug
h. For some reason, flying was down and the crowd seemed smaller, maybe it w
as the weather. I tried to fly a lot, but missed 1.5 days due to my stupidi
ty.
>
> Anyways, another one under the belt and everyone=99s safe.
>
> Douwe
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Subject: | carbon fiber part |
Does anyone here make, or know someone who can make up a custom carbon
fiber
solid rectangular bar? About =BC=94 X 1 =BD=94 by about 6=92 long?
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: carbon fiber part |
I'm sending PM
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Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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Subject: | Re: carbon fiber part |
Douwe; are you talking about a 'pultrusion' or a laid-up part? You could make
a layup yourself, with a mold or form made by nailing or screwing some straight
wooden pieces onto a long piece of plywood and then lining it with plastic sheeting
so you could pop the part out after you build it up out of multiple resined
strips of CF and it cures. Could be fun to clean up the edges afterward
though... not sure planer knives could handle CF cleanly.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458675#458675
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Hey all,
Just returned from Brodhead to find some really interesting comments about
this list. Seems like many want it to continue, as do I. However, for it
to continue and "regrow" into the active site it once was, I'm feeling like
we need to take matters into our own hands and maybe come up with a
game-plan for how to revive it and then keep it healthy.
When the negative slant began to rear it's face a few years back, I asked
Matt Dralle if the site could moderated so inappropriate posts would be
weeded out. He never replied and subsequently I inquired numerous times
with the same result.
Clearly, if we want to maintain the site and regrow it, we'll have to do
things ourselves.
To this end, I propose that a small group of guys who have some history with
the airplane and the site and kind of know the community form, come up with
some ideas for keeping the tone productive and appropriate, and then
formulate a plan to get people back here.
I'm open to suggestions and would love to hear from guys who would commit to
helping out. You can email me at douwe@douwestudios.com or just post it on
the list.
Here are some of my thoughts:
1. Need to form a small "nucleus group" of people with long-term
experience with the airplane and the Pietenpol community, and who also
possess a certain amount of "tact" to effectively deal with unpleasant
people.
2. Come up with a plan to both attract people back and broaden our
exposure
3. Come up with a plan for when people get inappropriate or the tone
begins to degenerate
4. Start getting the word out in the Pietenpol community about what
we're trying to do and try to encourage participation again from those with
a history with the airplane.
$.02
Douwe
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Rule 1change subject lines as needed!
For those who violate this rule,
I say we terminate them with extreme prejudice!
Steve D
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Douwe;
About all I can offer are my observations about the other long-running list that
I'm on: the KRNet. A couple of things about the KR list make it one of the
largest and most active experimental aircraft lists that I'm aware of:
1. The airplane is popular and has been around for a long time, so there are always
new builders coming into the picture without anyone having to promote the
airplane. Certainly the Air Camper has this going for it as well. Enduring
popularity means there will always be people interested in building and flying
Piets. They will look on the internet for resources and support, and here we
are.
2. There are several very knowledgeable builders and pilots on the KR list, they
have been there for a long time, and they fly a lot and are always tweaking
something on their airplanes. They keep the threads going, they have the respect
of the others on the list, and they provide a lot of historical continuity
from year to year. Again, this is also the case for Piet builders and pilots,
but not so much for list members. There are a few on this list who have been
here long and steady, but most of the high-hour builders and pilots either just
check in occasionally, or got off the list, or were never on it. I never
cease to be amazed at how many beautiful examples of Air Campers are out there,
that I've never heard about or even seen pictures of!
3. There are several innovators on the KR list, and they are not just tinkerers...
they keep refining, improving, flight testing. I know that in the research
I did for the "all Piet" edition of Contact! Magazine, I was astounded to learn
about all the nifty and creative things that are going on with Piets, that
I had no idea were going on. This is a very much untapped area, but it can also
get dicey. Innovators among a group of devotees of a 1930s design-? Sometimes
that's like getting a lighted match near a can of gasoline!
4. The KRNet has a moderator and he reads every single post to the list, without
fail, and without a lot of delay. He is very proactive about clearing up misunderstandings
or silencing rude people, fight-starters, and trolls immediately.
When there is genuine controversy, he lets it unroll just enough so everyone
learns and grows, but when it gets personal or counter-productive he removes
posting privileges from the offender to let them cool off but where they can
continue to receive posts and follow the thread so they don't go off and start
a back-fire somewhere. If the aggression and waste of time continue beyond
a reasonable adjustment period, they get bounced from the list. They can reapply
for admission later, and some have come back after being bounced and then
learning a lesson. I don't know how to create a moderator like this out of thin
air. You either have one or you don't, and the KRNet admin holds himself
out as a benevolent dictator. He has the power, but he doesn't wield it ruthlessly.
Everybody wants the list to have a moderator when somebody starts using
foul language or issuing mistaken information, but nobody wants to start the
fight and many people take the "it's a free country" stance and don't want moderation
at all. This list has done pretty well by self-moderating, most Pieters
being a reasonable and self-controlled bunch of folks, but every now and then
some of us cringe and wish the voice of reason would sound off and stop something
that shouldn't be happening.
Not sure what else to offer, because there is no formula for success for an email
list. I don't think this one will go away unless someone shuts it down or
runs everyone off by brute force, but I also don't know how to promote it or increase
its attraction other than continuing to put interesting ideas and discussions
on it, post progress photos that keep other builders turned on, and keep
flying the airplanes. Winning beauty contests at OSH is fine, but taking people
up for fun flights in a fun airplane, inexpensively, has an appeal that
money cannot buy and advertising cannot attract.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458702#458702
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Oscar, et al,
I'm guilty of having become one of the very occasional readers of the
Pietenpol list. So just now read your posting.
I've been tuning into the various facebook postings and enjoying the news
from Brodhead. It has been two years since my last trip to Brodhead.
Living vicariously through the pictures and comments has been fun. I can't
wait to be there again in person, which ... assuming work, flying, and
everything else that causes stars to misalign ... will definitely be in
2017, at least that is my hope.
Before my progress report, let me say how appreciative I am to everyone
that got Douwe's propeller fixed so quickly and him back into the air.
That sort of pitching in continues to be something that totally impresses
me about the folks that are drawn to Pietenpols.
As for my progress, things are coming together very nicely, though more
slowly than I had originally hoped. I've attached a picture. In it you'll
see that the repairs to the fuselage are completed. Fabric is back on
where it had to be removed to repair lower longerons. The gear is on. The
new brakes have been installed. Not visible is the air in the brake lines
that needs to be bled and the gasket that needs to be replaced to fix a
leak at the top of the right master cylinder. The engine mount was
completed over the winter. You'll also see that I'm currently fabricating
a new cowling. That should be done by week's end, though I will still need
to add some doublers around the valve cover and the holes where the exhaust
pipes exit. Then painting of the cowl and nose bowl.
The engine that is inside the cowling is a loaner, which is a visible
example of just how great grass roots aviation people so often can be. It
was loaned to me by a Tailwind builder to allow me to work on the cowling.
Another friend loaned me an intake manifold spider. Someone else loaned me
a MA3 carb. Below the carb is an air box, that I made to scale from balsa
wood. My engine, with fresh overhaul, should be arriving a week or two
after the conclusion of Oshkosh.
Once the engine arrives, I'll need to hook up controls, re-run fuel and oil
lines, connect wires, etc. Also, I've purchased a set of streamlined
struts from Carlsons. Those will need to be trimmed, fitted, and painted.
My original struts are in fine shape, but substantially heavier. I'm using
the forced downtime to reduce weight in a bunch of different places and
that is one of them. The wings are ready to reattach now. They turned out
to be basically unharmed. In total, there were only five small patches
that had to be made to the wings. None that were very involved.
Thanks for the inquiry. I'll send another report when there is something
new to add.
Cheers, Ken
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A couple of things I'd like to post since there isn't much traffic on the
> list at present. First of all, has anyone heard how Ken Bickers is doing
> in the repairs to his airplane up in the Denver area, and his engine mount
> build for the O-200? Next, I always enjoy hearing from Jake Schultz and
> his beautiful round-engine, steel-tube frame Air Camper up in Washington.
> Any news from up there? Is the airplane still rolling on skinny plywood
> wheels? Jake has what may arguably be the cleanest and best organized
> workshop in the entire known universe.
>
> Last item, a public shout-out of thanks to Chris Tracy and Gary Boothe,
> neither of whom I have ever met in person, yet I feel like they are hangar
> mates and airport bums that I get to 'see' (virtually, via this list or
> email) whenever I want to say hey or ask a question. And they are both
> responsible for a certain 2-cylinder, 4-stroke engine of mine that is
> quietly waiting for me to start its next life, which will be on a Part 103
> ultralight. Imagine no biennial, no medical, no radios, no airport fences,
> minimal regulations, no nothing except fuel it up and go fly... all I need
> to do is get myself down to Gary's hangar and pick it up from where he's
> been storing it for me.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458461#458461
>
>
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Oscar, et al,
I'm guilty of having become one of the very occasional readers of the
Pietenpol list. So just now read your posting.
I've been tuning into the various facebook postings and enjoying the news
from Brodhead. It has been two years since my last trip to Brodhead.
Living vicariously through the pictures and comments has been fun. I can't
wait to be there again in person, which ... assuming work, flying, and
everything else that causes stars to misalign ... will definitely be in
2017, at least that is my hope.
Before my progress report, let me say how appreciative I am to everyone
that got Douwe's propeller fixed so quickly and him back into the air.
That sort of pitching in continues to be something that totally impresses
me about the folks that are drawn to Pietenpols.
As for my progress, things are coming together very nicely, though more
slowly than I had originally hoped. I've attached a picture. In it you'll
see that the repairs to the fuselage are completed. Fabric is back on
where it had to be removed to repair lower longerons. The gear is on. The
new brakes have been installed. Not visible is the air in the brake lines
that needs to be bled and the gasket that needs to be replaced to fix a
leak at the top of the right master cylinder. The engine mount was
completed over the winter. You'll also see that I'm currently fabricating
a new cowling. That should be done by week's end, though I will still need
to add some doublers around the valve cover and the holes where the exhaust
pipes exit. Then painting of the cowl and nose bowl.
The engine that is inside the cowling is a loaner, which is a visible
example of just how great grass roots aviation people so often can be. It
was loaned to me by a Tailwind builder to allow me to work on the cowling.
Another friend loaned me an intake manifold spider. Someone else loaned me
a MA3 carb. Below the carb is an air box, that I made to scale from balsa
wood. My engine, with fresh overhaul, should be arriving a week or two
after the conclusion of Oshkosh.
Once the engine arrives, I'll need to hook up controls, re-run fuel and oil
lines, connect wires, etc. Also, I've purchased a set of streamlined
struts from Carlsons. Those will need to be trimmed, fitted, and painted.
My original struts are in fine shape, but substantially heavier. I'm using
the forced downtime to reduce weight in a bunch of different places and
that is one of them. The wings are ready to reattach now. They turned out
to be basically unharmed. In total, there were only five small patches
that had to be made to the wings. None that were very involved.
Thanks for the inquiry. I'll send another report when there is something
new to add.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oscar, et al,
>
> I'm guilty of having become one of the very occasional readers of the
> Pietenpol list. So just now read your posting.
>
> I've been tuning into the various facebook postings and enjoying the news
> from Brodhead. It has been two years since my last trip to Brodhead.
> Living vicariously through the pictures and comments has been fun. I can't
> wait to be there again in person, which ... assuming work, flying, and
> everything else that causes stars to misalign ... will definitely be in
> 2017, at least that is my hope.
>
> Before my progress report, let me say how appreciative I am to everyone
> that got Douwe's propeller fixed so quickly and him back into the air.
> That sort of pitching in continues to be something that totally impresses
> me about the folks that are drawn to Pietenpols.
>
> As for my progress, things are coming together very nicely, though more
> slowly than I had originally hoped. I've attached a picture. In it you'll
> see that the repairs to the fuselage are completed. Fabric is back on
> where it had to be removed to repair lower longerons. The gear is on. The
> new brakes have been installed. Not visible is the air in the brake lines
> that needs to be bled and the gasket that needs to be replaced to fix a
> leak at the top of the right master cylinder. The engine mount was
> completed over the winter. You'll also see that I'm currently fabricating
> a new cowling. That should be done by week's end, though I will still need
> to add some doublers around the valve cover and the holes where the exhaust
> pipes exit. Then painting of the cowl and nose bowl.
>
> The engine that is inside the cowling is a loaner, which is a visible
> example of just how great grass roots aviation people so often can be. It
> was loaned to me by a Tailwind builder to allow me to work on the cowling.
> Another friend loaned me an intake manifold spider. Someone else loaned me
> a MA3 carb. Below the carb is an air box, that I made to scale from balsa
> wood. My engine, with fresh overhaul, should be arriving a week or two
> after the conclusion of Oshkosh.
>
> Once the engine arrives, I'll need to hook up controls, re-run fuel and
> oil lines, connect wires, etc. Also, I've purchased a set of streamlined
> struts from Carlsons. Those will need to be trimmed, fitted, and painted.
> My original struts are in fine shape, but substantially heavier. I'm using
> the forced downtime to reduce weight in a bunch of different places and
> that is one of them. The wings are ready to reattach now. They turned out
> to be basically unharmed. In total, there were only five small patches
> that had to be made to the wings. None that were very involved.
>
> Thanks for the inquiry. I'll send another report when there is something
> new to add.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> A couple of things I'd like to post since there isn't much traffic on the
>> list at present. First of all, has anyone heard how Ken Bickers is doing
>> in the repairs to his airplane up in the Denver area, and his engine mount
>> build for the O-200? Next, I always enjoy hearing from Jake Schultz and
>> his beautiful round-engine, steel-tube frame Air Camper up in Washington.
>> Any news from up there? Is the airplane still rolling on skinny plywood
>> wheels? Jake has what may arguably be the cleanest and best organized
>> workshop in the entire known universe.
>>
>> Last item, a public shout-out of thanks to Chris Tracy and Gary Boothe,
>> neither of whom I have ever met in person, yet I feel like they are hangar
>> mates and airport bums that I get to 'see' (virtually, via this list or
>> email) whenever I want to say hey or ask a question. And they are both
>> responsible for a certain 2-cylinder, 4-stroke engine of mine that is
>> quietly waiting for me to start its next life, which will be on a Part 103
>> ultralight. Imagine no biennial, no medical, no radios, no airport fences,
>> minimal regulations, no nothing except fuel it up and go fly... all I need
>> to do is get myself down to Gary's hangar and pick it up from where he's
>> been storing it for me.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458461#458461
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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