---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/25/16: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:14 AM - Brodhead 2016 (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 09:18 AM - Re: Brodhead 2016 (Glen Schweizer) 3. 09:48 AM - carbon fiber part (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 10:18 AM - Re: carbon fiber part (wheelharp) 5. 11:10 AM - Re: carbon fiber part (taildrags) 6. 06:11 PM - this list (Douwe Blumberg) 7. 06:33 PM - Rule number 1 (Steven Dortch) 8. 09:26 PM - Re: this list (taildrags) 9. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: FB (Ken Bickers) 10. 09:36 PM - Re: Re: FB (Ken Bickers) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:23 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2016 HOT,HOT,HOT!! Then HOTTER!!! Oh yea, and WET!! And FUN!! Not sure of the final count, plus there's always piets hangared at Brodhead that refuse to come out of their lairs and play, but I think we had about 16 or so including a few I had never seen before. I think a record was set Friday Evening when SIX Ford Pietenpols flew in formation together, absolutely AWESOME! Had a few turn-backs due to tech issues and I taxied into a runway marker and busted my prop which led to that awesome Pietenpol community pulling together so I had the damaged repaired and a borrowed prop within a day and was flying on Saturday and got home yesterday after 5:45 hrs in the air. Thank you all who helped! RE-PIET is fine. I think the big news was Gene Rambo's "Dillhoffer flying circus" Ford-powered Piet made her official debut and is a stunning example of workmanship and purity, flies great too. The weather was extremely hot and we had two BIG thunderstorms come through. For some reason, flying was down and the crowd seemed smaller, maybe it was the weather. I tried to fly a lot, but missed 1.5 days due to my stupidity. Anyways, another one under the belt and everyone's safe. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:11 AM PST US From: Glen Schweizer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2016 Any video? Kept checking YouTube over the weekend but nuttin yet=F0=9F=98=83 > On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote : > > HOT,HOT,HOT!! Then HOTTER!!! > > Oh yea, and WET!! > > And FUN!! > > Not sure of the final count, plus there=99s always piets hangared at Brodhead that refuse to come out of their lairs and play, but I think we ha d about 16 or so including a few I had never seen before. > > I think a record was set Friday Evening when SIX Ford Pietenpols flew in f ormation together, absolutely AWESOME! > > Had a few turn-backs due to tech issues and I taxied into a runway marker and busted my prop which led to that awesome Pietenpol community pulling to gether so I had the damaged repaired and a borrowed prop within a day and wa s flying on Saturday and got home yesterday after 5:45 hrs in the air. Thank you all who helped! RE-PIET is fine. > > I think the big news was Gene Rambo=99s =9CDillhoffer flying c ircus=9D Ford-powered Piet made her official debut and is a stunning e xample of workmanship and purity, flies great too. > > The weather was extremely hot and we had two BIG thunderstorms come throug h. For some reason, flying was down and the crowd seemed smaller, maybe it w as the weather. I tried to fly a lot, but missed 1.5 days due to my stupidi ty. > > Anyways, another one under the belt and everyone=99s safe. > > Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:11 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: carbon fiber part Does anyone here make, or know someone who can make up a custom carbon fiber solid rectangular bar? About =BC=94 X 1 =BD=94 by about 6=92 long? Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: carbon fiber part From: "wheelharp" I'm sending PM -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458672#458672 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: carbon fiber part From: "taildrags" Douwe; are you talking about a 'pultrusion' or a laid-up part? You could make a layup yourself, with a mold or form made by nailing or screwing some straight wooden pieces onto a long piece of plywood and then lining it with plastic sheeting so you could pop the part out after you build it up out of multiple resined strips of CF and it cures. Could be fun to clean up the edges afterward though... not sure planer knives could handle CF cleanly. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458675#458675 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:23 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: this list Hey all, Just returned from Brodhead to find some really interesting comments about this list. Seems like many want it to continue, as do I. However, for it to continue and "regrow" into the active site it once was, I'm feeling like we need to take matters into our own hands and maybe come up with a game-plan for how to revive it and then keep it healthy. When the negative slant began to rear it's face a few years back, I asked Matt Dralle if the site could moderated so inappropriate posts would be weeded out. He never replied and subsequently I inquired numerous times with the same result. Clearly, if we want to maintain the site and regrow it, we'll have to do things ourselves. To this end, I propose that a small group of guys who have some history with the airplane and the site and kind of know the community form, come up with some ideas for keeping the tone productive and appropriate, and then formulate a plan to get people back here. I'm open to suggestions and would love to hear from guys who would commit to helping out. You can email me at douwe@douwestudios.com or just post it on the list. Here are some of my thoughts: 1. Need to form a small "nucleus group" of people with long-term experience with the airplane and the Pietenpol community, and who also possess a certain amount of "tact" to effectively deal with unpleasant people. 2. Come up with a plan to both attract people back and broaden our exposure 3. Come up with a plan for when people get inappropriate or the tone begins to degenerate 4. Start getting the word out in the Pietenpol community about what we're trying to do and try to encourage participation again from those with a history with the airplane. $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rule number 1 From: Steven Dortch Rule 1change subject lines as needed! For those who violate this rule, I say we terminate them with extreme prejudice! Steve D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: this list From: "taildrags" Douwe; About all I can offer are my observations about the other long-running list that I'm on: the KRNet. A couple of things about the KR list make it one of the largest and most active experimental aircraft lists that I'm aware of: 1. The airplane is popular and has been around for a long time, so there are always new builders coming into the picture without anyone having to promote the airplane. Certainly the Air Camper has this going for it as well. Enduring popularity means there will always be people interested in building and flying Piets. They will look on the internet for resources and support, and here we are. 2. There are several very knowledgeable builders and pilots on the KR list, they have been there for a long time, and they fly a lot and are always tweaking something on their airplanes. They keep the threads going, they have the respect of the others on the list, and they provide a lot of historical continuity from year to year. Again, this is also the case for Piet builders and pilots, but not so much for list members. There are a few on this list who have been here long and steady, but most of the high-hour builders and pilots either just check in occasionally, or got off the list, or were never on it. I never cease to be amazed at how many beautiful examples of Air Campers are out there, that I've never heard about or even seen pictures of! 3. There are several innovators on the KR list, and they are not just tinkerers... they keep refining, improving, flight testing. I know that in the research I did for the "all Piet" edition of Contact! Magazine, I was astounded to learn about all the nifty and creative things that are going on with Piets, that I had no idea were going on. This is a very much untapped area, but it can also get dicey. Innovators among a group of devotees of a 1930s design-? Sometimes that's like getting a lighted match near a can of gasoline! 4. The KRNet has a moderator and he reads every single post to the list, without fail, and without a lot of delay. He is very proactive about clearing up misunderstandings or silencing rude people, fight-starters, and trolls immediately. When there is genuine controversy, he lets it unroll just enough so everyone learns and grows, but when it gets personal or counter-productive he removes posting privileges from the offender to let them cool off but where they can continue to receive posts and follow the thread so they don't go off and start a back-fire somewhere. If the aggression and waste of time continue beyond a reasonable adjustment period, they get bounced from the list. They can reapply for admission later, and some have come back after being bounced and then learning a lesson. I don't know how to create a moderator like this out of thin air. You either have one or you don't, and the KRNet admin holds himself out as a benevolent dictator. He has the power, but he doesn't wield it ruthlessly. Everybody wants the list to have a moderator when somebody starts using foul language or issuing mistaken information, but nobody wants to start the fight and many people take the "it's a free country" stance and don't want moderation at all. This list has done pretty well by self-moderating, most Pieters being a reasonable and self-controlled bunch of folks, but every now and then some of us cringe and wish the voice of reason would sound off and stop something that shouldn't be happening. Not sure what else to offer, because there is no formula for success for an email list. I don't think this one will go away unless someone shuts it down or runs everyone off by brute force, but I also don't know how to promote it or increase its attraction other than continuing to put interesting ideas and discussions on it, post progress photos that keep other builders turned on, and keep flying the airplanes. Winning beauty contests at OSH is fine, but taking people up for fun flights in a fun airplane, inexpensively, has an appeal that money cannot buy and advertising cannot attract. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458702#458702 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:40 PM PST US From: Ken Bickers Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB Oscar, et al, I'm guilty of having become one of the very occasional readers of the Pietenpol list. So just now read your posting. I've been tuning into the various facebook postings and enjoying the news from Brodhead. It has been two years since my last trip to Brodhead. Living vicariously through the pictures and comments has been fun. I can't wait to be there again in person, which ... assuming work, flying, and everything else that causes stars to misalign ... will definitely be in 2017, at least that is my hope. Before my progress report, let me say how appreciative I am to everyone that got Douwe's propeller fixed so quickly and him back into the air. That sort of pitching in continues to be something that totally impresses me about the folks that are drawn to Pietenpols. As for my progress, things are coming together very nicely, though more slowly than I had originally hoped. I've attached a picture. In it you'll see that the repairs to the fuselage are completed. Fabric is back on where it had to be removed to repair lower longerons. The gear is on. The new brakes have been installed. Not visible is the air in the brake lines that needs to be bled and the gasket that needs to be replaced to fix a leak at the top of the right master cylinder. The engine mount was completed over the winter. You'll also see that I'm currently fabricating a new cowling. That should be done by week's end, though I will still need to add some doublers around the valve cover and the holes where the exhaust pipes exit. Then painting of the cowl and nose bowl. The engine that is inside the cowling is a loaner, which is a visible example of just how great grass roots aviation people so often can be. It was loaned to me by a Tailwind builder to allow me to work on the cowling. Another friend loaned me an intake manifold spider. Someone else loaned me a MA3 carb. Below the carb is an air box, that I made to scale from balsa wood. My engine, with fresh overhaul, should be arriving a week or two after the conclusion of Oshkosh. Once the engine arrives, I'll need to hook up controls, re-run fuel and oil lines, connect wires, etc. Also, I've purchased a set of streamlined struts from Carlsons. Those will need to be trimmed, fitted, and painted. My original struts are in fine shape, but substantially heavier. I'm using the forced downtime to reduce weight in a bunch of different places and that is one of them. The wings are ready to reattach now. They turned out to be basically unharmed. In total, there were only five small patches that had to be made to the wings. None that were very involved. Thanks for the inquiry. I'll send another report when there is something new to add. Cheers, Ken On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, taildrags wrote: > > A couple of things I'd like to post since there isn't much traffic on the > list at present. First of all, has anyone heard how Ken Bickers is doing > in the repairs to his airplane up in the Denver area, and his engine mount > build for the O-200? Next, I always enjoy hearing from Jake Schultz and > his beautiful round-engine, steel-tube frame Air Camper up in Washington. > Any news from up there? Is the airplane still rolling on skinny plywood > wheels? Jake has what may arguably be the cleanest and best organized > workshop in the entire known universe. > > Last item, a public shout-out of thanks to Chris Tracy and Gary Boothe, > neither of whom I have ever met in person, yet I feel like they are hangar > mates and airport bums that I get to 'see' (virtually, via this list or > email) whenever I want to say hey or ask a question. And they are both > responsible for a certain 2-cylinder, 4-stroke engine of mine that is > quietly waiting for me to start its next life, which will be on a Part 103 > ultralight. Imagine no biennial, no medical, no radios, no airport fences, > minimal regulations, no nothing except fuel it up and go fly... all I need > to do is get myself down to Gary's hangar and pick it up from where he's > been storing it for me. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458461#458461 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:52 PM PST US From: Ken Bickers Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB Oscar, et al, I'm guilty of having become one of the very occasional readers of the Pietenpol list. So just now read your posting. I've been tuning into the various facebook postings and enjoying the news from Brodhead. It has been two years since my last trip to Brodhead. Living vicariously through the pictures and comments has been fun. I can't wait to be there again in person, which ... assuming work, flying, and everything else that causes stars to misalign ... will definitely be in 2017, at least that is my hope. Before my progress report, let me say how appreciative I am to everyone that got Douwe's propeller fixed so quickly and him back into the air. That sort of pitching in continues to be something that totally impresses me about the folks that are drawn to Pietenpols. As for my progress, things are coming together very nicely, though more slowly than I had originally hoped. I've attached a picture. In it you'll see that the repairs to the fuselage are completed. Fabric is back on where it had to be removed to repair lower longerons. The gear is on. The new brakes have been installed. Not visible is the air in the brake lines that needs to be bled and the gasket that needs to be replaced to fix a leak at the top of the right master cylinder. The engine mount was completed over the winter. You'll also see that I'm currently fabricating a new cowling. That should be done by week's end, though I will still need to add some doublers around the valve cover and the holes where the exhaust pipes exit. Then painting of the cowl and nose bowl. The engine that is inside the cowling is a loaner, which is a visible example of just how great grass roots aviation people so often can be. It was loaned to me by a Tailwind builder to allow me to work on the cowling. Another friend loaned me an intake manifold spider. Someone else loaned me a MA3 carb. Below the carb is an air box, that I made to scale from balsa wood. My engine, with fresh overhaul, should be arriving a week or two after the conclusion of Oshkosh. Once the engine arrives, I'll need to hook up controls, re-run fuel and oil lines, connect wires, etc. Also, I've purchased a set of streamlined struts from Carlsons. Those will need to be trimmed, fitted, and painted. My original struts are in fine shape, but substantially heavier. I'm using the forced downtime to reduce weight in a bunch of different places and that is one of them. The wings are ready to reattach now. They turned out to be basically unharmed. In total, there were only five small patches that had to be made to the wings. None that were very involved. Thanks for the inquiry. I'll send another report when there is something new to add. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Oscar, et al, > > I'm guilty of having become one of the very occasional readers of the > Pietenpol list. So just now read your posting. > > I've been tuning into the various facebook postings and enjoying the news > from Brodhead. It has been two years since my last trip to Brodhead. > Living vicariously through the pictures and comments has been fun. I can't > wait to be there again in person, which ... assuming work, flying, and > everything else that causes stars to misalign ... will definitely be in > 2017, at least that is my hope. > > Before my progress report, let me say how appreciative I am to everyone > that got Douwe's propeller fixed so quickly and him back into the air. > That sort of pitching in continues to be something that totally impresses > me about the folks that are drawn to Pietenpols. > > As for my progress, things are coming together very nicely, though more > slowly than I had originally hoped. I've attached a picture. In it you'll > see that the repairs to the fuselage are completed. Fabric is back on > where it had to be removed to repair lower longerons. The gear is on. The > new brakes have been installed. Not visible is the air in the brake lines > that needs to be bled and the gasket that needs to be replaced to fix a > leak at the top of the right master cylinder. The engine mount was > completed over the winter. You'll also see that I'm currently fabricating > a new cowling. That should be done by week's end, though I will still need > to add some doublers around the valve cover and the holes where the exhaust > pipes exit. Then painting of the cowl and nose bowl. > > The engine that is inside the cowling is a loaner, which is a visible > example of just how great grass roots aviation people so often can be. It > was loaned to me by a Tailwind builder to allow me to work on the cowling. > Another friend loaned me an intake manifold spider. Someone else loaned me > a MA3 carb. Below the carb is an air box, that I made to scale from balsa > wood. My engine, with fresh overhaul, should be arriving a week or two > after the conclusion of Oshkosh. > > Once the engine arrives, I'll need to hook up controls, re-run fuel and > oil lines, connect wires, etc. Also, I've purchased a set of streamlined > struts from Carlsons. Those will need to be trimmed, fitted, and painted. > My original struts are in fine shape, but substantially heavier. I'm using > the forced downtime to reduce weight in a bunch of different places and > that is one of them. The wings are ready to reattach now. They turned out > to be basically unharmed. In total, there were only five small patches > that had to be made to the wings. None that were very involved. > > Thanks for the inquiry. I'll send another report when there is something > new to add. > > Cheers, Ken > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, taildrags wrote: > >> >> A couple of things I'd like to post since there isn't much traffic on the >> list at present. First of all, has anyone heard how Ken Bickers is doing >> in the repairs to his airplane up in the Denver area, and his engine mount >> build for the O-200? Next, I always enjoy hearing from Jake Schultz and >> his beautiful round-engine, steel-tube frame Air Camper up in Washington. >> Any news from up there? Is the airplane still rolling on skinny plywood >> wheels? Jake has what may arguably be the cleanest and best organized >> workshop in the entire known universe. >> >> Last item, a public shout-out of thanks to Chris Tracy and Gary Boothe, >> neither of whom I have ever met in person, yet I feel like they are hangar >> mates and airport bums that I get to 'see' (virtually, via this list or >> email) whenever I want to say hey or ask a question. And they are both >> responsible for a certain 2-cylinder, 4-stroke engine of mine that is >> quietly waiting for me to start its next life, which will be on a Part 103 >> ultralight. Imagine no biennial, no medical, no radios, no airport fences, >> minimal regulations, no nothing except fuel it up and go fly... all I need >> to do is get myself down to Gary's hangar and pick it up from where he's >> been storing it for me. >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458461#458461 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.