---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/27/16: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:32 AM - Subject change (Steven Dortch) 2. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead 2016 (Jim Boyer) 3. 09:27 AM - Re: Brodhead 2016 (Ryan Mueller) 4. 12:16 PM - Knots or MPH (john francis) 5. 12:39 PM - Re: Knots or MPH (Ben Charvet) 6. 12:59 PM - Re: Knots or MPH (john francis) 7. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Knots or MPH (Boatright, Jeffrey) 8. 01:25 PM - Re: Knots or MPH (john francis) 9. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Knots or MPH (Jack Philips) 10. 04:44 PM - Re: Knots or MPH (Steven Dortch) 11. 05:05 PM - Where I'm at (MacBook Pro) 12. 05:36 PM - Re: Knots or MPH (john francis) 13. 06:42 PM - Re: Where I'm at (Steven Dortch) 14. 07:18 PM - Re: Where I'm at (Marcus Zechini) 15. 08:05 PM - Re: Knots or MPH (Clif Dawson) 16. 09:06 PM - Re: this list (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Subject change From: Steven Dortch Fellow pietenpeople. Please change subject lines to match. It makes the archives easier to search. Blue Skies, Steve D ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Ken Bickers" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB Cc: So Bill, You're on the right track. My hope was that by having the fuselage on the side of the wall the air would bubble out of the brake lines on its own. If that doesn't do it, it may be necessary to work on it while standing inverted from the ceiling. Maybe I'll try that in the next picture I attach to an email. Ken On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Scott, > You have very good eyes. Can you see the air in the brake lines too? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458753#458753 > > > ========== > br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:35 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2016 Hi Ryan, Thank you for posting the videos of the Piet fly overs. I missed being there this year. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2016 From: "Ryan Mueller" You're welcome Jim, and Jeff. If you had to miss one, this year's weather helped make it one to miss. It was still a great time of course, fun and fellowship had despite the heat, but we could have done with a break from our deep South summer up North. :-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458783#458783 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Knots or MPH From: "john francis" Obviously a beginners question but what is most prevalent when it comes to airspeed indicators, knots or mph? John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458791#458791 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Knots or MPH From: Ben Charvet I went with MPH, makes it seem faster...:-) Ben Charvet On 7/27/2016 3:16 PM, john francis wrote: > > Obviously a beginners question but what is most prevalent when it comes to airspeed indicators, knots or mph? > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458791#458791 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Knots or MPH From: "john francis" And 0 -5,500 or 0 to 10,000 on altimeter? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: 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Thanks! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458795#458795 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:03 PM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Knots or MPH I live in the Blue Ridge mountains in Virginia. A straight line between here and Brodhead requires climbing to 6500=99, which I=99ve done on many occasions. It takes a while. I have my airspeed in mph and a 0-10,000=99 altimeter. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Boatright, Jeffrey Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Knots or MPH Are you asking what=99s more common, or what=99s more useful? In a Piet, I like MPH and 0-5,500 ft. The number of time=99s I=99ve had my Piet about 5,000 ft is 1. OTOH, if you live out west, maybe a 10k altimeter is needed. =94 Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Core Director & Research Biologist Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation From: john francis > " > " > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Knots or MPH > And 0 -5,500 or 0 to 10,000 on altimeter? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458793#458793 _____ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Knots or MPH From: Steven Dortch John, I was checking the pitot system and the front and rear read different! I checked fittings and seals. Then I realized the front is in mph and the rear in knots. "Steve, what was your solution?" You ask. I just created different V speeds for each cockpit. It will fly faster from the front cockpit! I prefer mph because it sounds much less slow. Pick what you like! Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:39 PM PST US From: MacBook Pro Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where I'm at Hi Pieters and greetings from Tasmania, I started my subscription to this forum a few years back and kept my head down during the =91flame wars=92, not wishing to appear stupid asking questions that had probably been asked many times before. I think the tone of the forum has been very positive in the past 18 months or so, and I look forward to reading the days digest of posts each evening. This is where I am currently at: I have completed all the wing ribs and both sides of the fuselage. I am presently connecting the two fuselage sides. It=92s winter here, so working in the shed is limited to short bursts. I=92m using a Ford engine and it is currently being re-furbished by a local machinist with considerable experience with old Ford engines. The bore needs to come out 60 thou and the crankshaft has gone 20 thou over. On inspection it was found that one of the original babbit main bearings was damaged. Overhauling it would have meant re-pouring and line drilling the babbits, a very costly procedure (but one he recently carried out for a mate rebuilding a T-Ford). My mate (a T and A Ford man for over 60 years) advised against re-babbiting due to the cost and also the fact that Ford originally used a tin based babbit metal, whereas the babbit material supplied these days is lead based and vastly inferior (according to my learned friend). Consequently, I have had the block machined to take insert bearings. Costly, but I can re-furbish the engine easily in the future if needed. The plans show the tachometer drive coming off the front of the camshaft. By my calculation this would require a pretty long drive shaft to the gauge. Question to those running Ford motors: have any of you taken the drive from elsewhere ( I was thinking maybe off the redundant distributor drive)? The other question I have regarding the Ford motor is the temperature gauge. My 1927 Overland Whippet was like the A Fords; the temperature gauge was a Boyce Motometer stuck in the radiator cap. Can=92t see that would be practical in the Piet (for one thing, you would have to stand up to read it), so I wonder how and what type of sensor is used. Some have a resistance type sensor which require a power source. Many thanks, and the forum lives on. As Mark Twain said =93The report of my death was an exaggeration=94. Respectfully, David Boarder Launceston, Tasmania, Australia The ox is slow, but the earth is patient. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Knots or MPH From: "john francis" All good advice. Thank you. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458809#458809 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where I'm at From: Steven Dortch David, do Ford engines turn the other way down under? Sounds like great progress. My buddy has an Overland Whippet dismantled in preparation for restoration. The engine is an obvious parent to the WW2 jeep motor. More Whippets were exported than kept here Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where I'm at From: Marcus Zechini I believe a Whippet (or two) in restoration at White Post Restorations in Virginia. On Jul 27, 2016 9:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: > David, do Ford engines turn the other way down under? > > Sounds like great progress. > > My buddy has an Overland Whippet dismantled in preparation for > restoration. The engine is an obvious parent to the WW2 jeep motor. More > Whippets were exported than kept here > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:58 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Knots or MPH Every airplane I've flown, from the Fleet 80 Canuck in 62 through Citabria and Chief most recently have been in mph. Apparently all the makers after WW2 did that to look faster. :-) It won't matter so long as your V numbers are the same. Clif Handle every Stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or play with it, Piss on it and walk away. John, I was checking the pitot system and the front and rear read different! I checked fittings and seals. Then I realized the front is in mph and the rear in knots. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: this list From: "aerocarjake" This list is VERY useful and motivating. 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