---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/30/16: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:30 AM - progress in Tasmania (MacBook Pro) 2. 04:48 AM - Re: Link to Jack Textor's Pietenpol construction web site w/ lots of GREAT photos (Jack Textor) 3. 05:35 AM - posting here (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 07:41 AM - Re: OSH (Greg Cardinal) 5. 08:56 AM - Re: OSH (Ray Krause) 6. 10:09 AM - Re: OSH (Greg Cardinal) 7. 10:11 AM - Re: OSH (nightmare) 8. 11:05 AM - Re: OSH (aerocarjake) 9. 12:01 PM - Piet featured in Sport Aviation article (Bill Church) 10. 12:07 PM - Re: Knots or MPH (aerocarjake) 11. 12:11 PM - Re: posting here (Bill Church) 12. 12:49 PM - Re: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article (Bill Church) 13. 07:44 PM - Re: Link to Jack Textor's Pietenpol construction web site w/ lot (taildrags) 14. 07:53 PM - Re: OSH (taildrags) 15. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Greg Cardinal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:34 AM PST US From: MacBook Pro Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress in Tasmania > Hi Douwe, Thanks for the info. I=92ll use the electronic tacho., as you say, a super simple option. As this requires no modification to the camshaft, did you still modify the timing gear cover? Looking at the plans it seems some of the modifications are designed to reduce the oil leak problem that can be a problem at the front of A Ford motors. Snyders have a temperature gauge probe pipe that mounts in the upper hose.What type of sensor did you use? I have noticed in quite a few photos of Pietenpol Fords that there is an additional water outlet at the prop end of the head. I guess there is a problem with a water temperature buildup at the point. Is this outlet created by drilling into the water jacket? I have all 4 of the Bingilis books, the manual from Andrew Pietenpol and the 2 EAA Flying manuals, 1932 and 1933. Thanks again for your assistance. Respectfully, David > Time: 05:16:13 AM PST US > From: "Douwe Blumberg" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress in Tasmania > > HI David and welcome! > > > First off, congratulations on your progress! > > > I had a ford built with insert bearings as well and feel it's a great > solution if done well. I personally think a super-simple tach option is to > simply use a westach electrical tach which simply runs off the "P" lead from > the mag and eliminates the tach cable. I have used one for five years now > and know of others who have been using them with complete success. > Available from Aircraft Spruce. Just be sure to put a small fuse inline > between the gauge and the lead. I think Toni Bingilis mentions them in his > firewall forward book (which EVERYBODY building should be required to own > his entire set). > > > If I remember correctly I welded a boss onto the a short metal tube in the > radiator hose run so I could get water temps coming out of the radiator and > entering the motor. I've also heard that the cap-type gauges can be reading > the temp of the brass rather than pure water temps. > > > Good luck! > > > Douwe > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:43 AM PST US From: Jack Textor Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Link to Jack Textor's Pietenpol construction web site w/ lots of GREAT photos Mike thanks for the kind words! The website is pretty dated but could help s ome... Jack Textor Sent from my iPad > On Jul 29, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Michael Cuy wrote: > > http://textors.com/PietProject.html > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:22 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: posting here John, I hear you, those types of responses, multiplied made the old-timers get sick and leave the list and newcomers scared to ask questions. Though it is certainly helpful to search the archive, and should be suggested, the suggestion often came across as a "shoot-down" and not helpful. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:42 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: OSH Phil, Apologies for replying after leaving OSH but I don't access this list while away.... Four Pietenpols were parked in row 361, north of the brown arch and very close to the Homebuilders HQ. The four were Bob Poore, Dan Helsper, Jill Oakes and myself. A brief recap for anyone interested: Bob Poore, Dan Helsper and I departed Brodhead on Sunday morning as a flight of three. We had a groundspeed of 100 mph as we made our way to Hartford for fuel and to make NORDO arrangements into the UL field at OSH. The winds at OSH on Sunday would have been a direct 20+ mph crosswind with a downhill landing on the short UL runway. We elected to leave the planes at Hartford for the night and got a ride to OSH. At 6:00 am Monday morning we were given a ride back to Hartford to pick up the planes for the flight to OSH. We communicated our progress with ground crew at the UL field to so they could have the pattern clear for our arrival. We all landed in quick succession with the fence lined with spectators. I heard our arrival was quite a show and I'm hoping it shows up on Youtube. We all eventually made our way to the Homebuilt Parking area where we were met by Charlie Becker and Mary Jones for photos and interviews. All week long the crowds were thick around the Pietenpols, especially Dan's. Bob and I planned to depart early Friday (yesterday) morning. Just as we were untying the planes the field went IFR so we were stuck. At 10:30 the field went VFR so it was a scramble to get back to the UL field for departure. Heading west we had to stay at 300 - 400' and maneuver around rain showers. This went on for about 20 - 30 miles and then only slightly improved. We landed at our home fields late in the afternoon after a couple of fuel stops. And finally, I want to add that I am continually amazed at how Pietenpol people will step up and offer help and generosity whenever and wherever needed. From ground transportation to and from Hartford (thank you Pat and Mary Hoyt) to towing my tailskid equipped Piet from the UL field to my parking spot (thank you Mike Danford) and many other offers of assistance. It was an awesome trip and I'm already looking forward to next year. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH --> I'll be at OSH for a few days and was curious where the Piets typically park on the field. I'm hoping to see a few and ask a few questions. Won't be able to make Broadhead. Thanks, PhiL Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:06 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OSH Greg, Thanks for the very enjoyable write-up of your arrival and departure of OSH 2016. Makes me envious! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Greg Cardinal wrote: > > > Phil, > > Apologies for replying after leaving OSH but I don't access this list while > away.... > > Four Pietenpols were parked in row 361, north of the brown arch and very > close to the Homebuilders HQ. > The four were Bob Poore, Dan Helsper, Jill Oakes and myself. > > A brief recap for anyone interested: > Bob Poore, Dan Helsper and I departed Brodhead on Sunday morning as a flight > of three. We had a groundspeed of 100 mph as we made our way to Hartford for > fuel and to make NORDO arrangements into the UL field at OSH. The winds at > OSH on Sunday would have been a direct 20+ mph crosswind with a downhill > landing on the short UL runway. > > We elected to leave the planes at Hartford for the night and got a ride to > OSH. > > At 6:00 am Monday morning we were given a ride back to Hartford to pick up > the planes for the flight to OSH. > We communicated our progress with ground crew at the UL field to so they > could have the pattern clear for our arrival. We all landed in quick > succession with the fence lined with spectators. > > I heard our arrival was quite a show and I'm hoping it shows up on Youtube. > > We all eventually made our way to the Homebuilt Parking area where we were > met by Charlie Becker and Mary Jones for photos and interviews. > > All week long the crowds were thick around the Pietenpols, especially Dan's. > > Bob and I planned to depart early Friday (yesterday) morning. Just as we > were untying the planes the field went IFR so we were stuck. At 10:30 the > field went VFR so it was a scramble to get back to the UL field for > departure. Heading west we had to stay at 300 - 400' and maneuver around > rain showers. This went on for about 20 - 30 miles and then only slightly > improved. > > We landed at our home fields late in the afternoon after a couple of fuel > stops. > > And finally, I want to add that I am continually amazed at how Pietenpol > people will step up and offer help and generosity whenever and wherever > needed. From ground transportation to and from Hartford (thank you Pat and > Mary Hoyt) to towing my tailskid equipped Piet from the UL field to my > parking spot (thank you Mike Danford) and many other offers of assistance. > > It was an awesome trip and I'm already looking forward to next year. > > Greg Cardinal > Minneapolis > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip > Perry > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH > > --> > > I'll be at OSH for a few days and was curious where the Piets typically park > on the field. I'm hoping to see a few and ask a few questions. > > Won't be able to make Broadhead. > > Thanks, > PhiL > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:19 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: OSH One more noteworthy mention is Rob Busch who helped me walk the airplane from its parking spot to the UL field. It was close to a mile and his help was greatly appreciated. Greg -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OSH --> Greg, Thanks for the very enjoyable write-up of your arrival and departure of OSH 2016. Makes me envious! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Greg Cardinal wrote: > > --> > > Phil, > > Apologies for replying after leaving OSH but I don't access this list > while away.... > > Four Pietenpols were parked in row 361, north of the brown arch and > very close to the Homebuilders HQ. > The four were Bob Poore, Dan Helsper, Jill Oakes and myself. > > A brief recap for anyone interested: > Bob Poore, Dan Helsper and I departed Brodhead on Sunday morning as a > flight of three. We had a groundspeed of 100 mph as we made our way to > Hartford for fuel and to make NORDO arrangements into the UL field at > OSH. The winds at OSH on Sunday would have been a direct 20+ mph > crosswind with a downhill landing on the short UL runway. > > We elected to leave the planes at Hartford for the night and got a > ride to OSH. > > At 6:00 am Monday morning we were given a ride back to Hartford to > pick up the planes for the flight to OSH. > We communicated our progress with ground crew at the UL field to so > they could have the pattern clear for our arrival. We all landed in > quick succession with the fence lined with spectators. > > I heard our arrival was quite a show and I'm hoping it shows up on Youtube. > > We all eventually made our way to the Homebuilt Parking area where we > were met by Charlie Becker and Mary Jones for photos and interviews. > > All week long the crowds were thick around the Pietenpols, especially Dan's. > > Bob and I planned to depart early Friday (yesterday) morning. Just as > we were untying the planes the field went IFR so we were stuck. At > 10:30 the field went VFR so it was a scramble to get back to the UL > field for departure. Heading west we had to stay at 300 - 400' and > maneuver around rain showers. This went on for about 20 - 30 miles and > then only slightly improved. > > We landed at our home fields late in the afternoon after a couple of > fuel stops. > > And finally, I want to add that I am continually amazed at how > Pietenpol people will step up and offer help and generosity whenever > and wherever needed. From ground transportation to and from Hartford > (thank you Pat and Mary Hoyt) to towing my tailskid equipped Piet from > the UL field to my parking spot (thank you Mike Danford) and many other offers of assistance. > > It was an awesome trip and I'm already looking forward to next year. > > Greg Cardinal > Minneapolis > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Phillip Perry > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH > > --> > > I'll be at OSH for a few days and was curious where the Piets > typically park on the field. I'm hoping to see a few and ask a few questions. > > Won't be able to make Broadhead. > > Thanks, > PhiL > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH From: "nightmare" that was a great read. thanks for the play by play Ray -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458923#458923 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH From: "aerocarjake" Thanks for your account of the trip. Such an inspiring adventure ! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458924#458924 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article From: "Bill Church" This month's (August 2016) issue of Sport Aviation features an article about the Toledo Buzzards Light Sport Aircraft Club Inc., and their Pietenpol. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458925#458925 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Knots or MPH From: "aerocarjake" I opted for mph because it feels "older." I want people to walk up and ponder "man, how OLD is this plane?" I want as many things as possible to evoke the feeling of an old airplane, even though it will be brand new. Things I am referring to include the round engine, wicker seats, large diameter Harley Davidson tires, simple/vintage paint scheme, etc..... Now the sarcastic answer to the question of mph or knots: I plan to install a CALENDER - ha! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458926#458926 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: posting here From: "Bill Church" A few days ago there was a plea for people to create new subject lines, rather than replying to existing threads, if their comment was not a direct response to the specific question being asked. Well, here's an example of an instance where it probably would have been better to reply to the original post, rather than posting a new topic. Without a link to the original post, it isn't clear what this message is in response to. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458927#458927 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article From: "Bill Church" Hmmm... I tried attaching a copy of the article, but apparently the file was too big. So, I reduced the file size, down to less than 700 kB, and it still gave the message that the file was too big. According to the rules, 3 MB is the maximum attachment size, so I don't know what the problem is. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458928#458928 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Link to Jack Textor's Pietenpol construction web site w/ lot From: "taildrags" The outstanding thing about Jack's construction web site is that it is wonderfully organized by subassembly or topic, AND there are generously-sized thumbnail images under each topic so you can quickly find what you're looking for and then click on that photo without having to scroll through them. An excellent site, and in terms of the 85-year history of the Air Camper, not dated at all! Rather modern, actually... ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458939#458939 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH From: "taildrags" Wait. Did you say Jill Oakes? Did she fly her Piet down from Canada, eh? Last I heard she was making some repairs to it. Quite the inspiration, that pilot! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458942#458942 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:07 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH Yes, Jill Oakes. Affectionately known as "Winnipeg Jill". After Brodhead she flew to Michigan to visit family and THEN flew back to OSH. All of this flying was done with her husband as a passenger. Quite inspiring. Greg Cardinal -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 9:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH --> Wait. Did you say Jill Oakes? Did she fly her Piet down from Canada, eh? Last I heard she was making some repairs to it. Quite the inspiration, that pilot! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458942#458942 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.