Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 08/01/16


Total Messages Posted: 9



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: no radio, no fly (Steven Dortch)
     2. 07:26 AM - Re: no radio, no fly (bdewenter)
     3. 07:34 AM - Re: Inspiring others---thank you Jack Textor!! (bdewenter)
     4. 09:32 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/31/16 (flygirl Mason)
     5. 06:30 PM - Re: Where I'm at (Scott Knowlton)
     6. 08:02 PM - Re: OSH (darmahboy@aol.com)
     7. 08:50 PM - Re: posting here (taildrags)
     8. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
     9. 11:05 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:32:02 AM PST US
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: no radio, no fly
    Before you trash your old handheld, try some corrosionx on the contacts. It is pretty good stuff.


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    Time: 07:26:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: no radio, no fly
    From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com>
    Most Corvair powered Piets run a full electrical system with battery and alternator. The electronic points can run with extremely low voltage. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459019#459019


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    Time: 07:34:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Inspiring others---thank you Jack Textor!!
    From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com>
    Mike, Seeing your Piet featured in an EAA recap of Air venture ?98 or 99? - When I saw your plane I said, "I have to have one of those!" It was years later when I learned you had received the Bronze Lindy. Here it is 2016 and I've been building since 2011! You are to blame for getting me hooked on this, but all 'blame' is on me starting out on this awesome journey. I am enjoying every step. Thank you Mike! Bob -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459020#459020


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    Time: 09:32:27 AM PST US
    From: flygirl Mason <flymason@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/31/16
    Is she the Jill Oakes of the U of Manitoba and author of "Let's Go Flying"? ? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <owner-pietenpol-list-serve r@matronics.com> on behalf of Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@ matronics.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:03:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/31/16 * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=htm l&Chapter 16-07-31&Archive=Pietenpol Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt &Chapter 16-07-31&Archive=Pietenpol ======================== ======================= EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== ======================= ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/31/16: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: OSH (Scott Knowlton) 2. 09:46 AM - Re: OSH (taildrags) 3. 02:52 PM - no radio, no fly (taildrags) 4. 05:54 PM - Re: no radio, no fly (aerocarjake) 5. 08:16 PM - Re: no radio, no fly (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________ _______ Time: 07:23:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com> Oscar and all Jill Oakes is one amazingly inspiring person to meet. She is based at a sma ll grass strip outside of Winnipeg Manitoba. I'm sure most of you share my view tha t there isn't enough young blood at our little grass fields. I complain that at 52 I'm the "kid" on our strip and pine for more involvement of younger p eople on our field. While I complain about the lack of youth Jill arranges a Cess na 150 on her field to be flown by the 99s (women in aviation) as a time build er for $20.00 and hour. That's Canadian!!! That's like $5.00 US for these girl s to build time. She now has a Cherokee available as well, provides free grou ndschool on the field for anyone interested, makes the club house available for birthday parties, special events and even yoga. Predictably there is now a n abundance of young involved people (a group of girls stripped and painted t he 150 recently). Jill has certainly inspired me to do similar things on my field but I need to remind myself that I'll have to find the energy that Jill seems to have an abundan ce of. She is quite the amazing person and a real advocate for our passion of aviation. Scott Knowlton > On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:55 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Wait. Did you say Jill Oakes? Did she fly her Piet down from Canada, eh ? Last I heard she was making some repairs to it. Quite the inspiration, that pil ot! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458942#458942 > > ________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________ _______ Time: 09:46:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> If I remember correctly, Jill bought a set of brass data plates from me a w hile back. I'll have to ask her if she has them installed on her Piet. I was also pleased and happy to read Bob Coolbaugh's writeup in the newest BPA Newsletter, where he recounts his hopping around the country in his beautif ul "New Piet", Two-Two-Victor Yankee. I sold Bob a set of tail surface hinges a while back, so I may email him to see how they are working out. Sounds lik e he's putting plenty of time on them! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458973#458973 ________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________ _______ Time: 02:52:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: no radio, no fly From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Well, I tried. After months of not flying, I decided today would be the da y no matter what. I was wrong. The @#$%& battery pack and contacts on my ancie nt little Icom IC-A23 just couldn't make good enough contact for the radio to work and I'm based on a tower-controlled field. I did the next best thing I cou ld though, which was to clean the windscreens, give the airplane a complete pr eflight, top off the oil, and fire it up. Started pretty easily. I taxied out to the pump and put 9.0 in the tank to top it off, then had a bit of a time getting it started again because I flooded it. I've learned to w atch out when it's hot or it will flood. Got it started, taxied back to the han gar, and let the engine get good and warm. Ran it up for about 10 minutes, up and down in irregular stages through the RPM from idle to full static power , tested carb heat and mags (everything good), and finally shut it down after gettin g the oil nice and warm. At least now the airplane is ready to pull out of the hangar and fly whenever I can get the radio back in service. I should probably just buy a better/newer COM or maybe go ahead and mount a battery in the airplane to provide power to the Icom through the external power jack inste ad of using the AA cell piggyback pack. There are 8 dry cells in series in th e pack, so that's a lot of contacts for the current to flow through and a lot of contacts that have to be sparkling clean to get best power out of it. Radi os and wires take a lot of the fun out of simple airplanes like this. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458992#458992 ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________ _______ Time: 05:54:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: no radio, no fly From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com> Nice.... Sooner or later someone will power a Pietenpol with ELECTRICS and they'll be in real tough shape if their batteries die!!!!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458998#458998 ________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________ _______ Time: 08:16:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: no radio, no fly From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Actually, I've got everything figured out and was going to install it years ago but my interest faded. I have a fairly small and light UPS battery that I was going to wire to a simple 3-way cigarette lighter jack that I got at one of the auto supply places so I could plug in the portable intercom, GPS, or an ything else I wanted to keep from hard-wiring. I have a windshield washer pump fo r the smoke system and was going to permanently install that unit and hard-wi re it through a fuse and a spring-loaded toggle switch on the panel so I could reach it with a finger on my throttle hand when I want smoke. The battery will be constant loss since my airplane has no electrics, and I would keep it on a trickle charge while in the hangar. I have the charger for it already. What I don't have is the interest in adding "stuff" to my airplan e, although I may just bungee the UPS battery into the front seat and wire a 1 2VDC power plug into it to power up the handheld to see how that's going to work . It should do the trick, although as I say, I'm overdue for a proper handhel d and should look for one and be done with it. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459003#459003


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    Time: 06:30:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Where I'm at
    From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
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    Time: 08:02:00 PM PST US
    From: darmahboy@aol.com
    Subject: Re: OSH
    Yes Greg, Rob was huffing pretty hard by the time we got to the south end. Sure glad I have a tail wheel. Bob. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2016 4:06 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: OSH One more noteworthy mention is Rob Busch who helped me walk the airplane from its parking spot to the UL field. It was close to a mile and his help was greatly appreciated. Greg -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OSH --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net> Greg, Thanks for the very enjoyable write-up of your arrival and departure of OSH 2016. Makes me envious! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote: > > --> <gcardinal@comcast.net> > > Phil, > > Apologies for replying after leaving OSH but I don't access this list > while away.... > > Four Pietenpols were parked in row 361, north of the brown arch and > very close to the Homebuilders HQ. > The four were Bob Poore, Dan Helsper, Jill Oakes and myself. > > A brief recap for anyone interested: > Bob Poore, Dan Helsper and I departed Brodhead on Sunday morning as a > flight of three. We had a groundspeed of 100 mph as we made our way to > Hartford for fuel and to make NORDO arrangements into the UL field at > OSH. The winds at OSH on Sunday would have been a direct 20+ mph > crosswind with a downhill landing on the short UL runway. > > We elected to leave the planes at Hartford for the night and got a > ride to OSH. > > At 6:00 am Monday morning we were given a ride back to Hartford to > pick up the planes for the flight to OSH. > We communicated our progress with ground crew at the UL field to so > they could have the pattern clear for our arrival. We all landed in > quick succession with the fence lined with spectators. > > I heard our arrival was quite a show and I'm hoping it shows up on Youtube. > > We all eventually made our way to the Homebuilt Parking area where we > were met by Charlie Becker and Mary Jones for photos and interviews. > > All week long the crowds were thick around the Pietenpols, especially Dan's. > > Bob and I planned to depart early Friday (yesterday) morning. Just as > we were untying the planes the field went IFR so we were stuck. At > 10:30 the field went VFR so it was a scramble to get back to the UL > field for departure. Heading west we had to stay at 300 - 400' and > maneuver around rain showers. This went on for about 20 - 30 miles and > then only slightly improved. > > We landed at our home fields late in the afternoon after a couple of > fuel stops. > > And finally, I want to add that I am continually amazed at how > Pietenpol people will step up and offer help and generosity whenever > and wherever needed. From ground transportation to and from Hartford > (thank you Pat and Mary Hoyt) to towing my tailskid equipped Piet from > the UL field to my parking spot (thank you Mike Danford) and many other offers of assistance. > > It was an awesome trip and I'm already looking forward to next year. > > Greg Cardinal > Minneapolis > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Phillip Perry > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH > > --> <philperry9@gmail.com> > > I'll be at OSH for a few days and was curious where the Piets > typically park on the field. I'm hoping to see a few and ask a few questions. > > Won't be able to make Broadhead. > > Thanks, > PhiL > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:50:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: posting here
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    I thought I would list some interesting statistics about this list (not necessarily about the Piet Forum, but the entire Matronics Pietenpol Air Camper list). Matt has provided some useful tools in the search engine as well as in the Forum tools. So here goes. 1. The Piet list has by far the most total posts of any of the Matronics lists... currently 48,333 posts since its inception in November 2005. The email list statistics show 64,152 posts to our list but the high poster, Matt Dralle, who is the list admin, accounts for 15,819 of those and most of them are housekeeping and notification messages, not on-topic to the list. 2. This list shows a total number of members at 5,637... give or take the list admin ;o) 3. 51% of the list members have either never posted at all to the list (39%) or have only made one post since joining... probably a "hi, everyone..." intro. We truly have a silent majority here, and a LOT of lurkers, but many of them joined as far back as 10 years ago. 4. Not counting Matt, the top 13 posters to this list are responsible for fully half the posts ever made here. The odd thing to me is that of those top 13 posters, I only recognize the handles of two or three. 5. I knew I spent a lot of time at the keyboard, but I was surprised to find that I am #8 on the list with 1,395 posts. However, the top poster is John Hauck with 4,252 posts... 3 times as many as I've put up here. I vaguely recognize John Hauck's name, if he's the guy who built and flew the heck out of a couple of Kolbs... all over the country, cross-country, up to Alaska (I think), to OSH, everywhere. No idea where he is now. 6. Considering that the current statistical number of pilots in the U.S. is about 600,000 (all types, including student, recreational, private, ATP, commercial, and sport), that means that about 1 in 100 U.S. pilots is on this list, on average. That's really not a bad showing. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459074#459074


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    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. 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    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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