---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/02/16: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:15 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/31/16 (Scott Knowlton) 2. 08:05 AM - Re: posting here (tkreiner) 3. 08:48 AM - wire wheel hub question (nightmare) 4. 09:22 AM - Re: wire wheel hub question (Jack Philips) 5. 10:15 AM - Re: wire wheel hub question (nightmare) 6. 10:21 AM - Re: wire wheel hub question (nightmare) 7. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: wire wheel hub question (Jack Philips) 8. 01:50 PM - wheel hub question from Paul Donahue (Michael Cuy) 9. 02:26 PM - Wheel hub question from Paul Donahue (Michael Cuy) 10. 07:01 PM - Re: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article (jarheadpilot82) 11. 08:45 PM - Re: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article (taildrags) 12. 08:58 PM - Re: Re: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article (Ray Krause) 13. 09:05 PM - Re: wire wheel hub question (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/31/16 From: Scott Knowlton One in the same. Scott > On Aug 1, 2016, at 12:34 PM, flygirl Mason wrote: > > Is she the Jill Oakes of the U of Manitoba and author of "Let's Go Flying" ?? > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Pietenpol-List Digest Server > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:03:28 AM > To: Pietenpol-List Digest List > Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/31/16 > > * > > ========================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ========================= > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=ht ml&Chapter 16-07-31&Archive=Pietenpol > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=tx t&Chapter 16-07-31&Archive=Pietenpol > > > ====================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ====================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 07/31/16: 5 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: OSH (Scott Knowlton) > 2. 09:46 AM - Re: OSH (taildrags) > 3. 02:52 PM - no radio, no fly (taildrags) > 4. 05:54 PM - Re: no radio, no fly (aerocarjake) > 5. 08:16 PM - Re: no radio, no fly (taildrags) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 07:23:11 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH > From: Scott Knowlton > > > Oscar and all > > Jill Oakes is one amazingly inspiring person to meet. She is based at a sm all grass > strip outside of Winnipeg Manitoba. I'm sure most of you share my view th at > there isn't enough young blood at our little grass fields. I complain that > at 52 I'm the "kid" on our strip and pine for more involvement of younger p eople > on our field. While I complain about the lack of youth Jill arranges a Ces sna > 150 on her field to be flown by the 99s (women in aviation) as a time buil der > for $20.00 and hour. That's Canadian!!! That's like $5.00 US for these gir ls > to build time. She now has a Cherokee available as well, provides free gro undschool > on the field for anyone interested, makes the club house available for > birthday parties, special events and even yoga. Predictably there is now a n > abundance of young involved people (a group of girls stripped and painted t he > 150 recently). > Jill has certainly inspired me to do similar things on my field but I need to remind > myself that I'll have to find the energy that Jill seems to have an abunda nce > of. She is quite the amazing person and a real advocate for our passion > of aviation. > > Scott Knowlton > > > On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:55 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > > > > Wait. Did you say Jill Oakes? Did she fly her Piet down from Canada, e h? Last > I heard she was making some repairs to it. Quite the inspiration, that pi lot! > > > > -------- > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, OR > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458942#458942 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 09:46:56 AM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH > From: "taildrags" > > > If I remember correctly, Jill bought a set of brass data plates from me a w hile > back. I'll have to ask her if she has them installed on her Piet. > > I was also pleased and happy to read Bob Coolbaugh's writeup in the newest BPA > Newsletter, where he recounts his hopping around the country in his beauti ful > "New Piet", Two-Two-Victor Yankee. I sold Bob a set of tail surface hinge s a > while back, so I may email him to see how they are working out. Sounds li ke he's > putting plenty of time on them! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458973#458973 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 02:52:22 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: no radio, no fly > From: "taildrags" > > > Well, I tried. After months of not flying, I decided today would be the d ay no > matter what. I was wrong. The @#$%& battery pack and contacts on my anci ent > little Icom IC-A23 just couldn't make good enough contact for the radio to work > and I'm based on a tower-controlled field. I did the next best thing I co uld > though, which was to clean the windscreens, give the airplane a complete p reflight, > top off the oil, and fire it up. Started pretty easily. > > I taxied out to the pump and put 9.0 in the tank to top it off, then had a bit > of a time getting it started again because I flooded it. I've learned to w atch > out when it's hot or it will flood. Got it started, taxied back to the ha ngar, > and let the engine get good and warm. Ran it up for about 10 minutes, up > and down in irregular stages through the RPM from idle to full static powe r, tested > carb heat and mags (everything good), and finally shut it down after getti ng > the oil nice and warm. At least now the airplane is ready to pull out of > the hangar and fly whenever I can get the radio back in service. I should probably > just buy a better/newer COM or maybe go ahead and mount a battery in the > airplane to provide power to the Icom through the external power jack inst ead > of using the AA cell piggyback pack. There are 8 dry cells in series in t he > pack, so that's a lot of contacts for the current to flow through and a lo t of > contacts that have to be sparkling clean to get best power out of it. Rad ios > and wires take a lot of the fun out of simple airplanes like this. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458992#458992 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 05:54:31 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: no radio, no fly > From: "aerocarjake" > > > Nice.... Sooner or later someone will power a Pietenpol with ELECTRICS an d they'll > be in real tough shape if their batteries die!!!!! > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458998#458998 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________ ________ > > > Time: 08:16:15 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: no radio, no fly > From: "taildrags" > > > Actually, I've got everything figured out and was going to install it year s ago > but my interest faded. I have a fairly small and light UPS battery that I was > going to wire to a simple 3-way cigarette lighter jack that I got at one o f > the auto supply places so I could plug in the portable intercom, GPS, or a nything > else I wanted to keep from hard-wiring. I have a windshield washer pump f or > the smoke system and was going to permanently install that unit and hard-w ire > it through a fuse and a spring-loaded toggle switch on the panel so I coul d > reach it with a finger on my throttle hand when I want smoke. > > The battery will be constant loss since my airplane has no electrics, and I would > keep it on a trickle charge while in the hangar. I have the charger for i t > already. What I don't have is the interest in adding "stuff" to my airpla ne, > although I may just bungee the UPS battery into the front seat and wire a 1 2VDC > power plug into it to power up the handheld to see how that's going to wor k. > It should do the trick, although as I say, I'm overdue for a proper handhe ld > and should look for one and be done with it. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459003#459003 > > > > > > ========== > -List Email Forum - > enpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > ums.matronics.com > ========== > p; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > matronics.com > ========== > p; - List Contribution Web Site - > p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: posting here From: "tkreiner" Bill, Regarding broken threads... There are a few guys here who CONSTANTLY break a thread, thereby making it almost impossible to figure out what the hell they were writing about! This is not only an annoyance, but tends to gobble up lots of the reader's time if he/she wishes to figure out what the post is about. SO - TO ALL OF YOU (DAMN RIGHT, I'M SCREAMING!) WHO CONSTANTLY BREAK THREADS, STOP IT! -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459099#459099 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: wire wheel hub question From: "nightmare" hey guys. fabricating the hub for wire wheels. great info on fabrication through the west coast piet site. one or two people say to only weld the inboard side of the disc to the tube. was wondering why not the outboard side. warpage because its close to the tubing edge? I would prefer to weld both sides to prevent moisture from getting in there. thoughts? Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459102#459102 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:23 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wire wheel hub question Not sure I understand your question. I bolted my wheel hub halves together. Can you post a picture of what you are talking about welding? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Where I just landed in my Pietenpol after flying the last half hour in rain. Not the best open cockpit experience. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 11:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wire wheel hub question --> hey guys. fabricating the hub for wire wheels. great info on fabrication through the west coast piet site. one or two people say to only weld the inboard side of the disc to the tube. was wondering why not the outboard side. warpage because its close to the tubing edge? I would prefer to weld both sides to prevent moisture from getting in there. thoughts? Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459102#459102 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wire wheel hub question From: "nightmare" sorry. I should have been more clear. its the old school hub like Cuy and Helsper. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459110#459110 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wire wheel hub question From: "nightmare" ill try again to add pic. for some reason having trouble adding pic. but its identical to the wire wheel hub that is explained in west coast piet construction page. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459111#459111 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:04 PM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wire wheel hub question So is mine. Still bolted together. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 1:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wire wheel hub question --> < pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> sorry. I should have been more clear. its the old school hub like Cuy and Helsper. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459110#459110 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:59 PM PST US From: Michael Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: wheel hub question from Paul Donahue *Hi Paul, * *I ended up welding on the inside and the outside of my wheel hub flanges but on the outside I didn't use any filler rod---just sealed the disc to the axel tube so that my sintered* *bronze Oil Lite flanged bushings could press in flush. * *The Oil Lite bronze bushings (I think McMaster-Carr carries them or similar) go into the* *hub about 1" deep. Frank Pavliga gave me a good tip---file 3 grooves into the Oil Lite* *bushing in the same direction as the axel on the OD of the bushing flange and wipe good* *with MEK or solvent. Rough up both the bronze bushings with sandpaper as well as the* *ID of your axel hub tube---wipe all with MEK and T-88 the bushings in place so they spin* *with your wheels and rotate on the axel like they should. The grooves you file into the* *bushings help the T-88 hold them in place. * *Mike C.* [image: Inline image 1] ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:06 PM PST US From: Michael Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel hub question from Paul Donahue *Hi Paul, * *I ended up welding on the inside and the outside of my wheel hub flanges but on the outside I didn't use any filler rod---just sealed the disc to the axel tube so that my sintered* *bronze Oil Lite flanged bushings could press in flush. * *The Oil Lite bronze bushings (I think McMaster-Carr carries them or similar) go into the* *hub about 1" deep. Frank Pavliga gave me a good tip---file 3 grooves into the Oil Lite* *bushing in the same direction as the axel on the OD of the bushing flange and wipe good* *with MEK or solvent. Rough up both the bronze bushings with sandpaper as well as the* *ID of your axel hub tube---wipe all with MEK and T-88 the bushings in place so they spin* *with your wheels and rotate on the axel like they should. The grooves you file into the* *bushings help the T-88 hold them in place. * *Mike C.* ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article From: "jarheadpilot82" Try this. The Buzzard Way - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-sW1jQ2-f5_TUN0c0RSUWc1Zms/view?usp=sharing I uploaded it to my Google Drive, and those who want to can see it there. I will leave it there until such time that someone complains that I am making copyrighted material available improperly. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459134#459134 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article From: "taildrags" Excellent, Terry; thank you for sharing the article. I consider quick, casual reads like this to be the equivalent of taking my magazines to the office break room (or "reading room") for others to enjoy after I'm done with them, the intent being to hook them on airplanes and flying too. The article really makes it sound like affordable, fun, simple flying can still be done and a lot of new pilots and builders can be brought into the fold if a simple, basic, affordable airplane like the Air Camper is available. I fly out of a towered field with scheduled commercial flights, so there is a tall security fence around the place, you need a badge to get in, and there is a general feeling of "I'd better not do any little thing wrong or security will come screaming over here". So it's no surprise that other than several times when I've had guests over to my hangar, I've never in five years seen a youngster anywhere inside the fence and I've never had any curious people other than fellow hangar renters come over to look inside my hangar. Not even anyone peering in through the fence, from outside. As much as I love the experience of sliding open my hangar doors and poking around the airplane, I would even more love to share it with others. There is just something about sticking my head down into the forward cockpit when I'm preflighting the airplane and catching the faint scent of avgas, engine exhaust, maybe a hint of wood and fabric... the smell of an airplane. I started my journey in aviation in an old classic, and now that I have one of my own, I realize that it needs to be shared or it's not really doing what Mr. Pietenpol intended for it. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459140#459140 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:44 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet featured in Sport Aviation article Oscar, Thanks for all your writings, musing, observations and advice. I don't respond to your postings very often because they don't elicit direct responses. But they are very enjoyable and make me think about the wonders of flight and all the joy it brings me and others. Thank you, Ray Krause Building a SkyScout...almost here. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 2, 2016, at 8:44 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Excellent, Terry; thank you for sharing the article. I consider quick, casual reads like this to be the equivalent of taking my magazines to the office break room (or "reading room") for others to enjoy after I'm done with them, the intent being to hook them on airplanes and flying too. The article really makes it sound like affordable, fun, simple flying can still be done and a lot of new pilots and builders can be brought into the fold if a simple, basic, affordable airplane like the Air Camper is available. > > I fly out of a towered field with scheduled commercial flights, so there is a tall security fence around the place, you need a badge to get in, and there is a general feeling of "I'd better not do any little thing wrong or security will come screaming over here". So it's no surprise that other than several times when I've had guests over to my hangar, I've never in five years seen a youngster anywhere inside the fence and I've never had any curious people other than fellow hangar renters come over to look inside my hangar. Not even anyone peering in through the fence, from outside. As much as I love the experience of sliding open my hangar doors and poking around the airplane, I would even more love to share it with others. There is just something about sticking my head down into the forward cockpit when I'm preflighting the airplane and catching the faint scent of avgas, engine exhaust, maybe a hint of wood and fabric... the smell of an airplane. I started my journey i! > n aviation in an old classic, and now that I have one of my own, I realize that it needs to be shared or it's not really doing what Mr. Pietenpol intended for it. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459140#459140 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wire wheel hub question From: "taildrags" The drawing is on the Westcoastpiet site under 'Landing Gear', 'Wire Wheels', and 'Drawing based on Ken Perkins hubs'. The rings for the spokes are shown to be welded to the axle hub on their inner faces only. You can see it here: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wire%20Wheel%20Page/Perkins%20Hubs.tif -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459142#459142 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.