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1. 05:11 AM - Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. (tools)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. (Jack)
3. 07:26 AM - Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. (jarheadpilot82)
4. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. (Steven Dortch)
5. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. (Fastnaught John)
6. 05:53 PM - Vi Kapler's Aircamper (dwilson)
7. 09:39 PM - Re: Vi Kapler's Aircamper (tools)
8. 09:58 PM - Re: Vi Kapler's Aircamper (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. |
My hat is off to ya! Light civil instrument flying is quite a handful...
My first exposure was being a safety pilot for a bud in a 172 in about 1995. The
glide slope and azimuth were different instruments! Not even built into the
attitude gyro! Wow.
The second was my ATP check ride in a very old Beech Travel Air twin in 1998.
To this day the only time I've ever even sat in a light civil twin. First, my
two hours in that 172 meant nothing as everything was so different. Second,
turns out it can't fly on one engine... What?
My third, this is quite funny, was as a CFII giving a lesson about two years ago!
Again, despite my other two forays and about a DOZEN military and commercial
instrument capable plane types, NOTHING was the same. Isn't there any real
standardization out there? The instrument part of flying, pitch power and attitude
are quite similar, but the stuff that gives you situational awareness horizontally
and vertically are not. Not even close.
In the last two years I've been flying some trips with a bud who's company owns
a couple citations and rents one. Again, everything is SO different between
the planes.
Trust me, you've gutted through the worst of it. When you get a paying job with
decent equipment, your life will get better. Can't imagine anything less fun
than manipulating the controls of an underpowered marginal flying 172 under
the hood on a hot summer bumpy day. When you get decent aerodynamics and some
power, it is a lot more fun, useful and in my opinion, safe. Light civil equipment
teaches habits and the ability to formulate a scan pattern.
Also, and probably the most relevant aspect, is you'll be able to maintain some
real proficiency. After five years of dabbling in light civil aviation, I'm
finally to the point where I'm flying weekly as I have access to a number of planes,
doing some instructing, BFRs, etc. for the first time I feel really proficient.
It's a nice feeling, even better than the proficiency of being a student.
Congratulations! Let us know how the commercial is going!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. |
Oscar,
You have a great way of describing things. I, as well, am a MEII and have co
nsiderable experience behind the panel in instrument conditions. But, I agre
e with you that flying my Piet (Abe's Babe II) ( my wife is Abe's Babe I) ju
st to clarify, is absolutely the most fun and full of satisfaction I've ever
had in an airplane. It redefines the flying experience. I have a radio in m
y airplane but rarely turn it on. Thanks for the reminder of what and why we
fly our beloved Piets.
I do have a question about you last post. Please clarify how Steve flew with
you in your Scout? Surely he didn't share the cockpit with you=F0=9F=98=89
As always, thanks for your input. I enjoy your posts.
Jack
N144JF
Model A
Wire wheels
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:55 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm responding to this OT post with more OT material in the context of sev
eral things: (1) Steve is one of the few individuals with the nerve to have
gone up with me in Scout, (2) Steve is one of the few individuals who came o
ut to help me disassemble and help load Scout into the big yellow Penske tru
ck for the 2100 mile journey from Texas to Oregon, (3) all of my instrument t
ime has been at the same time extremely enjoyable and extremely challenging,
and (4) my last flight review was in a C172 with the Garmin G1000 full glas
s panel and I was so impressed with it that my eyeballs nearly fell out.
>
> Moving right along, I don't care to talk about items (1), (2) or (4) other
than to again tip my hat to Steve for always being ready to lend a hand and
to tip my already-tipped hat to anyone who can learn the dials and buttons o
n the G1000 so as to use even 1/10th of its capabilities. If not for the fa
ct that the G1000 panel costs about as much as four or five nice Air Campers
, it would be fun to keep writing about it but that's not my world anymore, I
'm finally conceding.
>
> So now to comment on item (3). Every moment that I've spent under the hoo
d or in 'actual' has been some of the most enjoyable and rewarding time that
I've ever spent in airplanes, but it was about as different a flying experi
ence from an open-cockpit Air Camper as you can imagine. I am an engineer w
ith a completely logical outlook and mindset and I completely 'get' instrume
nt flying. I can visualize everything about instrument flying in my head, a
nd I can almost always translate that to the instrument actions as I manipul
ate the controls, but it's a completely different flying experience, period.
I've flown jet and prop sims and I've flown real single and twin hardware,
and I always love the challenge. I envy those who have the rating and wish
I had gotten mine too, but now my flying is all about stick and rudder and j
ust the sensations of flight and the airplane. Nothing much on the instrume
nt panel is of interest to me anymore if it does nothing to keep the airplan
e !
> in the air or help me keep it so. Every now and then I have a weak moment
when I open the latest AOPA Pilot magazine (I get the Turbine Edition!) and
see the super cool panels and instruments, but then it passes and I remembe
r that I much prefer the smell of too-rich Continental exhaust to looking at
a glass panel.
>
> Sometimes I regret not going for my instrument. As Marlon Brando said in t
he classic movie "On The Waterfront": "You don't understand. I coulda had cl
ass. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, wh
ich is what I am, let's face it."
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460606#460606
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| Subject: | Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. |
Jack,
"Scout" is Oscar's name for his Pietenpol Air Camper, not the name of his aircraft
model.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. |
Jack, Oscar and I are quite comfortable with each other. Scout is the name
of Oscars AirCamper! two holes. (we ain't that comfortable with each other!
)
Bleu Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Jack <fastnaught@windstream.net> wrote:
> Oscar,
> You have a great way of describing things. I, as well, am a MEII and have
> considerable experience behind the panel in instrument conditions. But, I
> agree with you that flying my Piet (Abe's Babe II) ( my wife is Abe's Bab
e
> I) just to clarify, is absolutely the most fun and full of satisfaction
> I've ever had in an airplane. It redefines the flying experience. I have
a
> radio in my airplane but rarely turn it on. Thanks for the reminder of wh
at
> and why we fly our beloved Piets.
> I do have a question about you last post. Please clarify how Steve flew
> with you in your Scout? Surely he didn't share the cockpit with you=F0=9F
=98=89
> As always, thanks for your input. I enjoy your posts.
> Jack
> N144JF
> Model A
> Wire wheels
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:55 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm responding to this OT post with more OT material in the context of
> several things: (1) Steve is one of the few individuals with the nerve t
o
> have gone up with me in Scout, (2) Steve is one of the few individuals wh
o
> came out to help me disassemble and help load Scout into the big yellow
> Penske truck for the 2100 mile journey from Texas to Oregon, (3) all of m
y
> instrument time has been at the same time extremely enjoyable and extreme
ly
> challenging, and (4) my last flight review was in a C172 with the Garmin
> G1000 full glass panel and I was so impressed with it that my eyeballs
> nearly fell out.
>
> Moving right along, I don't care to talk about items (1), (2) or (4) othe
r
> than to again tip my hat to Steve for always being ready to lend a hand a
nd
> to tip my already-tipped hat to anyone who can learn the dials and button
s
> on the G1000 so as to use even 1/10th of its capabilities. If not for th
e
> fact that the G1000 panel costs about as much as four or five nice Air
> Campers, it would be fun to keep writing about it but that's not my world
> anymore, I'm finally conceding.
>
> So now to comment on item (3). Every moment that I've spent under the
> hood or in 'actual' has been some of the most enjoyable and rewarding tim
e
> that I've ever spent in airplanes, but it was about as different a flying
> experience from an open-cockpit Air Camper as you can imagine. I am an
> engineer with a completely logical outlook and mindset and I completely
> 'get' instrument flying. I can visualize everything about instrument
> flying in my head, and I can almost always translate that to the instrume
nt
> actions as I manipulate the controls, but it's a completely different
> flying experience, period. I've flown jet and prop sims and I've flown
> real single and twin hardware, and I always love the challenge. I envy
> those who have the rating and wish I had gotten mine too, but now my flyi
ng
> is all about stick and rudder and just the sensations of flight and the
> airplane. Nothing much on the instrument panel is of interest to me
> anymore if it does nothing to keep the airplane !
> in the air or help me keep it so. Every now and then I have a weak momen
t
> when I open the latest AOPA Pilot magazine (I get the Turbine Edition!) a
nd
> see the super cool panels and instruments, but then it passes and I
> remember that I much prefer the smell of too-rich Continental exhaust to
> looking at a glass panel.
>
> Sometimes I regret not going for my instrument. As Marlon Brando said in
> the classic movie "On The Waterfront": "You don't understand. I coulda ha
d
> class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bu
m,
> which is what I am, let's face it."
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460606#460606
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| Subject: | Re: VERY OT my recent Instrument training. |
Well that explains it.
Thanks,
Jack
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:25 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jack,
>
> "Scout" is Oscar's name for his Pietenpol Air Camper, not the name of his aircraft
model.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460612#460612
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| Subject: | Vi Kapler's Aircamper |
Just wanted you guys to know that Vi's Aircamper is for sale. His daughter is
going to try and sell the plane. It does have four hours of flight time. If
anyone is really interested send me an email and I'll give you her phone number.
Tools, Is this the gentleman with a big red Fire Truck parked in Oshkosh ? I really
need to talk you. Can I get your number, or just call me if you get a chance.
You won't be disappointed if you desire to add to your tool collection.
Dan Wilson
Austin, MN
cell 507-438-8678
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler's Aircamper |
Dan,
Yep, that's me! I'll try to remember to call ya am. If my ADD kicks in, my number
is 423 580 1383.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler's Aircamper |
Dan, the first question anyone wants to know about an airplane for sale is the
price. However, someone who knows Pietenpols should look at the airplane and
let Vi's daughter know what the airplane is really worth before she starts talking
to anyone about buying it. Please, have someone in the Air Camper community
look at the airplane and give Vi's family a real assessment of the airplane's
market value or they might be taken to the cleaners just because they want
to dispose of property. And I mean someone who really cares about both Vi's
family and the Air Camper family, not an airplane broker or somebody who has a
copy of Trade-A-Plane in their bathroom.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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