---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/06/16: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:31 AM - Re: Fuselage joining (MacBook Pro) 2. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: rib jig (Semih Oksay) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: rib jig (Steven Dortch) 4. 06:49 PM - Gasket Shellac??? (tkreiner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage joining From: MacBook Pro Oscar, Im building the ship out of Douglas Fir, called Oregon Pine here. Spruce is not available commercially. Hoop pine comes from Queensland on the Big Island and is expensive compared with the DF which is imported into the state from Canada or Alaska. There is also the extra cost of having it freighted to Tasmania. I managed to buy a lot of DF from a local importer/supplier that had been cut for another plane builder and been racked for over 12 months. The original order lapsed, so I bought it. Very fine grained and straight. I must admit I enjoy working with DF. I have not cut back on the sizing of the pieces. There is a weight difference, but Im on a diet. I did buy some hoop pine when I was up in Queensland a year or so ago, but it didnt seem to have any grain structure, if that makes sense. I understand that the hoop pine cut now is farmed; all the good stuff being taken long ago. I read somewhere it was used to make banana boxes! Instead of Ash I am using some eucalypt, known in Aus. as Tasmanian Oak. This can be from a whole range of eucalyptus species but is plenty strong and light if you select the right piece (one of the species is known as Mountain Ash). Unfortunately, being an island state (smaller than West Virginia with a population less than Wyoming), everything has to come across a stretch of water and none of the local businesses stock items such as AN graded bolts and 4130 chromoly steel. Beautiful place to live, though. David > > Time: 08:06:50 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuselage joining > From: "taildrags" > > > David; > > On a different note, what type of wood are you building your structural members > with? I've heard people say that spruce is not available down under, and that > builders there use hoop pine. Looking at the physical properties of hoop pine, > it looks to be quite similar to spruce, stronger but a bit heavier. Very > similar to Douglas fir but not quite as heavy. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460993#460993 > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:07 AM PST US From: Semih Oksay Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib jig Oscar Your explanation is poetical Semih On Wednesday, October 5, 2016, Ray Krause wrote: > raykrause@frontiernet.net > > > Oscar, > > I agree! > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, taildrags > wrote: > > > > > > > > It's impossible to grow tired of seeing ribs and rib jigs. They seem to > capture the essence of flight just by virtue of the airfoil shape combined > with the trussed structure, the wood, and the glue. Not even sitting in a > bare wood fuselage gives me the same feeling of flight as seeing bare wing > ribs. Sitting in a fuselage always makes me think of lining it up for > landing with an imaginary runway centerline straight ahead, but wing ribs > always say "flying" and "airplane" to me. > > > > -------- > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, OR > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460952#460952 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Semih Oksay ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:10 AM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib jig Before life changed my career directions, I was a Museum Curator. One board member was also a pilot and got approval to put an aviation section in the towns history exhibit. One of the first things we discussed was mounting a wing rib on the wall. Pilots all got it. Dont care if no one else did. Blue Skies, Steve D On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Semih Oksay wrote: > Oscar > > Your explanation is poetical > > Semih > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2016, Ray Krause > wrote: > >> raykrause@frontiernet.net> >> >> Oscar, >> >> I agree! >> >> Ray Krause >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, taildrags wrote: >> > >> taildrags@hotmail.com> >> > >> > It's impossible to grow tired of seeing ribs and rib jigs. They seem >> to capture the essence of flight just by virtue of the airfoil shape >> combined with the trussed structure, the wood, and the glue. Not even >> sitting in a bare wood fuselage gives me the same feeling of flight as >> seeing bare wing ribs. Sitting in a fuselage always makes me think of >> lining it up for landing with an imaginary runway centerline straight >> ahead, but wing ribs always say "flying" and "airplane" to me. >> > >> > -------- >> > Oscar Zuniga >> > Medford, OR >> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460952#460952 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> =================================== >> br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? >> Pietenpol-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> lank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> > > -- > Semih Oksay > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gasket Shellac??? From: "tkreiner" So, we've all used Permatex Gasket Compound - which is nothing more than Gasket Shellac - and is approved for use in certified engines. Because it is a legacy item, developed in the 1920's, it will always be around, but maybe it's not as good as some of the more modern sealants around. Does anyone have experience using Three Bond 1215, developed by Fuji (I think) for Subaru? The Subaru factory guys swear by it, and it's apparently outstanding for eliminating leaks at the crankcase flange split, as well as anywhere else a sealant can be used. Impervious to gas, oil, steam, etc., and remains flexible forever. (Silicone based) So, who here has any experience using it? Corvair guy pitch right in, as you've use many non FAA approved items... Also, any Continental or Lycoming types using it? Where's William when you want to ask a question.... -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461045#461045 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.