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1. 07:19 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/19/16 (Gordon Bowen)
2. 12:21 PM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (taildrags)
3. 02:10 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Help! (john francis)
4. 09:00 PM - Thanks for good suggestions-- West epoxy thickener (Timothy Willis)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/19/16 |
Couple rules for Epoxy: if you want thickness and strength add something
like short strand fibers, ie. cab-o-sil, cotton fiber, kevlar fiber, etc.
if you want bulk but not added "glue strength" you add glass microballons,
lastly, no matter what additive you ALWAYS maintain the mix ratio between
the the resin and the hardener. The mix ratio does not change with the
amount of additive fillers.
Gordon
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> 1. 03:19 AM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (John Woods)
> 2. 06:10 AM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (Steven Dortch)
> 3. 06:13 AM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (Steven Dortch)
> 4. 06:16 AM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (Steven Dortch)
> 5. 06:55 AM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (Mark Baxter)
> 6. 07:00 AM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (Robert Rice)
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> Time: 03:19:07 AM PST US
> From: John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
>
> Tim,
>
> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/
> 403 Microfibres is also suitable.
> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/403-microfibers/
>
> JohnW
>
> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > =8B
> > Guys,
> >
> > I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems
> > epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,
> > but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
> >
> > What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such
> a
> > thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tim in central TX
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 06:10:47 AM PST US
> From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
>
> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I did
> my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.
>
> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tim,
> >
> > The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
> > http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/
> > 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsystem.com/ss/403-
> > microfibers/
> >
> > JohnW
> >
> > On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> =8B
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems
> >> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler
> ,
> >> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
> >>
> >> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such
> >> a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tim in central TX
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 06:13:17 AM PST US
> From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
>
> Their website.
>
> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/the-105-system/
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I
> > did my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.
> >
> > I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve D
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
> >> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/
> >> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsyste
> >> m.com/ss/403-microfibers/
> >>
> >> JohnW
> >>
> >> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> =8B
> >>> Guys,
> >>>
> >>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems
> >>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a fille
> r,
> >>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
> >>>
> >>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find suc
> h
> >>> a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Tim in central TX
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve D
> >
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
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> Time: 06:16:22 AM PST US
> From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
>
> Early morning and only a half cup of coffee in me. If I remember correctly
> for more viscosity you can put in less hardener. BUT I may be wrong.
>
> They do have 405 high density filler.
>
> I have had good luck finding their products as Marine stores. Used a lot on
> boats.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Their website.
> >
> > http://www.westsystem.com/ss/the-105-system/
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch <
> steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I
> >> did my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.
> >>
> >> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.
> >>
> >> Blue Skies,
> >> Steve D
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tim,
> >>>
> >>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
> >>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/
> >>> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsyste
> >>> m.com/ss/403-microfibers/
> >>>
> >>> JohnW
> >>>
> >>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> =8B
> >>>> Guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems
> >>>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a fill
> er,
> >>>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find
> >>>> such a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Tim in central TX
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Blue Skies,
> >> Steve D
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve D
> >
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
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> Time: 06:55:59 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stuff to add to epoxy
> From: "Mark Baxter" <m.baxter@comcast.net>
>
>
> The stuff you want is 404 high density filler. It is specifically for
> bonding
> and can be added in amounts needed to get desired viscosity.
>
> Mark Baxter
> GN-1
> Corvallis, Oregon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462751#462751
>
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> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:00:36 AM PST US
> From: Robert Rice <ricekrgr@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
>
> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px
> #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:whi
> te !important; } Do not change the resin to hardner ratio for West System
> Epoxy. They sell metered pumps to help get it right.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2016, 9:15 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gma
> il.com> wrote:
>
> Early morning and only a half cup of coffee in me. If I remember correctly
> for more viscosity you can put in less hardener. BUT I may be wrong.
>
> They do have 405 high density filler.
>
> I have had good luck finding their products as Marine stores. Used a lot on
> boats.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Their website.
>
> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/ the-105-system/
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I did
> my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.
>
> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica. =C2-http://www.
> westsystem.com/ss/ 406-colloidal-silica/403 Microfibres is also suitable.
> =C2-http://www.westsyste m.com/ss/403-microfibers/
> JohnW
> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> =8BGuys,
> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems epoxy.
> =C2- I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler, bu
> t I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
> What is the right additive?=C2- Where can I get it?=C2- =C2-I could n
> ot find such a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
> Thanks,Tim in central TX
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stuff to add to epoxy |
Tim; most have provided the answer to your question already, but if I may elaborate
just a bit? You can add microballoons to the epoxy to make a lighter, more
sandable filler material ('micro'). You can add flocked cotton fiber to the
epoxy to make it thicker and more structural ('flox'). You can add fumed silica
like Cab-O-Sil to the epoxy to thicken it or make it a reinforced filler.
My understanding is that all of those materials are generic and can be used with
any of the epoxies, although you should always follow the epoxy manufacturer's
instructions when adding anything to a product if it's used in a structural
application.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Help! |
Ive been working on this myself for too long. I have the most forward support
(head rest) done and am going to do the most rear one. I tried working my way
back one at a time and it just wasnt coming out. This is an old post I am attaching
to here. Is there any newer ones with current pictures?
Thanks,
John
--------
John Francis
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| Subject: | Thanks for good suggestions-- West epoxy thickener |
=8B
Thanks for the replies on tis site and direct email. I will follow up with
the vendors tomorrow (Mon.).
Tim in central TX
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