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1. 05:25 AM - Re: Turtle Deck Help! (bdewenter)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Thanks for good suggestions-- West epoxy thickener (bdewenter)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/19/16 (Barry Davis)
4. 12:23 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Help! (john francis)
5. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Turtle Deck Help! (Richard Schreiber)
6. 01:08 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Help! (taildrags)
7. 01:43 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Help! (john francis)
8. 06:46 PM - Steel Fuselage (Texaspiet)
9. 07:50 PM - Re: Steel Fuselage (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Help! |
John,
The turtle deck was my first bug challenge on the airframe. Turned out well and
fairly easy.
I used a CAD program form emachines.com to draw the front support. I used 9 slats
(1/4" x 1/2"). I don't know how to describe this exactly, but in my experience,
the two middle supports are "basically copies of the front support".
Once I had my front support made, I just "transferred" the layout to progressively
smaller "shorter" support panels.
I got the rough dimensions for the two middle supports from measuring the top of
the stringer to the fuselage "cross member"
You know where I live right?
Bob
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Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for good suggestions-- West epoxy thickener |
As others have said, use 406 to increase thickness and STRENGTH.
Use microballons for a strong, yet somewhat sandable "filler". Just try to do
your sanding before the epoxy cures fully and develops its full strength
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Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/19/16 |
Gordon has the correct answer.
Barry
NX973BP
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Bowen
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/19/16
Couple rules for Epoxy: if you want thickness and strength add
something like short strand fibers, ie. cab-o-sil, cotton fiber, kevlar
fiber, etc. if you want bulk but not added "glue strength" you add
glass microballons, lastly, no matter what additive you ALWAYS maintain
the mix ratio between the the resin and the hardener. The mix ratio
does not change with the amount of additive fillers.
Gordon
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1. 03:19 AM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (John Woods)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Stuff to add to epoxy (Steven Dortch)
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Time: 03:19:07 AM PST US
From: John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Tim,
The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/
403 Microfibres is also suitable.
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/403-microfibers/
JohnW
On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
wrote:
> =8B
> Guys,
>
> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems
> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a
filler,
> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
>
> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find
such
a
> thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim in central TX
>
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 06:10:47 AM PST US
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I
did
my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.
I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/
> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsystem.com/ss/403-
> microfibers/
>
> JohnW
>
> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> =8B
>> Guys,
>>
>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems
>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a
filler
,
>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
>>
>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find
such
>> a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 06:13:17 AM PST US
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Their website.
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/the-105-system/
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch
<steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when
I
> did my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.
>
> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/
>> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsyste
>> m.com/ss/403-microfibers/
>>
>> JohnW
>>
>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> =8B
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems
>>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a
fille
r,
>>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
>>>
>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find
suc
h
>>> a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tim in central TX
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 06:16:22 AM PST US
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Early morning and only a half cup of coffee in me. If I remember
correctly
for more viscosity you can put in less hardener. BUT I may be wrong.
They do have 405 high density filler.
I have had good luck finding their products as Marine stores. Used a lot
on
boats.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch
<steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Their website.
>
> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/the-105-system/
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch
<steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
>
> wrote:
>
>> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when
I
>> did my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.
>>
>> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
>>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/
>>> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsyste
>>> m.com/ss/403-microfibers/
>>>
>>> JohnW
>>>
>>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> =8B
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West
systems
>>>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a
fill
er,
>>>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
>>>>
>>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find
>>>> such a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tim in central TX
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Time: 06:55:59 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stuff to add to epoxy
From: "Mark Baxter" <m.baxter@comcast.net>
The stuff you want is 404 high density filler. It is specifically for
bonding
and can be added in amounts needed to get desired viscosity.
Mark Baxter
GN-1
Corvallis, Oregon
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Time: 07:00:36 AM PST US
From: Robert Rice <ricekrgr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
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te !important; } Do not change the resin to hardner ratio for West
System
Epoxy. They sell metered pumps to help get it right.
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On Saturday, November 19, 2016, 9:15 AM, Steven Dortch
<steven.d.dortch@gma
il.com> wrote:
Early morning and only a half cup of coffee in me. If I remember
correctly
for more viscosity you can put in less hardener. BUT I may be wrong.
They do have 405 high density filler.
I have had good luck finding their products as Marine stores. Used a lot
on
boats.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch
<steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
Their website.
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/ the-105-system/
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch
<steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I
did
my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.
I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods <jawesma@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.
=C2-http://www.
westsystem.com/ss/ 406-colloidal-silica/403 Microfibres is also
suitable.
=C2-http://www.westsyste m.com/ss/403-microfibers/
JohnW
On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
wrote:
=8BGuys,
I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems
epoxy.
=C2- I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,
bu
t I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.
What is the right additive?=C2- Where can I get it?=C2- =C2-I
could n
ot find such a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.
Thanks,Tim in central TX
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Help! |
Thanks for the suggestions. I have not abandoned my first attempt at this yet
with scrap pieces of plywood as supports. This is starting to look pretty good
to me now. Does anyone see any problems with this?
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Help! |
John,
The bottom line is do what looks good to you. On the other hand, when
planes with turtle decks are judged at Oshkosh, the judges look down the
stringers to make sure the are perfectly straight. They are looking for
stringers that have no bows in any direction. It can be done, but is
more difficult to lay out and perfect. See the attached photos.
Rick Schreiber
NX478RS
Valparaiso IN
On 11/22/2016 2:22 PM, john francis wrote:
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> Thanks for the suggestions. I have not abandoned my first attempt at this yet
with scrap pieces of plywood as supports. This is starting to look pretty good
to me now. Does anyone see any problems with this?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Help! |
John;
It does seem to be taking on some pleasing lines! And I realize that you're just
getting underway with it, but if you'll look at the image "tdeck1" that I sent,
that piece of plywood over the stringers just aft of the rear seat back is
very important. I rest the palm of my hand right there every time I get out
of the cockpit, and if the plywood wasn't there, I would be pushing on the fabric
and not much else. You don't have to scallop the aft edge of the plywood,
but I think the scalloping helps the fabric lay down smoother and not form a
visible ridge where the plywood ends.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Help! |
I haven't glued anything in yet. I was going to add the piece of plywood behind
the headrest last. Tomorrow I will start over from the front. I am not familiar
with cadcam programs so will do it the old fashion way...with strings.
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Rejoining the list today. I bought a steel tube Pietenpol project and was looking
for anyone else building with a steel tube fuselage. Thanks!
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: Steel Fuselage |
Rich; I don't know who might be building one in TX, but I'm pretty sure Terry Hand
is building a steel tube fuselage in GA, so is Jake Schultz up here in WA
state, and of course Scott Liefeld out here in California has been flying his
since 1972 and is very helpful with building tips.
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Medford, OR
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