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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
Greetings, 'Lostman'-
You've got an interesting airplane there. Checking the FAA registry on Six-Three-Niner-Eight,
it does not list the engine type, but the photo looks like it's
a Subaru. No sign of a radiator though... just all those ventilation louvers
on the aft side of the cowling. Whatcha got-?
About the elevator cable tension. If your Piet has the stock control cable geometry
(cables pass under the pilot's seat to the walking beam behind the seat,
then individual cables aft to each elevator), the cable tension will never be
the same in both up and down cables and there will always be slack in the cables
at some point in the travel. If you try to take out all the slack, your controls
will bind and the stick will be very stiff in fore-and-aft motion.
There are a couple of things you can look at. First thing is, how are the cables
routed under the rear seat? Plans call for cable guide holes to be bored through
the seat support, but that's pretty crude and most builders either put
small pulleys there or else they provide nylon fairleads for the cables to pass
through. Not essential, but helpful. Next thing is, the elevators ('flippers')
themselves want to sag when the airplane is parked without the engine running,
and just lifting them without any air moving over them can make the stick
a bit heavy when you haul it back on the ground. That force lightens up as
soon as there is propwash or forward motion through the air.
Elevator cable tension: block up the elevators so they're in trail with the horizontal
stabilizer and wiggle the wires. They should not be twangy at all, but
they also shouldn't have much slack with the elevator in that position. At
rest with the flippers down, the top cables on a stock Air Camper will be rubbing
the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer, so not much slack in those
cables. Most builders add some sort of rub strips on the leading edges of the
HS where the top cable runs over it (mine has pinked leather patches glued on;
the leather was cut from a shoe that I found on the side of the road!) The
lower cables will have noticeable slack in them in that condition.
Are you in Utah, or is that the former owner? The FAA registry lists it as being
in Utah, and the reason I ask is because there are Piet builders in just about
every state of the union and you might be near enough to one to have them
drop by your shop and take a look at the cable tension. One standout Piet person
in Utah is Steve Eldredge, who is in the SLC area. Steve's green Air Camper
is the one you see by the Piet listing when you go to the Matronics site.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
Aha. A little searching of the archives found that your airplane was Duane Woolsey's,
and it is Subaru powered. A snip:
> I have posted a few words here on the EA-81 in my air camper. I biult my
> reduction drive from plans I purchased from RFI publishing. I am using
a
> single electronic ignition (crane cams XR-700) two 36MM carbs mounted on
a
> simple 90 degree manifold madw up from 1 3/4 inch tubing and 1/4 inch plate.
> I am very pleased with this combination. It started first pull and has
run
> for 114 hours without a single stutter. I did spend a little time getting
> the jetting right but once it was dialed in it realy runs good and gives
me
> great performance. The airplane will be at Broadhead this summer so if
any
> of you are interested drop by and get a ride or just take a look.
>
> Duane Woolsey NX6398
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
taildrags wrote:
> Greetings, 'Lostman'-
>
> You've got an interesting airplane there. Checking the FAA registry on Six-Three-Niner-Eight,
it does not list the engine type, but the photo looks like it's
a Subaru. No sign of a radiator though... just all those ventilation louvers
on the aft side of the cowling. Whatcha got-?
>
> About the elevator cable tension. If your Piet has the stock control cable geometry
(cables pass under the pilot's seat to the walking beam behind the seat,
then individual cables aft to each elevator), the cable tension will never
be the same in both up and down cables and there will always be slack in the cables
at some point in the travel. If you try to take out all the slack, your
controls will bind and the stick will be very stiff in fore-and-aft motion.
>
> There are a couple of things you can look at. First thing is, how are the cables
routed under the rear seat? Plans call for cable guide holes to be bored
through the seat support, but that's pretty crude and most builders either put
small pulleys there or else they provide nylon fairleads for the cables to pass
through. Not essential, but helpful. Next thing is, the elevators ('flippers')
themselves want to sag when the airplane is parked without the engine running,
and just lifting them without any air moving over them can make the stick
a bit heavy when you haul it back on the ground. That force lightens up as
soon as there is propwash or forward motion through the air.
>
> Elevator cable tension: block up the elevators so they're in trail with the horizontal
stabilizer and wiggle the wires. They should not be twangy at all,
but they also shouldn't have much slack with the elevator in that position. At
rest with the flippers down, the top cables on a stock Air Camper will be rubbing
the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer, so not much slack in those
cables. Most builders add some sort of rub strips on the leading edges of the
HS where the top cable runs over it (mine has pinked leather patches glued
on; the leather was cut from a shoe that I found on the side of the road!) The
lower cables will have noticeable slack in them in that condition.
>
> Are you in Utah, or is that the former owner? The FAA registry lists it as being
in Utah, and the reason I ask is because there are Piet builders in just
about every state of the union and you might be near enough to one to have them
drop by your shop and take a look at the cable tension. One standout Piet person
in Utah is Steve Eldredge, who is in the SLC area. Steve's green Air Camper
is the one you see by the Piet listing when you go to the Matronics site.
I guess I should have included what I know about the plane. You mention Steve Eldredge,
he actually flew to Oshkosh with this plane in formation. He is friends
with Duane Woolsey who built the plane. I have been in contact with Duane as
well, very nice gentleman.
The plane is in Utah, that's where I purchased it. It seems Duane sold it to a
man in Indiana who sold it back to a man in Utah. He is the one that had the accident
in it, although there was never any report filed so not much to go on
there. He sold it again to a younger man that only had it for one month before
I purchased it from him. I at least know the full history of the plane as far
as owners go, but no logsbooks at all. They were lost somewhere along the way.
I suspect the gentleman that had the accident in it kept them. Seems he never
throws anything away and can't find anything else that goes with the plane.
I've met and talked with him as well. Sadly I live in New Jersey now so I don't
have a lot of time to work on the plane unless I'm back out in Utah visiting
and working on it.
I realize that due to the geometry the cable tension basically has to be set to
not be too slack yet not too tight. As well as allowing it to move as it should
without too much stick force. When I rigged it back up the elevators would
actually hang up due to the amount of pressure the cables were holding in the
stick. After a little playing with them I set them about as how you describe.
I figure that's about where they needed to be but wanted to get others opinion
on them that have actually flown the plane. Part of the issue with the tension
may be because I didn't like how the cables were routed. You can visibly see
they were routed in such a way that they were chaffing fairly heavily on a wood
brace. I moved them to another location where I feel they wouldn't have that
issue as much. Plus they are not routed through a nylon tubing that will eliminate
damage to the wood.
Yes, the plane has an EA-81 Subaru engine. Duane placarded it at 100 HP, although
I'm not sure it really has that much since he told me he didn't do anything
to the engine other than intake, carbs, redrive and exhaust. In other words,
no internal changes were made. I've dealt with Subaru engines for a long time
and know this model should really only have about 80 HP stock and with dual carbs
and open exhaust maybe produce 90 HP if the prop will allow it to get to it's
peak torque RPM. He said it came from a car that only had around 35,000 miles
so it's relatively just broken in. These are hardy engines for sure! I've
flown behind a few of them and they are very smooth with a belt redrive taking
all prop harmonics out of the equation.
Thanks for the information, just what I was looking for!
--------
I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as well
as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.
As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that will
fly with me.
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
Here's another picture showing the status of the project I picked up. As you can
tell it's a ways from flying condition. In fact it was basically a basket case
that I believe to have most parts to put it back together.
There was some wood damage but nothing that I'd consider to be substantial or that
will keep me from being able to fix it properly and get it flying again...eventually.
It was missing the entire vertical stabilizer although I have no idea where it
went or why it's missing. I built a new one since I do have plans. Luckily that
is one of the few pieces of paper I have and only due to the fact that the last
owner purchased a new set for this specific purpose.
--------
I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as well
as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.
As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that will
fly with me.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463186#463186
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
Was it originally built by Duane Woolsey?=C2-
The cable goint to the elevator will have some slack if built to the drawin
gs. If it's =C2-too tight it will make them feel heavy.
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Lostman<howhypno@hotmail.com> wrote: -
Hello all,
First post here on Matronics. This summer I acquired a once beautiful Piete
npol with some neat history. Sadly it was involved in some sore of accident
but no real story behind it. I was basically a basket case of parts with a
good set of wings and a fuselage that needed some wood repair. Luckily aft
er a very thorough inventory and a lot of time looking over things I found
I have an extremely well built aircraft. It also seems it won an award at O
shkosk in 1999 after attending Brodhead. I'll try to work on posting up a r
ebuild thread later.
However right now I have one very elusive question. How tight should the ri
gging be on the elevator control cables? I've searched all through the site
and all over the internet and haven't found anything. After hooking up all
cables to check over everything I found that the stick is VERY heavy. I lo
osened up the cables some but then I seem to have enough slack that it worr
ies me. However the stick pressure is much better than before. Anyone have
any suggestions for me on this one?
I've attached a picture of what the plane looked like back in 1999. It will
be very similar once rebuilt. Thanks for any suggestions.
Kenneth
--------
I'm an airplane addict. I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, han
g glider and paraglider as well as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. As a CFII/
MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that will fly
with me.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463100#463100
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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WIKI -
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| Subject: | elevator cable tension |
I'd say match the tension on your other Piet. If it's been flying, can't go
wrong there.
Other than that, it's pretty much a "feeling" thing. you don't want them
any tighter than necessary to eliminate any possibility of the elevator
moving independently of the stick. We're talking about from the rocking
beam back to the actual elevator. You'll find it's actually fairly loose.
Prop the elevator up when adjusting or the weight of the elevator will fool
you and create more tension on the upper cable
Douwe
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tension
Are you the guy who was at Old Rhinebeck this past August with the nice homebuilt
teardrop trailer? A lot of this story of the Piet rebuild is sounding familiar.
I was one of the guys who flew up from Virginia in our Piets.
Matt Paxton
NX629MLOn Nov 26, 2016 3:02 PM, Lostman <howhypno@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> taildrags wrote:
> > Greetings, 'Lostman'-
> >
> > You've got an interesting airplane there. Checking the FAA registry on Six-Three-Niner-Eight,
it does not list the engine type, but the photo looks like
it's a Subaru. No sign of a radiator though... just all those ventilation louvers
on the aft side of the cowling. Whatcha got-?
> >
> > About the elevator cable tension. If your Piet has the stock control cable
geometry (cables pass under the pilot's seat to the walking beam behind the seat,
then individual cables aft to each elevator), the cable tension will never
be the same in both up and down cables and there will always be slack in the
cables at some point in the travel. If you try to take out all the slack, your
controls will bind and the stick will be very stiff in fore-and-aft motion.
> >
> > There are a couple of things you can look at. First thing is, how are the cables
routed under the rear seat? Plans call for cable guide holes to be bored
through the seat support, but that's pretty crude and most builders either put
small pulleys there or else they provide nylon fairleads for the cables to pass
through. Not essential, but helpful. Next thing is, the elevators ('flippers')
themselves want to sag when the airplane is parked without the engine running,
and just lifting them without any air moving over them can make the stick
a bit heavy when you haul it back on the ground. That force lightens up as soon
as there is propwash or forward motion through the air.
> >
> > Elevator cable tension: block up the elevators so they're in trail with the
horizontal stabilizer and wiggle the wires. They should not be twangy at all,
but they also shouldn't have much slack with the elevator in that position. At
rest with the flippers down, the top cables on a stock Air Camper will be rubbing
the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer, so not much slack in those
cables. Most builders add some sort of rub strips on the leading edges of the
HS where the top cable runs over it (mine has pinked leather patches glued on;
the leather was cut from a shoe that I found on the side of the road!) The
lower cables will have noticeable slack in them in that condition.
> >
> > Are you in Utah, or is that the former owner? The FAA registry lists it as
being in Utah, and the reason I ask is because there are Piet builders in just
about every state of the union and you might be near enough to one to have them
drop by your shop and take a look at the cable tension. One standout Piet person
in Utah is Steve Eldredge, who is in the SLC area. Steve's green Air Camper
is the one you see by the Piet listing when you go to the Matronics site.
>
>
> I guess I should have included what I know about the plane. You mention Steve
Eldredge, he actually flew to Oshkosh with this plane in formation. He is friends
with Duane Woolsey who built the plane. I have been in contact with Duane
as well, very nice gentleman.
>
> The plane is in Utah, that's where I purchased it. It seems Duane sold it to
a man in Indiana who sold it back to a man in Utah. He is the one that had the
accident in it, although there was never any report filed so not much to go on
there. He sold it again to a younger man that only had it for one month before
I purchased it from him. I at least know the full history of the plane as far
as owners go, but no logsbooks at all. They were lost somewhere along the way.
I suspect the gentleman that had the accident in it kept them. Seems he never
throws anything away and can't find anything else that goes with the plane.
I've met and talked with him as well. Sadly I live in New Jersey now so I don't
have a lot of time to work on the plane unless I'm back out in Utah visiting
and working on it.
>
> I realize that due to the geometry the cable tension basically has to be set
to not be too slack yet not too tight. As well as allowing it to move as it should
without too much stick force. When I rigged it back up the elevators would
actually hang up due to the amount of pressure the cables were holding in the
stick. After a little playing with them I set them about as how you describe.
I figure that's about where they needed to be but wanted to get others opinion
on them that have actually flown the plane. Part of the issue with the tension
may be because I didn't like how the cables were routed. You can visibly see
they were routed in such a way that they were chaffing fairly heavily on a
wood brace. I moved them to another location where I feel they wouldn't have that
issue as much. Plus they are not routed through a nylon tubing that will eliminate
damage to the wood.
>
> Yes, the plane has an EA-81 Subaru engine. Duane placarded it at 100 HP, although
I'm not sure it really has that much since he told me he didn't do anything
to the engine other than intake, carbs, redrive and exhaust. In other words,
no internal changes were made. I've dealt with Subaru engines for a long time
and know this model should really only have about 80 HP stock and with dual
carbs and open exhaust maybe produce 90 HP if the prop will allow it to get to
it's peak torque RPM. He said it came from a car that only had around 35,000
miles so it's relatively just broken in. These are hardy engines for sure! I've
flown behind a few of them and they are very smooth with a belt redrive taking
all prop harmonics out of the equation.
>
> Thanks for the information, just what I was looking for!
>
> --------
> I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as
well as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.
As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that
will fly with me.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463185#463185
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3025_medium_656.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable |
tension
"Lost man",
The paint scheme on your Piet is stolen from mine, although I'm just in the p
rocess of finishing mine! It's amazing how people can steal things like tha
t! Anyway, nice to have a twin Piet around.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:51 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings, 'Lostman'-
>
> You've got an interesting airplane there. Checking the FAA registry on Si
x-Three-Niner-Eight, it does not list the engine type, but the photo looks l
ike it's a Subaru. No sign of a radiator though... just all those ventilati
on louvers on the aft side of the cowling. Whatcha got-?
>
> About the elevator cable tension. If your Piet has the stock control cabl
e geometry (cables pass under the pilot's seat to the walking beam behind th
e seat, then individual cables aft to each elevator), the cable tension will
never be the same in both up and down cables and there will always be slack
in the cables at some point in the travel. If you try to take out all the s
lack, your controls will bind and the stick will be very stiff in fore-and-a
ft motion.
>
> There are a couple of things you can look at. First thing is, how are the
cables routed under the rear seat? Plans call for cable guide holes to be b
ored through the seat support, but that's pretty crude and most builders eit
her put small pulleys there or else they provide nylon fairleads for the cab
les to pass through. Not essential, but helpful. Next thing is, the elevat
ors ('flippers') themselves want to sag when the airplane is parked without t
he engine running, and just lifting them without any air moving over them ca
n make the stick a bit heavy when you haul it back on the ground. That forc
e lightens up as soon as there is propwash or forward motion through the air
.
>
> Elevator cable tension: block up the elevators so they're in trail with th
e horizontal stabilizer and wiggle the wires. They should not be twangy at a
ll, but they also shouldn't have much slack with the elevator in that positi
on. At rest with the flippers down, the top cables on a stock Air Camper wi
ll be rubbing the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer, so not much sla
ck in those cables. Most builders add some sort of rub strips on the leadin
g edges of the HS where the top cable runs over it (mine has pinked leather p
atches glued on; the leather was cut from a shoe that I found on the side of
the road!) The lower cables will have noticeable slack in them in that con
dition.
>
> Are you in Utah, or is that the former owner? The FAA registry lists it a
s being in Utah, and the reason I ask is because there are Piet builders in j
ust about every state of the union and you might be near enough to one to ha
ve them drop by your shop and take a look at the cable tension. One standou
t Piet person in Utah is Steve Eldredge, who is in the SLC area. Steve's gr
een Air Camper is the one you see by the Piet listing when you go to the Mat
ronics site.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463183#463183
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[quote="Ray Krause"]"Lost man",
The paint scheme on your Piet is stolen from mine, although I'm just in the process
of finishing mine! It's amazing how people can steal things like that! Anyway,
nice to have a twin Piet around.
Ray Krause
That paint scheme is very close to what mine had on it. In fact I will be going
all red on the turtle deck when it's finished as well. Wish the picture was upside
down but it appears to be a nice Scout.
How far along are you now? Is it flying?
Kenneth
--------
I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as well
as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.
As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that will
fly with me.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463193#463193
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| Subject: | Re: elevator cable tension |
douwe(at)douwestudios.com wrote:
> Id say match the tension on your other Piet. If its been flying, cant go wrong
there.
>
> Other than that, its pretty much a feeling thing. you dont want them any tighter
than necessary to eliminate any possibility of the elevator moving independently
of the stick. Were talking about from the rocking beam back to the actual
elevator. Youll find its actually fairly loose. Prop the elevator up when
adjusting or the weight of the elevator will fool you and create more tension
on the upper cable
>
> Douwe
I kind of figured that's what I needed to do. I do appreciate the confirmation
though. That's pretty much where I have the tension set now.
Not sure what you mean by matching it on my "other" Piet since this is my only
one. Maybe this post isn't in response to my question though. Either way, thanks.
Kenneth
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I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as well
as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.
As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that will
fly with me.
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
Yes this one was built by Duane Woosley. I've talked to and met with him about
this aircraft as well. Nice gentleman and fine builder.
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I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as well
as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.
As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that will
fly with me.
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable |
tension
Kenneth,
Sorry the picture was upside down, I'm not sure how that works? It was right when
I sent it and right when I received it, must be the Ghosts of Christmas!
Yes, it is a SkyScout with a new rebuilt A-65. Its about ready to go, just need
to do some paperwork, get the numbers on her and get the final inspection. All
the controls are working nicely, engines runs great, just minor things like
safety wire for the turnbuckles, cotter pins in castle nuts, etc. and it will
fly this Spring, if not before. I will have to do some taxi tests and bone up
on wheel landings in the Aeronca! Too bad you are not in CA.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Lostman <howhypno@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> [quote="Ray Krause"]"Lost man",
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> The paint scheme on your Piet is stolen from mine, although I'm just in the process
of finishing mine! It's amazing how people can steal things like that!
Anyway, nice to have a twin Piet around.
>
> Ray Krause
>
> That paint scheme is very close to what mine had on it. In fact I will be going
all red on the turtle deck when it's finished as well. Wish the picture was
upside down but it appears to be a nice Scout.
>
> How far along are you now? Is it flying?
>
> Kenneth
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well as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.
As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that
will fly with me.
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
Kenneth;
If you'll notice the tail surfaces of Ray's Scout (picture it rightside up), notice
that the flippers hang down when the airplane is parked, and that the top
elevator cables contact the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. Similarly,
notice that there is slack (a slight belly) in the lower cables. This is
pretty much what things should look like back there.
By the way, in case you weren't already aware of this resource, there is an absolute gold mine of Piet pictures and information on Chris Tracy's website, http://www.westcoastpiet.com . You can spend hours looking at pictures of every aspect of an Air Camper from first cutting of wood to Oshkosh trophy, and everything in between. Might save you some time when you are wondering how other builders have done something that you're thinking about. If you want to start with one of the best, go to Pictures, then Mike Cuy's pictures, then just go through them one by one and learn as you admire.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Steel Fuselage |
im building a steel tuber. happy to answer any questions. definitely a little on
your own when choosing to build a steel tube. you can email me directly. pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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