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0. 09:49 AM - Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:46 AM - sky scout vs Air Camper (Steven Dortch)
2. 07:14 AM - Re: Sky Scout (iowaboy)
3. 08:10 AM - Re: Sky Scout (Steven Dortch)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Sky Scout ((null) raykrause)
5. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Sky Scout (Glen Schweizer)
6. 11:03 AM - Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension (DonkDoug)
7. 12:20 PM - Re: Sky Scout (AircamperN11MS)
8. 07:18 PM - Re: Sky Scout (iowaboy)
9. 07:19 PM - Re: sky scout vs Air Camper (iowaboy)
10. 07:21 PM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol flies ! (iowaboy)
11. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Sky Scout ((null) raykrause)
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| Subject: | Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... |
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| Subject: | sky scout vs Air Camper |
Mike, I agree with Oscar (man, I am swallowing my pride). Take a good look
at the Air Camper.
Taking someone up flying is one of the great joys of flying for me.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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taildrags wrote:
> Mike; I'm curious to know why you've decided on the 1-place Sky Scout over the
2-place Air Camper? Performance is about the same, construction is about the
same (give or take one set of controls), cost to build and operate will be about
the same. Not criticizing your decision... just wondering. Welcome to the
list!
Well I could get my wife to agree on this one. I don't know that any of my family
is interested in flying in an airplane I would build....I have considered
the Air Camper and do have plans for it too. I may change my mind?? I was looking
for a very simple to build airplane that is not hot to fly, and fun open
cockpit. Thanks for asking.
I weight 220-225 lbs and am 5' 9" tall. Chad Willie hinted that I might weigh
to much for the Scout to get the CG right...What do all of you know about heavier
pilots and Piet airplanes??
Thanks
Mike
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Serve the Lord with gladness,
Mike
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Mike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when the
average size was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170
and now the FAA says an average male is 191.
The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camper
has about a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The list
even has a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat Air
Camper.
You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modifications
for bigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is not
overly large.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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The Scout was designed for the Model T engine which produced about 25 HP. It's
a real hot rod with 65 HP, so I've been told! I think Scott Liefeld has flown
at least one of them. He might comment. And I think he's a little larger than
170 lbs? Sorry Scott, my memory might be failing a little!
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when the average
size was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170 and now the FAA
says an average male is 191.
>
> The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camper has
about a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The list even
has a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat Air Camper.
>
>
> You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modifications for
bigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is not overly large.
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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I'm building Chad willie's biplane version(originally a field mod). I widened my
fus to 30". It'll have about 250square feet of wing surface. Lift,anyone?additional
fus and center section weight penalty about 7pounds
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when the average
size was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170 and now the FAA
says an average male is 191.
>
> The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camper has
about a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The list even
has a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat Air Camper.
>
>
> You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modifications for
bigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is not overly large.
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
Thanks Ray.
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Mike,
Ray is correct. I have flown both the "T" and "A" powered Scouts. I probably
weighed about 190 lbs when I did fly them. The "A" flew very nicely and was like
a sports car. The "T" was very under-powered and I didn't get more than about
20' AGL since I took off from about 2850' MSL. The "T" flew like it was
tail heavy. The "A" was balanced perfectly.
It was 20 years ago. I weighed as much as 232 lbs flying my Cont. powered Aircamper.
This is not a problem. I have since lost 40 lbs and back down to the
190 lb range again. My plane is much happier now.
Ray could probably give you the best pilot weight range since he has completed
the most recent SkyScout. Yes Ray, I just threw you under the same bus. We may
as well stick together.
Conclusion here is that you should pay very close attention and build a light airplane.
Forrest Lovely mentioned the other day that the "A" powered Piet weighed
593 lbs after he rebuilt it. This is the one I flew. You can probably build
a Scout to work with your pilot weight. Just compute the CG multiple times
during the build process.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Thanks guys for the great advice!
Mike
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Serve the Lord with gladness,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: sky scout vs Air Camper |
Thanks Steve...I am thinking about it hard.
Mike Townsley
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Serve the Lord with gladness,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Patricia's Pietenpol flies ! |
Way to go...looks great!
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Serve the Lord with gladness,
Mike
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Mike,
I got two of the jury struts on today, but lost a couple fittings for the other
two? Maybe my wife hid them? It's amazing what I can lose over a three year build
time! It pays to build faster, or be more organized.
I hope to have some CG numbers within a week, or so. Now that my "friend" , Scott,
threw it on my shoulders! Maybe he will have to confirm my numbers before
I publish them? Scott is the EAA Councilor for the Pietenpols. He has inspected
mine once and gave me a few pointers that I followed. He is a real source
of great information on all things Pietenpol. When he speaks, we should all listen.
He has test flown several Pietenpols for builders, if I remember correctly.
Stay tuned,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:20 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> Mike,
>
> Ray is correct. I have flown both the "T" and "A" powered Scouts. I probably
weighed about 190 lbs when I did fly them. The "A" flew very nicely and was
like a sports car. The "T" was very under-powered and I didn't get more than
about 20' AGL since I took off from about 2850' MSL. The "T" flew like it was
tail heavy. The "A" was balanced perfectly.
>
> It was 20 years ago. I weighed as much as 232 lbs flying my Cont. powered Aircamper.
This is not a problem. I have since lost 40 lbs and back down to the
190 lb range again. My plane is much happier now.
>
> Ray could probably give you the best pilot weight range since he has completed
the most recent SkyScout. Yes Ray, I just threw you under the same bus. We
may as well stick together.
>
> Conclusion here is that you should pay very close attention and build a light
airplane. Forrest Lovely mentioned the other day that the "A" powered Piet weighed
593 lbs after he rebuilt it. This is the one I flew. You can probably
build a Scout to work with your pilot weight. Just compute the CG multiple times
during the build process.
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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