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1. 07:14 AM - Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing? (gbrasch)
2. 08:31 AM - Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very Important (taildrags)
3. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very Important (Steven Dortch)
4. 02:18 PM - Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very Important (TriScout)
5. 02:26 PM - Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very Important (tkreiner)
6. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very Important (John Cox)
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| Subject: | Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing? |
IMPORTANT! If you are a user of the app version of Airport Courtesy Cars, please
view it for an important message about the possible closure of the app, or view
the page here:
https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/app-status.html
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
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| Subject: | Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very Important |
There have been some outstanding, beautiful Air Campers built and featured over
the years where the builder has elected to use period (1920-30s) tools and materials
to build the airplane. Resorcinol glue, hard wire tail braces with wound-wire
ferrules, babbitt bearings, brazed tubing connections, wrapped and soldered
aircraft cable ends, doped cotton fabric, old steam gauges. Where do we
draw the line, knowing that there are more modern, better, more reliable, and
certainly more easily obtainable materials and methods available to us? Well,
as Keri Ann points out, it's the builder's choice.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very |
Important
IT IS the builder's choice. But I would recommend making some updates for
safety. IE shoulder harnesses, Flexible fuel lines, Pad Sharp edges in the
cockpit, ETC. Even those who judge antique aircraft usually don't ding the
builder for adding safety.
Y'all Be safe out there!
Steve D.
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| Subject: | Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very Important |
How about airbags? Back when I first bought/assembled my GN-1, I talked to a mechanic
about getting it annualed and signed off. He said that he can do that and
also have airbags (just like cars have) installed in my plane. Then he asked
if I have the maintenance manual for the plane. That's when I made like a tree
and got out of there. He was accustomed to working on late model Beech products.
The first red flag was that his shop was too clean and shiny.
Larry
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
Slick 4330's
AN Hardware
Airframe 778TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very Important |
It will be interesting to see whether the final NTSB report will mention anything
about the engine mounts, and or subsequent damage to the firewall-forward portion
of the aircraft. We already know the engine is (or was) an Hispano-Suiza
E-2, which weighed roughly 450 lbs, excluding the the radiator, and perhaps
additional accessories.
The propeller was a St. Croix, vintage unknown, however, as stated, was made of
laminated oak. Since pictures of the exact prop are difficult to find, only
an estimate can be made as to exact configuration of the prop, whether it had
straight blades, or scimitars. With an 8'3" length, losing roughly 3 feet of
blade was catastrophic. Three feet of 6" wide Oak by 1" thick - representative
of the section that separated (give or take), would have weighed roughly 7 lbs.
During takeoff, the engine would have been turning the full rated 1800 rpm (30
rps), and due to the instantaneous imbalance when the prop separated, the vibratory
forces would have ripped apart all firewall forward components, including
engine mounts, and ALL connections to the engine.
Would flexible tubing have held under those circumstances?
With the degree of imbalance, I doubt any form of light weight tubing, whether
solid or flexible, would have held for longer than a few seconds. At 30 rps,
shutting down the engine in time to prevent any damage at all would have been
improbable...
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Please Read - This Is Safety Related And Is Very |
Important
Tom, it remains amazing to me how many people begin with "facts" pertinent
to an ongoing and active FAA/NTSB investigation. My efforts found the
report to be ERA17FA050. Few things stood out.
Years ago I became impressed with the Alexander Build Center and the Sport
Aviation Workshops that Ron did so much for. I consider myself a personal
friend of the manufacturer of the referenced propeller (now under
investigation). I am going to hold judgment. Much has been said about
rigid lines, to build or not to build to Original Standards and the results
which come from such personal decisions. Who more experienced that Ron and
his Front Seat Passenger to confirm the airworthiness (or Safety for
Flight) than these two experienced technicians and pilots.
Questions that I have were who was the FAA Safety Inspector in the Front
Seat (I don't need to know but he sure had lots of experience), the timing
of the accident 1809 hours (hopefully GMT) and not after sunset in
Georgia. Ron's exceptional workmanship and the 2013 Complete Restoration
should be important. Was this prop a Pietenpol 8'3" brought over by
someone for the specific Jenny JN4D with Hispano-Suiza E-2 engine? When
the copper leading edge was repaired on the prop, who was the last to do
such work?
I have lost one close friend to a fatal bad weld on his wing strut.
Several friends who chose to use Red RTV on the fuel line fittings of a
Vans aircraft and then that aircraft was lost here in Oregon.
Significant accidents like this remind me to be patient and to wait for the
Facts and the final release of report. Guesses and Monday Morning
quarterbacking does little more than to remind everyone that choices carry
responsibility and significant Risk. From the George Lucas movie *"Choose
Wisely"*. Burt Rutan says "Question everything don't ever try to justify
any action" - keep improving.
Prayers to Mr. Anderson's family and to the FAA Safety Inspector's too. Oh
what a heartfelt loss.
John Cox on the Left Coast
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:26 PM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It will be interesting to see whether the final NTSB report will mention
> anything about the engine mounts, and or subsequent damage to the
> firewall-forward portion of the aircraft. We already know the engine is
> (or was) an Hispano-Suiza E-2, which weighed roughly 450 lbs, excluding the
> the radiator, and perhaps additional accessories.
>
> The propeller was a St. Croix, vintage unknown, however, as stated, was
> made of laminated oak. Since pictures of the exact prop are difficult to
> find, only an estimate can be made as to exact configuration of the prop,
> whether it had straight blades, or scimitars. With an 8'3" length, losing
> roughly 3 feet of blade was catastrophic. Three feet of 6" wide Oak by 1"
> thick - representative of the section that separated (give or take), would
> have weighed roughly 7 lbs.
>
> During takeoff, the engine would have been turning the full rated 1800 rpm
> (30 rps), and due to the instantaneous imbalance when the prop separated,
> the vibratory forces would have ripped apart all firewall forward
> components, including engine mounts, and ALL connections to the engine.
>
> Would flexible tubing have held under those circumstances?
>
> With the degree of imbalance, I doubt any form of light weight tubing,
> whether solid or flexible, would have held for longer than a few seconds.
> At 30 rps, shutting down the engine in time to prevent any damage at all
> would have been improbable...
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464041#464041
>
>
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