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1. 11:43 AM - Fw: plane (Decou, Norman)
2. 12:58 PM - Re: Fw: plane (Ned Lebens)
3. 01:15 PM - Re: Fw: plane (Hans van der Voort)
4. 02:03 PM - Re: Fw: plane (normdecou@aol.com)
5. 02:27 PM - Re: Fw: plane (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 05:14 PM - Re: plane (tkreiner)
7. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: plane (normdecou@aol.com)
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I am currently attaching my fuselage sides. I have checked and rechecked m
y dimensions. As the pictures show, I have an irregular bow inward at the
2nd station from the back.
I am using the long fuselage plans.
The dimensions I am using measured from the tail are
1st strut 19.125" from the end of the tail 7 " across
2nd strut 41.5" from the end of the tail 11" across
3rd strut 68.375" from the end of the tail 17" across
4th strut 95.5`` from the end of the tail 22`` across
Plan dimensions for the sides are 19.375-------19.375 total
22.500-------41
.875 total
27.000-------68
.875 total
27.250-------96
.125 total
I recognize that there are slight differences between my dimensions and the
fuselage side dimensions. I believe that some of this is due to the curve
at the tail effectively reducing the length when the sides.
I just need to know if someone can identify my error.
I don`t want to arbitrarily change plan dimensions but I do not believe thi
s bow is intended to be there.
Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated,
Norm
________________________________
III
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Hi Norm,
I used the plans width dimensions from the firewall to the pilot's seat
back. Aft of there, I do recall some discrepancies between the plans and
the natural bow my fuse wanted to take, as I pulled the tail together.
Here is what I've measured on my fuse:
Distance forward from tail post and width taken at outside edges of
longerons:
19-3/8" 5-5/8"
41-7/8" 11-1/8"
68-7/8" 17-5/16"
94-1/8" 21-3/4"
Note that I have angled the top of the pilot's seat back 2" beyond the
plans, so this probably had some small effect on the aft stations. I
suggest fixing the 68-7/8" station width where you want it and then pull
the tail together. Cut the rest to fit.
Regards,
Ned
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It has been a while since I build mine.but I do recall that I just made the
tail piece look right.Just made it a natural bow to the tail post, without
trying to scale=C2-to the plans.And avoiding=C2-any=C2-reverse bow.
Hans
NX15KV, Waller, TX
From: "Decou, Norman" <norman.decou@ucdsb.on.ca>
To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 1:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: plane
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I am currently attaching my fuselage sides.=C2- I have checked and rechec
ked my dimensions.=C2- As the pictures show, I have an irregular bow inwa
rd at the 2nd station from the back.=C2-
I am using the long fuselage plans.The dimensions I am using measured from
the tail are1st strut 19.125" from the end of the=C2- tail 7 " across2nd
strut 41.5" from the end of the tail 11" across3rd strut 68.375" from the e
nd of the tail 17" across4th strut 95.5`` from the end of the tail 22`` acr
ossPlan dimensions for the sides are 19.375-------19.375 total=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 22.500-------41.875 total=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 27.000-------68.875 total
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 27.250-------96.125
totalI recognize that there are slight differences between my dimensions an
d the fuselage side dimensions.=C2- I believe that some of this is due to
the curve at the tail effectively reducing the length when the sides.=C2
-
I just need to know if someone can identify my error.
I don`t want to arbitrarily change plan dimensions but I do not believe thi
s bow is intended to be there.
Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated,Norm
III
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Thanks Ned,
I thought the natural bend would be okay.
I wanted to make sure that altering the bend would not reduce the strength of the
tail.
Thanks again
Norm
Adrienne
---- Original Message ----
From: Ned Lebens <nlebens@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: plane
Hi Norm,
I used the plans width dimensions from the firewall to the pilot's seat back.
Aft of there, I do recall some discrepancies between the plans and the natural
bow my fuse wanted to take, as I pulled the tail together. Here is what I've
measured on my fuse:
Distance forward from tail post and width taken at outside edges of longerons:
19-3/8" 5-5/8"
41-7/8" 11-1/8"
68-7/8" 17-5/16"
94-1/8" 21-3/4"
Note that I have angled the top of the pilot's seat back 2" beyond the plans, so
this probably had some small effect on the aft stations. I suggest fixing the
68-7/8" station width where you want it and then pull the tail together. Cut
the rest to fit.
Regards,
Ned
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Hi Ned,
I don't normally advocate many deviations from the plans, but my aching back and
legs (from two trips up and back from Brodhead) concur with your decision to
lean the seat back.
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ned Lebens <nlebens@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 01:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: plane
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<div class="aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr">Hi Norm,
<div>I used the plans width dimensions from the firewall to the pilot's seat back.
Aft of there, I do recall some discrepancies between the plans and the natural
bow my fuse wanted to take, as I pulled the tail together. Here is what
I've measured on my fuse:
Distance forward from tail post and width taken at outside edges of longerons:
19-3/8" 5-5/8"
41-7/8" 11-1/8"
68-7/8" 17-5/16"
94-1/8" 21-3/4"
Note that I have angled the top of the pilot's seat back 2" beyond the plans, so
this probably had some small effect on the aft stations. I suggest fixing the
68-7/8" station width where you want it and then pull the tail together. Cut
the rest to fit.
Regards,
Ned</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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Norm,
From your fourth photo it appears that you have not begun to thin down the tail
post. Before you glue anything up and have a curve you might want to cut the
til post and make sure everything fits properly prior to actually gluing and
clampIng.
Just saying
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Tom Kreiner
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Hi Tom,
I spent part of the day today fitting the tail.
Thank for the advice,
Norm
Tom Kreiner
Adrienne
---- Original Message ----
From: tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 8:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plane
Norm,
From your fourth photo it appears that you have not begun to thin down the tail
post. Before you glue anything up and have a curve you might want to cut the
til post and make sure everything fits properly prior to actually gluing and
clampIng.
Just saying
--------
Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464631#464631
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