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Mon 01/02/17


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 11:43 AM - Fw: plane  (Decou, Norman)
     2. 12:58 PM - Re: Fw: plane (Ned Lebens)
     3. 01:15 PM - Re: Fw: plane (Hans van der Voort)
     4. 02:03 PM - Re: Fw: plane (normdecou@aol.com)
     5. 02:27 PM - Re: Fw: plane (helspersew@aol.com)
     6. 05:14 PM - Re: plane (tkreiner)
     7. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: plane (normdecou@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 11:43:36 AM PST US
    From: "Decou, Norman" <norman.decou@ucdsb.on.ca>
    Subject: Fw: plane
    I am currently attaching my fuselage sides. I have checked and rechecked m y dimensions. As the pictures show, I have an irregular bow inward at the 2nd station from the back. I am using the long fuselage plans. The dimensions I am using measured from the tail are 1st strut 19.125" from the end of the tail 7 " across 2nd strut 41.5" from the end of the tail 11" across 3rd strut 68.375" from the end of the tail 17" across 4th strut 95.5`` from the end of the tail 22`` across Plan dimensions for the sides are 19.375-------19.375 total 22.500-------41 .875 total 27.000-------68 .875 total 27.250-------96 .125 total I recognize that there are slight differences between my dimensions and the fuselage side dimensions. I believe that some of this is due to the curve at the tail effectively reducing the length when the sides. I just need to know if someone can identify my error. I don`t want to arbitrarily change plan dimensions but I do not believe thi s bow is intended to be there. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, Norm ________________________________ III


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    Time: 12:58:17 PM PST US
    From: Ned Lebens <nlebens@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: plane
    Hi Norm, I used the plans width dimensions from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. Aft of there, I do recall some discrepancies between the plans and the natural bow my fuse wanted to take, as I pulled the tail together. Here is what I've measured on my fuse: Distance forward from tail post and width taken at outside edges of longerons: 19-3/8" 5-5/8" 41-7/8" 11-1/8" 68-7/8" 17-5/16" 94-1/8" 21-3/4" Note that I have angled the top of the pilot's seat back 2" beyond the plans, so this probably had some small effect on the aft stations. I suggest fixing the 68-7/8" station width where you want it and then pull the tail together. Cut the rest to fit. Regards, Ned


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    Time: 01:15:33 PM PST US
    From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: plane
    It has been a while since I build mine.but I do recall that I just made the tail piece look right.Just made it a natural bow to the tail post, without trying to scale=C2-to the plans.And avoiding=C2-any=C2-reverse bow. Hans NX15KV, Waller, TX From: "Decou, Norman" <norman.decou@ucdsb.on.ca> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 1:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: plane <!--#yiv0889097397 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}--> I am currently attaching my fuselage sides.=C2- I have checked and rechec ked my dimensions.=C2- As the pictures show, I have an irregular bow inwa rd at the 2nd station from the back.=C2- I am using the long fuselage plans.The dimensions I am using measured from the tail are1st strut 19.125" from the end of the=C2- tail 7 " across2nd strut 41.5" from the end of the tail 11" across3rd strut 68.375" from the e nd of the tail 17" across4th strut 95.5`` from the end of the tail 22`` acr ossPlan dimensions for the sides are 19.375-------19.375 total=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 22.500-------41.875 total=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 27.000-------68.875 total =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 27.250-------96.125 totalI recognize that there are slight differences between my dimensions an d the fuselage side dimensions.=C2- I believe that some of this is due to the curve at the tail effectively reducing the length when the sides.=C2 - I just need to know if someone can identify my error. I don`t want to arbitrarily change plan dimensions but I do not believe thi s bow is intended to be there. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated,Norm III


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    Time: 02:03:12 PM PST US
    From: normdecou@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Fw: plane
    Thanks Ned, I thought the natural bend would be okay. I wanted to make sure that altering the bend would not reduce the strength of the tail. Thanks again Norm Adrienne ---- Original Message ---- From: Ned Lebens <nlebens@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 3:58 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: plane Hi Norm, I used the plans width dimensions from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. Aft of there, I do recall some discrepancies between the plans and the natural bow my fuse wanted to take, as I pulled the tail together. Here is what I've measured on my fuse: Distance forward from tail post and width taken at outside edges of longerons: 19-3/8" 5-5/8" 41-7/8" 11-1/8" 68-7/8" 17-5/16" 94-1/8" 21-3/4" Note that I have angled the top of the pilot's seat back 2" beyond the plans, so this probably had some small effect on the aft stations. I suggest fixing the 68-7/8" station width where you want it and then pull the tail together. Cut the rest to fit. Regards, Ned


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    Time: 02:27:55 PM PST US
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Fw: plane
    Hi Ned, I don't normally advocate many deviations from the plans, but my aching back and legs (from two trips up and back from Brodhead) concur with your decision to lean the seat back. Dan Helsper Loensloe Airfield Puryear, TN Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: Ned Lebens <nlebens@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 01:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: plane <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_67f8d1dc-1be6-48f1-a0b7-bcac42e694da"> <div class="aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr">Hi Norm, <div>I used the plans width dimensions from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. Aft of there, I do recall some discrepancies between the plans and the natural bow my fuse wanted to take, as I pulled the tail together. Here is what I've measured on my fuse: Distance forward from tail post and width taken at outside edges of longerons: 19-3/8" 5-5/8" 41-7/8" 11-1/8" 68-7/8" 17-5/16" 94-1/8" 21-3/4" Note that I have angled the top of the pilot's seat back 2" beyond the plans, so this probably had some small effect on the aft stations. I suggest fixing the 68-7/8" station width where you want it and then pull the tail together. Cut the rest to fit. Regards, Ned</div> </div> </div> </div>


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    Time: 05:14:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: plane
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    Norm, From your fourth photo it appears that you have not begun to thin down the tail post. Before you glue anything up and have a curve you might want to cut the til post and make sure everything fits properly prior to actually gluing and clampIng. Just saying -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464631#464631


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    Time: 07:39:48 PM PST US
    From: normdecou@aol.com
    Subject: Re: plane
    Hi Tom, I spent part of the day today fitting the tail. Thank for the advice, Norm Tom Kreiner Adrienne ---- Original Message ---- From: tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 8:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plane Norm, From your fourth photo it appears that you have not begun to thin down the tail post. Before you glue anything up and have a curve you might want to cut the til post and make sure everything fits properly prior to actually gluing and clampIng. Just saying -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464631#464631




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