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3. 03:44 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbell)
4. 04:02 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Scott Knowlton)
5. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Steven Dortch)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
I am 69 and calculated 5/8" port offset for my C90 engine. Have to finish
the airplane to see how it works out.
Semih
Ps. I still remember a lot of trig and other things.=8B
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> 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbel
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> 2. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbel
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> 3. 07:48 AM - Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (jarheadpilot82)
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> Time: 04:15:56 AM PST US
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
>
> Oscar, why not make you some new L-shaped brackets to go on the top rear
of
> the vertical stabilizer and twist them the correct number of degrees. Th
at
> way the vertical piece in the stabilizer would not be twisted at all.
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote
:
>
> >
> > So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on
> it
> > as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applyi
ng
> > left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> > rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> > rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard an
d
> > bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> > counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
> >
> > So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
> to
> > get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> > that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing
'
> > the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplan
e,
> > which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction
> from
> > the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small
> rudder
> > trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried
> about
> > twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
> >
> > There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 04:31:57 AM PST US
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
>
> Oscar, I just drew a diagram and did a bit of trig. The angle yopu would
> have to twist the vertical brackets would be 1.4 degrees. Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote
:
>
> >
> > So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on
> it
> > as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applyi
ng
> > left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> > rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> > rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard an
d
> > bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> > counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
> >
> > So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
> to
> > get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> > that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing
'
> > the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplan
e,
> > which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction
> from
> > the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small
> rudder
> > trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried
> about
> > twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
> >
> > There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
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> Time: 07:48:47 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
> From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>
> Chuck,
>
> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
> much less
> do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up. But bei
ng
> a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow up, that
> is.)
> [Wink] [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
I am 69 and calculated 5/8" port offset for my C90 engine. Have to finish
the airplane to see how it works out.
Semih
Ps. I still remember a lot of trig and other things.=8B
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> 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbel
l)
> 2. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbel
l)
> 3. 07:48 AM - Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (jarheadpilot82)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 04:15:56 AM PST US
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
>
> Oscar, why not make you some new L-shaped brackets to go on the top rear
of
> the vertical stabilizer and twist them the correct number of degrees. Th
at
> way the vertical piece in the stabilizer would not be twisted at all.
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote
:
>
> >
> > So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on
> it
> > as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applyi
ng
> > left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> > rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> > rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard an
d
> > bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> > counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
> >
> > So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
> to
> > get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> > that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing
'
> > the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplan
e,
> > which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction
> from
> > the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small
> rudder
> > trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried
> about
> > twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
> >
> > There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:31:57 AM PST US
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
>
> Oscar, I just drew a diagram and did a bit of trig. The angle yopu would
> have to twist the vertical brackets would be 1.4 degrees. Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote
:
>
> >
> > So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on
> it
> > as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applyi
ng
> > left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> > rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> > rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard an
d
> > bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> > counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
> >
> > So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
> to
> > get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> > that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing
'
> > the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplan
e,
> > which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction
> from
> > the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small
> rudder
> > trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried
> about
> > twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
> >
> > There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:48:47 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
> From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>
> Chuck,
>
> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
> much less
> do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up. But bei
ng
> a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow up, that
> is.)
> [Wink] [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Terry, if the Lord lets me live another month (Feb. 18), I'll be 93. I'm
six months older than George Bush senior. George has the honor of being
the youngest person to have finished Navy flight school. Before he came
along, I had that honor. I finished Flight school in Corpus Cristi, Tex on
September 8, 1943, at the ripe old age of 19.
My Piet is almost finished. As soon as I figure how to run the throttle
and mixture control lines and do it, I'll cover the fuselage, paint it,
install the metal fire wall, and put it all together. The wing panels and
tail surfaces (the tail surfaces and ailerons still need paint) are ready
to be bolted on. I'll send some pictures if anyone is interested.
Chuck
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com
> wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>
> Chuck,
>
> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
> much less do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up.
> But being a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow
> up, that is.) [Wink] [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Please post some pictures Charles
Scott K
On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Charles N. Campbell <charlescampbell1924@gmail
.com<mailto:charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>> wrote:
Terry, if the Lord lets me live another month (Feb. 18), I'll be 93. I'm s
ix months older than George Bush senior. George has the honor of being the
youngest person to have finished Navy flight school. Before he came along
, I had that honor. I finished Flight school in Corpus Cristi, Tex on Sept
ember 8, 1943, at the ripe old age of 19.
My Piet is almost finished. As soon as I figure how to run the throttle an
d mixture control lines and do it, I'll cover the fuselage, paint it, insta
ll the metal fire wall, and put it all together. The wing panels and tail
surfaces (the tail surfaces and ailerons still need paint) are ready to be
bolted on. I'll send some pictures if anyone is interested.
Chuck
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.co
m<mailto:jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>> wrote:
ail.com<mailto:jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>>
Oscar,
Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
Chuck,
Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig, muc
h less do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up. Bu
t being a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow up
, that is.) [Wink] [Laughing]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Chuck, where are you? I am in San Antonio and will be unable to work on
anything due to a wing surgery (mine not a planes) I might want to come
take a look.
Yes send pics and include one of the young cadet. I'll bet you were young
and pretty.
Don't give up on the airline pilot dream. There is a huge pilot shortage
and perhaps you can get a waiver! (LOL)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Please post some pictures Charles
>
> Scott K
>
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Charles N. Campbell <
> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Terry, if the Lord lets me live another month (Feb. 18), I'll be 93. I'm
> six months older than George Bush senior. George has the honor of being
> the youngest person to have finished Navy flight school. Before he came
> along, I had that honor. I finished Flight school in Corpus Cristi, Tex on
> September 8, 1943, at the ripe old age of 19.
>
> My Piet is almost finished. As soon as I figure how to run the throttle
> and mixture control lines and do it, I'll cover the fuselage, paint it,
> install the metal fire wall, and put it all together. The wing panels and
> tail surfaces (the tail surfaces and ailerons still need paint) are ready
> to be bolted on. I'll send some pictures if anyone is interested.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM, jarheadpilot82 <
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
>> much less do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up.
>> But being a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow
>> up, that is.) [Wink] [Laughing]
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>>
>>
>>
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