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1. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Long fuselage and Model A (JERRY)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: Re: Long fuselage and Model A (JERRY)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbell)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Spring Landing Gear designs (Charles N. Campbell)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Spring Landing Gear designs (jarheadpilot82)
6. 06:40 AM - Re: My measuring mistake (Pocono John)
7. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Steven Dortch)
8. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbell)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Steven Dortch)
10. 08:02 PM - Re: Long fuselage and Model A (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
Thanks Oscar for the info. I am more thinking I might be tail heavy. I am
just going through the entire airplane and fixing and making sure everything
is airworthy. The airplane came with the old plans and I do not have the
long fuse plans. It had an O290 GPU up front. I think a model A or B will
work. I will have the option to adjust the wing forward if needed. I guess I
just need to get everything mounted and weigh it and do the math.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 9:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long fuselage and Model A
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Jerry; to answer your question, I have not done this so, my comments are
general only. My airplane has a Continental A75 up front.
The original Air Camper had the water-cooled Ford "A" engine up front and
had the shortest length fuselage of the common variants. Many have noted
that more modern Air Campers have tended to be tail-heavy, and no doubt some
of that is due to extending the fuselage aft of the firewall by stretching
the cockpits or extending the empennage. You say you are rebuilding a
long-fuse Piet, so are you actually reworking the fuselage or are you just
thinking about the motor mounts and things that are ahead of the firewall?
I think your starting point should be to research what the weight of the
conventional Ford "A" engine conversion is, including radiator and coolant
system, and use that as your basis for comparison. It sounds like you may
want to keep your firewall-forward package at least as heavy as the
original, and think about where it's going to mount.
The standard Air Camper has cabane struts that pivot at both ends, which
allows the wing to be shifted aft to correct (or adjust) an aft CG, but only
within limits.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
I ment to say nose heavy
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 6:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long fuselage and Model A
Thanks Oscar for the info. I am more thinking I might be tail heavy. I am
just going through the entire airplane and fixing and making sure everything
is airworthy. The airplane came with the old plans and I do not have the
long fuse plans. It had an O290 GPU up front. I think a model A or B will
work. I will have the option to adjust the wing forward if needed. I guess I
just need to get everything mounted and weigh it and do the math.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 9:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long fuselage and Model A
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Jerry; to answer your question, I have not done this so, my comments are
general only. My airplane has a Continental A75 up front.
The original Air Camper had the water-cooled Ford "A" engine up front and
had the shortest length fuselage of the common variants. Many have noted
that more modern Air Campers have tended to be tail-heavy, and no doubt some
of that is due to extending the fuselage aft of the firewall by stretching
the cockpits or extending the empennage. You say you are rebuilding a
long-fuse Piet, so are you actually reworking the fuselage or are you just
thinking about the motor mounts and things that are ahead of the firewall?
I think your starting point should be to research what the weight of the
conventional Ford "A" engine conversion is, including radiator and coolant
system, and use that as your basis for comparison. It sounds like you may
want to keep your firewall-forward package at least as heavy as the
original, and think about where it's going to mount.
The standard Air Camper has cabane struts that pivot at both ends, which
allows the wing to be shifted aft to correct (or adjust) an aft CG, but only
within limits.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Oscar, I just hope my Piet gets flown before I pass to the great
hereafter! I think I'll make it, but then there is a possibility that I
won't. Chuck
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:52 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new
> rear L-brackets for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness"
> ;o) Yes, I could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist
> without worrying about the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle
> of rotation sounds insignificant, but when you push the leading edge of the
> VS over and watch the rear spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up,
> you start thinking about the glue joints and everything else, and I didn't
> like the feeling as I pushed it over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
>
> By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this
> year (I believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man
> than you... he was only 80 ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465322#465322
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
Terry, I clicked on each of the attachments and the matronics listing and
got a 'article does not exist' on all four items. Anyone else have any
success? Chuck
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Ben,
>
> I had posted this on the Pietvair forum a while back. But since you are
> unable to see that, I am sharing here. The spring shown is the one I used,
> and it is a good bit cheaper than what can be found elsewhere.
>
> I hope the info helps.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465353#465353
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_6219_837.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_spring_gear_
> measurements_dragged_1_156.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_springs_info_394.png
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
Chuck,
Try again. Try right clicking on the pictures, and then you should be able to save
them to your own computer. The pictures are also on the Pietvair Forum.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
Thanks Oscar.very interesting. I'll check those links.
John
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Are you the Charles Campbell who spoke at the Redbird symposium at San
Marcos?
On Jan 23, 2017 7:54 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oscar, I just hope my Piet gets flown before I pass to the great
> hereafter! I think I'll make it, but then there is a possibility that I
> won't. Chuck
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:52 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new
>> rear L-brackets for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness"
>> ;o) Yes, I could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist
>> without worrying about the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle
>> of rotation sounds insignificant, but when you push the leading edge of the
>> VS over and watch the rear spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up,
>> you start thinking about the glue joints and everything else, and I didn't
>> like the feeling as I pushed it over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
>>
>> By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this
>> year (I believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man
>> than you... he was only 80 ;o)
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465322#465322
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
No, sorry. That brought up an interesting memory. When I joined the US
Navy in 1941 I had to have a birth certificate. Mother didn't have one so
I went to the office of vital statistics in Raleigh NC to get one. I told
the clerk my name and he went back to the record section. He came back
with a handful of certificates and handed them to me and said, "Take your
pick." There were more than a dozen Charles Campbells in North Carolina
alone -- no telling how many in the US. Chuck
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Are you the Charles Campbell who spoke at the Redbird symposium at San
> Marcos?
>
> On Jan 23, 2017 7:54 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oscar, I just hope my Piet gets flown before I pass to the great
>> hereafter! I think I'll make it, but then there is a possibility that I
>> won't. Chuck
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:52 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new
>>> rear L-brackets for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness"
>>> ;o) Yes, I could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist
>>> without worrying about the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle
>>> of rotation sounds insignificant, but when you push the leading edge of the
>>> VS over and watch the rear spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up,
>>> you start thinking about the glue joints and everything else, and I didn't
>>> like the feeling as I pushed it over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
>>>
>>> By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this
>>> year (I believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man
>>> than you... he was only 80 ;o)
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Medford, OR
>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465322#465322
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mat
>>> ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> ==========
>>> FORUMS -
>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
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>>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
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>>> b Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Why heck! You could be an illegal alien!
That is funny.
It is amazing how tied up on paperwork we can get.
Thanks for your service.
On Jan 23, 2017 10:05 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, sorry. That brought up an interesting memory. When I joined the US
> Navy in 1941 I had to have a birth certificate. Mother didn't have one so
> I went to the office of vital statistics in Raleigh NC to get one. I told
> the clerk my name and he went back to the record section. He came back
> with a handful of certificates and handed them to me and said, "Take your
> pick." There were more than a dozen Charles Campbells in North Carolina
> alone -- no telling how many in the US. Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Are you the Charles Campbell who spoke at the Redbird symposium at San
>> Marcos?
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2017 7:54 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
>> charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oscar, I just hope my Piet gets flown before I pass to the great
>>> hereafter! I think I'll make it, but then there is a possibility that I
>>> won't. Chuck
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:52 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new
>>>> rear L-brackets for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness"
>>>> ;o) Yes, I could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist
>>>> without worrying about the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle
>>>> of rotation sounds insignificant, but when you push the leading edge of the
>>>> VS over and watch the rear spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up,
>>>> you start thinking about the glue joints and everything else, and I didn't
>>>> like the feeling as I pushed it over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this
>>>> year (I believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man
>>>> than you... he was only 80 ;o)
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>>> Medford, OR
>>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465322#465322
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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>>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
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>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
Jerry; I would be happy to help you with whatever information you want to know
about the long fuselage. I own a complete set of Pietenpol Family plans from
which no Air Camper has yet been constructed, and I also have a set from which
my airplane was built. I think everyone in this group is in favor of a builder/pilot
knowing exactly what he/she has, and sharing information from the plans
can help you build and fly safely.
A few quick dimensional checks of your fuselage sides will tell which of the various
versions of fuselage you've got, and in fact there are some very detailed
fuselage comparisons available in the Matronics list archives. As I recall,
the most complete comparison identifies four different "stock" or "plans" fuselage
variants, although there are probably dozens of one-off variants.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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