---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/26/17: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:07 AM - flying and glider manual (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 2. 09:00 AM - Lower forward seat back (Pocono John) 3. 11:59 AM - Re: Lower forward seat back (Bill Church) 4. 12:13 PM - Re: Lower forward seat back (Pocono John) 5. 07:27 PM - Re: flying and glider manual (taildrags) 6. 07:32 PM - Re: flying and glider manual (Bill Church) 7. 07:34 PM - Re: flying and glider manual (Bill Church) 8. 07:51 PM - Re: Lower forward seat back (taildrags) 9. 08:40 PM - Re: Lower forward seat back (Bill Church) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:51 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying and glider manual I need some help. My flying and glider manuals are up north and I am down south. I need the picture of the hangar by the lake for a possible exhibit at the museum at sun n fun. I think it is in the same manual (32) as the Pietenpol aircamper plans, but not sure. We are trying to sell the idea of an enclosure for the sunshine Clipper, which we have done a lot of work on. We hate to think after all the work it will be put back out in the Florida sun. If anyone can PM me that picture it may help the cause. Thanks Skip ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower forward seat back From: "Pocono John" I built the forward seat back as described on the plans. In relation to the white ash cross strut on the floor, it appears I'm supposed to cut a notch in the white ash for the diagonal spruce boards (attached to the seat back). I just want to make sure. It seems to make more sense to leave the ash as is and cut the spruce to sit on it. Just checking before I cut the white ash. Thank you, John -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465450#465450 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lower forward seat back From: "Bill Church" John, I don't have the plans handy, but I'm pretty certain that the ash cross member does not get notched. What part of the drawings gives you the impression that it should be notched? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465455#465455 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lower forward seat back From: "Pocono John" Hi Bill, I made the front seat back as detailed at the bottom of drawing 1. On drawing 3 in the center left is a profile showing the seat back and a note that it's nailed to the ash crossmember. When placing the ash in position, the only way for it to make contact with the seat back is to cut a notch in the ash. The V shaped spruce boards on the seat back are in the way. Back to drawing 1, in the lower right area, is a constructional view of the front cockpit. Looking at that, I can't tell if the V boards are going into the ash (a notch) or the V ends at the top surface of the ash. It seems to me if I make the seat back according to plans, I have to cut a notch in the ash. If there's no notch in the ash, then the V has to begin an inch up from the edge of the plywood. Maybe I'm missing something? Measuring error? Thanks, John -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465457#465457 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying and glider manual From: "taildrags" Skip; I just sent you some snapshots of what I think you were looking for out of the 1032 F&GM, but let me know if that wasn't it. I have the other volumes as well. The email will come from my work address, ozuniga@marquess.com . -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465465#465465 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying and glider manual From: "Bill Church" Will this work for you, Skip? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465466#465466 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_986.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying and glider manual From: "Bill Church" Another illustration. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465467#465467 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_771.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lower forward seat back From: "taildrags" John; Don't notch the ash crossmember. The ends of the "V" sticks get epoxied to the top of the ash member and the plywood seat back attaches to them and carries on down past the ash to the plywood floor. The drawing at the bottom of Sheet 1 shows the plywood the same length as the V sticks, but it's got to be longer so it can get glued and nailed to the back edge of the ash. Here's a crude picture: http://flysquirrel.net/piets/stick/stick4.jpg . If you've already prefabricated the seat back V sticks and attached the plywood, all is not lost... you can just cut a strip of plywood (doubler) to overlap the seat back plywood and the ash member to attach the two. They really do need to be attached. I found that during entries and exits, particularly with heavy boots on, your boots can catch the plywood when sticking them through the cutouts for your feet, and this pushes the seat back forward. Although the V sticks resist that, the corners of the plywood need something to keep its bottom edge from getting shoved forward. You could also do it by gluing two short square sticks on top of the ash crossmember on the *forward* side of the plywood, something to attach corners of the bottom edge of the seat back to. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465468#465468 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lower forward seat back From: "Bill Church" Ok. I've had a look at the plans and I see what you're talking about. Don't notch the ash cross member. It will reduce the strength of the ash piece and not provide any benefit. If you've already glued and nailed the spruce to the plywood it shouldn't be too difficult to trim off the bottom 1 inch of the spruce parts. When I built mine, I put the spruce diagonals on the back side of the plywood, so it wasn't an issue for my seat back. Bill C. 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