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1. 02:51 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet (M W Stanley)
2. 06:05 PM - Stiffeners and cross struts (Pocono John)
3. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet (Chris Tracy)
4. 07:07 PM - Re: Long fuselage and Model A (Catdesigns)
5. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet ((null) raykrause)
6. 08:44 PM - Re: Long fuselage and Model A (taildrags)
7. 09:17 PM - Re: Stiffeners and cross struts (taildrags)
8. 09:47 PM - Re: Stiffeners and cross struts (Catdesigns)
9. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet (Clif Dawson)
10. 10:51 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site by the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....) Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also on your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if it is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
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From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
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Subject: | Stiffeners and cross struts |
I did a search for this and no help.
What size stiffeners do I need for the long fuselage and where do I position them?
I'm not putting a gas tank in front. Using Corvair engine.
Should I place the forward edge of the front stiffener against the 15" mark"? Just
make my stiffeners to whatever size needed and position them based from that
15" point?
Do the cowl supports and instrument panels attach to the cross struts?
Trying to figure it out from the short fuselage plans is not helping.
Thank you,
John Cronin
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John
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. =C2-I personally hate Fa
cebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there because
you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It is sad tha
t lots of good valuable stuff gets lost. =C2-
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on this list
.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley<mmrally@nifty.com> wrote:
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site by th
e
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....) Facebook....
I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also on you
r
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if it is
a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
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From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again.=C2- Not sure what was happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
S -
WIKI -
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
About the best advice I could come up with after an exhaustive study.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wood_gear_placement_analysis.htm
Goes along nicely with WW advice.
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Chris,
I agree completely!!!!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Chris Tracy <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Mark,
>
> You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate Facebo
ok. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there because you c
an't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It is sad that lots o
f good valuable stuff gets lost.
>
> Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on this lis
t.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
> <mmrally@nifty.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site by t
he
> way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....) Facebook...
.I
> can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also on yo
ur
> 'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
> I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if it is
a
> problem on my end.
>
> Thanks and keep up the great job!!
>
> Cheers
> Mark Stanley
> Japan
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> >
> > Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was happening.
> > Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this time I
> > did nothing.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --------
> > Chris
> > Sacramento, CA
> > WestCoastPiet.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
OK, so I found the Wynne articles and have read through them. First comment: if
you don't have them and you want to learn, send $25 to Doc's Piet Shop, P.O.
Box 1001, Neenah WI 54957 in check, money order, or cash and you'll get a set
of the articles and commentary from Doc.
Now for the bottom line: "it depends" ;o) You ask where the axle should be placed
relative to the firewall, but all of the available information references
the axle location with respect to the datum, which is the wing leading edge in
the articles and commentary and is a common datum for aircraft W&B. The twist
to this is that the wing on a Piet can be moved forward and aft by tilting the
wing cabanes, so in effect the datum is a moving target. This can be a good
thing if the airplane is tail heavy, but it doesn't sound like yours is going
to be, with an extended front bay and a Ford engine.
The articles conclude that the best axle placement for a modern Air Camper with
brakes is about 3" aft of the leading edge of the wing with the aircraft level
(top longerons level, as they would be when you're conducting your W&B). Read
the articles to learn how that number was arrived at, but suffice it to say
that there is a good reason. I will admit that the axle distance on my airplane
is farther aft than optimum but I don't remember by how much. When you're
building your airplane, you don't know anything about where the wing leading
edge is going to end up, so you've got to check things as the build progresses.
If you build to the plans you've got (with cabanes vertical), the leading edge
of the wing will be 16-1/4" aft of the firewall with that long 23" bay at
the front of your fuselage, so the axle should be placed 19-1/4" aft of the firewall.
I got that dimension by looking at Drawing No. 1 of the 1933 Hoopman
plans (upper right corner), the front cabane mounting point is 14-1/4" from the
firewall and the wing leading edge is 7-1/2" from the firewall. If you lengthen
the front bay by 8-3/4", that moves the wing leading edge to 16-1/4" from
the firewall and the axle 3" aft of that.
In the Wynne study there is one aircraft with a fuselage length like yours, 172.375".
Like the other five aircraft in that initial sampling, it has the axle
farther aft than optimum, 7.125" aft of the wing leading edge.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Subject: | Re: Stiffeners and cross struts |
John: Westcoastpiet to the rescue (again)!! There are dozens and dozens of excellent
"bare fuselage" shots on this site, but let's give Chris Tracy the spotlight.
Take a look at his airplane and see if this doesn't help clarify things
a bit:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris_Tracy/Fuselage/IMG_1067.JPG
Note that if you're not using the Ford engine, you don't need the forward "tray".
If you're not using a nose tank, you don't really need the crossmember that
carries the tank straps, either. What you do need are some stiffeners, and
you'll see one behind the front instrument panel and another one between the rear
instrument panel and the top of the front seat back. My airplane is framed
just like this, except that mine has an extra crossmember to carry the nose
tank straps.
Gary Boothe's is another good one to look at:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/5-31-09_1.jpg
Rick Schreiber's:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Richard%20Schreiber/images/IMG_0546adj.jpg
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Subject: | Re: Stiffeners and cross struts |
John
On the long fuselage place the cross braces in the sam location relative to the
side clusters. They are also the same size as shown on the short fuselage plans.
Yes, the instrument panel and cowl support are attached tothe ccross support.
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
That makes at least two of us. I would not put ANY of my
information on there!
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: (null) raykrause
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Chris,
I agree completely!!!!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Chris Tracy <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate
Facebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there
because you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It
is sad that lots of good valuable stuff gets lost.
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on
this list.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
<mmrally@nifty.com> wrote:
<mmrally@nifty.com>
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great
site by the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....)
Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm
also on your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December
2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or
if it is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
<Catdesigns@att.net>
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was
happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but
this time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
That makes at least two of us. I would not put ANY of my
information on there!
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: (null) raykrause
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Chris,
I agree completely!!!!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Chris Tracy <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate
Facebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there
because you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It
is sad that lots of good valuable stuff gets lost.
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on
this list.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
<mmrally@nifty.com> wrote:
<mmrally@nifty.com>
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great
site by the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....)
Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm
also on your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December
2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or
if it is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
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From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
<Catdesigns@att.net>
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was
happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but
this time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie --> ht= --> h
- List Contribution Web Site
-http://www.matronic==================
=
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