Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 02/14/17


Total Messages Posted: 18



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 08:41 AM - Wheels (Claude Corbett)
     2. 09:35 AM - Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft (womenfly2)
     3. 10:13 AM - Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft (tkreiner)
     4. 10:17 AM - Re: New Guy (Vincent Dunn)
     5. 11:10 AM - Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft (jarheadpilot82)
     6. 11:33 AM - Re: Wheels (Rick)
     7. 11:54 AM - Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft (JSeitz)
     8. 01:16 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Fly-in 2017 (AircamperN11MS)
     9. 04:25 PM - Re: New Guy (Brent Wilson)
    10. 05:46 PM - Front seat attach point (Pocono John)
    11. 06:10 PM - Re: Front seat attach point (Peter Johnson)
    12. 07:25 PM - Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft (taildrags)
    13. 07:31 PM - Archives? (Brent Wilson)
    14. 07:31 PM - Re: New Guy (taildrags)
    15. 07:42 PM - Re: Front seat attach point (taildrags)
    16. 07:44 PM - Re: Archives? (taildrags)
    17. 08:14 PM - Re: Archives? (Brent Wilson)
    18. 09:58 PM - Re: Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft (tonyp51qa)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:41:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Wheels
    From: Claude Corbett <isablcorky@aol.com>
    Pieter, I need a little help. Lost my source for wheels, brakes and master cylinders. Am leaning toward motorcycle wheels and brakes. Would like your thoughts and suggestions please. Although I'm not ready for them yet I like to accumulate my parts in advance. Corky Sent from my iPad


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    Time: 09:35:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft
    From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
    Flight Instruction in an Experimental Amateur-Built Aircraft (http://forums.matronics.com/posting.php?mode=reply&t=16765725&sid=a767ec6ad0d7b23ee954fc2d5ff0e690) WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466178#466178


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    Time: 10:13:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    It appears that the link you have for flight instruction in an EA be aircraft is a dead link or it's linked to something other than what you want. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466179#466179


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    Time: 10:17:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Guy
    From: "Vincent Dunn" <vincentkdunn@yahoo.com>
    Brent, Welcome! I'm a new builder too. I recommend Tony Bingelis' advise to build a mockup fuselage (or any other part) before you build the 'flying' parts. I built a mockup fuse over a couple of weekends and it has been a great help to me in understand how the thing goes together, what to avoid next time, and filling in the many details omitted from the plans. I'm modifying the long-Corvair fuselage for just one person so I've worked out many changes on the mockup. Also, landing gear design and placement and fuel tank design and placement are important elements that aren't well described in the various plans. Good luck, -------- Vincent Dunn Salem Oregon vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466180#466180 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mockup_fuselage_163.jpg


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    Time: 11:10:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    Tom, The links appear to be fixed. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466184#466184


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    Time: 11:33:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wheels
    From: Rick <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Corky, For my wheels I used rims off the rear wheels of a 650 Yamaha. The hubs were made by me from plans that have been around for awhile. Chris Tracy's website has a lot of info on the wheels and how the hubs can be made. Here is a link. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wire_wheels.htm I used Buchanans in California for my custom spokes. Rick Schrieber NX478RS Sent from my iPad > On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Claude Corbett <isablcorky@aol.com> wrote: > > > Pieter, I need a little help. Lost my source for wheels, brakes and master cylinders. > Am leaning toward motorcycle wheels and brakes. Would like your thoughts and suggestions please. Although I'm not ready for them yet I like to accumulate my parts in advance. > Corky > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >


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    Time: 11:54:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft
    From: "JSeitz" <Joachimkarlseitz@gmail.com>
    Thanks for updating the links. The only problem I foresee is finding a DPE who is willing to give the checkride. The aircraft is not being rented out as there is no compensation for use, and I would not be charging for the instruction. I fail to see any issues here legally speaking. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466189#466189


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    Time: 01:16:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-in 2017
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Oscar, That's the weekend I'm planning on. Haven't heard otherwise. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466193#466193


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    Time: 04:25:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Guy
    From: "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons@gmail.com>
    Vincent, Great idea. Especially for those of us who haven't even tried any of this before. Thanks for chiming in I appreciate it. Brent Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466198#466198


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    Time: 05:46:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Front seat attach point
    From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
    Hello, I'm trying to understand the back part of the front seat bottom. Where is the passenger weight going (besides that front support)? Where and how is the back of the seat attached? It appears it's going to be against the cross piece on the seat back. Is the seat just glued to that? Looking at photos on the web don't help. Thank you, -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466200#466200


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    Time: 06:10:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Front seat attach point
    From: Peter Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    John, Not the best pictures but this may give you an idea. http://cdn.cpc-world.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/IMG_0395_JPG-3.jpg or http://cdn.cpc-world.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/IMG_0384_JPG-3.jpg or http://cdn.cpc-world.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/IMG_0386_JPG-3.jpg I installed some additional uprights on top of the cross braces. They provide support for the rear of the seat, a bit like chair legs. More pictures available at http://www.cpc-world.com. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia On 15/2/17, 12:46 pm, "Pocono John" <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of tinmotion@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello, I'm trying to understand the back part of the front seat bottom. Where is the passenger weight going (besides that front support)? Where and how is the back of the seat attached? It appears it's going to be against the cross piece on the seat back. Is the seat just glued to that? Looking at photos on the web don't help. Thank you, -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466200#466200


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    Time: 07:25:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Whatever the case as far as formalities and logbook entries for the purpose on working on a rating, I would consider stick time in an Air Camper to be both valuable and pleasurable to anyone who is learning to fly or looking to improve their stick and rudder skills. The fact that flight time in a Piet is very, very inexpensive makes it all the more fun. When I flip on the master switch on a $120/hr certified rental airplane, every minute that the gyros are whirring I can feel two bucks leaving my pocket. Those same two bucks can buy me enough avgas to fly a touch-and-go in the Piet. I can go out and put 2.0 hr in the logbook in the Piet and burn less than $40 on gas and oil for a very nice afternoon flight but I will burn that in rental cost just with ground operations in the certified rental aircraft. Just sayin'. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466206#466206


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    Time: 07:31:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Archives?
    From: "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons@gmail.com>
    Ok, I'm new so I have a lot of questions. I've noticed when a newbie asks a question somebody answers it then politely suggests you could have looked in the archives and got the answers. So how do you get to the archives and search for a previously asked questions? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466207#466207


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    Time: 07:31:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Guy
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Very good idea, indeed. You can get your staple gun and a squeeze bottle of yellow carpenter's glue to build your mockup so you don't have to fuss with mixing structural epoxy and all of that. Of course you can use whatever wood is handy and available, and if you mess anything up, you aren't shedding big tears over ruining a beautiful piece of Sitka spruce. In fact, if you split something while bending it, or if there's a knot that you don't want to bother taking out, you can just scab on a plywood gusset over it and keep going. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466208#466208


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    Time: 07:42:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Front seat attach point
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    John; when I had to rebuild the front seat in 41CC, I added vertical sticks to support the aft ends of the seat side rails. It's not fancy, but I just felt like with passengers stepping into the front cockpit and standing on the seat, it needed vertical support. Some pictures here (but Peter's are WAAYY nicer!): http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466209#466209


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    Time: 07:44:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Archives?
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Brent: go here- http://www.matronics.com/search/ Start by selecting the Pietenpol list, then enter your search word(s) and any other criteria, and there you go. For example, I just searched on the word 'mockup' and got 154 messages in 1 second of searching. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466210#466210


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    Time: 08:14:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Archives?
    From: "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons@gmail.com>
    Thanks Oscar, I'm sure glad you check on my posts every so often. I will give it a shot. Brent Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466213#466213


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    Time: 09:58:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft
    From: tonyp51qa <tonyp51qa@gmail.com>
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