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1. 06:32 AM - Re: DIe Spring gear (jarheadpilot82)
2. 10:04 AM - Re: DIe Spring gear (Steven Dortch)
3. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: DIe Spring gear (Steven Dortch)
4. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: DIe Spring gear (Ben Charvet)
5. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: DIe Spring gear (Steven Dortch)
6. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: DIe Spring gear (John Franklin)
7. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: DIe Spring gear (Steven Dortch)
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| Subject: | Re: DIe Spring gear |
Steve,
Here is a link to another story that William wrote about die spring gear, the ones
he installed on my Pietenpol -
https://flycorvair.net/2015/05/01/steel-tube-pietenpol-fuselage-with-landing-gear-and-12-x-4-8-tires/
Have your welder take a look at the pictures of the tubing ends. It may help him
to see what you need done.
Hope it helps.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: DIe Spring gear |
Andre, Please confirm the specifications for WW's Canned spring.
1 inch rod with 2 inch OD washer welded on.
6 inch long die spring, one inch ID, 2 inch OD
The Can is Nothing special (IE Seamless tubing)
2.25 ID steel tubing six inch long with 2.25 inch OD washers on both ends
with 1 in ID (or should this be 1.25 or 1.125 ID?)
Fittings on each end for AN4 Bolts.
The spring is under slight compression inside the can.
Please confirm or deny (Check or hold! in Artillery terms)
Am I missing anything?
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Andre B. Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I recently modified my bungee system to the closed can setup Wm Wynn
> designed. It works great, but is significantly heavier. The aircraft
> seems to fly better with the less draggy new shocks. If I had it to do over
> again, I would have used the springs originally.
>
> Ben Charvet
> NX866BC
> 330 hrs in 7 years
>
>
> On May 8, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen, and Kenny and Oscar, My piet squatted down on the
> gear when I added the wings. Bigtime!
>
> Apparently the bungees are not tight enough and/or old. I have decided to
> go with the coil spring system.
>
>
> Several others including William Wynne have done a spring in a can system.
> It also has good reviews. I am inclined to do it the way WW describes it on
> his website.
>
>
> https://flycorvair.net/2015/05/01/steel-tube-pietenpol-
> fuselage-with-landing-gear-and-12-x-4-8-*tires/*
>
>
> The local welder looked at the system and like many non EAA types started
> talking about seamless tubing and much more expensive materiel. He said he
> would weld what I wanted.
>
> I just want to confirm with those who have built it. , The interior is a
> one inch rod. The Can is 2.25 ID seamed tubing. The washer inside is a 2
> inch washer. The washers on the can are 2.25 washers. It is not a precisely
> machined item exept the welds should be square and flush.
>
> Anything else I need to know?
>
> Wag Aero sells a set for $319.99 and you still have to cut it to length
> and put eye holes in the ends. The spring is exposed. The system has good
> reviews.
>
> https://www.wagaero.com/wag-aero-kit-airplanes/sport-
> trainer/landing-gear-kit-options/sport-trainer-die-spring-shock-strut-kit-
> fabricated.html
>
> Opinions invited!
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: DIe Spring gear |
Terry, I did show my welder the WW article. He proposed some expensive add
ons. IE seamless 2inch steel pipe. I think he has over thought the project.
Please confirm the specifications for WW's Canned spring.
1 inch rod with 2 inch OD washer welded on.
6 inch long die spring, one inch ID, 2 inch OD
The Can is Nothing special (IE Seamless tubing)
2.25 ID steel tubing six inch long with 2.25 inch OD washers on both ends
with 1 in ID (or should this be 1.25 or 1.125 ID?)
Fittings on each end for AN4 Bolts.
The spring is under slight compression inside the can.
Please confirm or deny (Check or hold! in Artillery terms)
Am I missing anything?
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:32 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> Here is a link to another story that William wrote about die spring gear,
> the ones he installed on my Pietenpol -
>
> https://flycorvair.net/2015/05/01/steel-tube-pietenpol-
> fuselage-with-landing-gear-and-12-x-4-8-tires/
>
> Have your welder take a look at the pictures of the tubing ends. It may
> help him to see what you need done.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469149#469149
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: DIe Spring gear |
The can is 2.25 OD, 2.0 ID
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 9, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrot
e:
>
> Terry, I did show my welder the WW article. He proposed some expensive add
ons. IE seamless 2inch steel pipe. I think he has over thought the project.
>
> Please confirm the specifications for WW's Canned spring.
>
> 1 inch rod with 2 inch OD washer welded on.
> 6 inch long die spring, one inch ID, 2 inch OD
>
> The Can is Nothing special (IE Seamless tubing)
> 2.25 ID steel tubing six inch long with 2.25 inch OD washers on both end
s with 1 in ID (or should this be 1.25 or 1.125 ID?)
> Fittings on each end for AN4 Bolts.
>
> The spring is under slight compression inside the can.
>
> Please confirm or deny (Check or hold! in Artillery terms)
> Am I missing anything?
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:32 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com
> wrote:
tmail.com>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Here is a link to another story that William wrote about die spring gear,
the ones he installed on my Pietenpol -
>>
>> https://flycorvair.net/2015/05/01/steel-tube-pietenpol-fuselage-with-land
ing-gear-and-12-x-4-8-tires/
>>
>> Have your welder take a look at the pictures of the tubing ends. It may h
elp him to see what you need done.
>>
>> Hope it helps.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469149#469149
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| Subject: | Re: DIe Spring gear |
Ben, My concern is that the OD of the Spring and the "Plunger" washer is 2
in. OD. if the Can is 2 in ID that makes for a very tight fit. Especially
if the 2in Pipe has a weld inside. That will scrape.
SD
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
> The can is 2.25 OD, 2.0 ID
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 9, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Terry, I did show my welder the WW article. He proposed some expensive add
> ons. IE seamless 2inch steel pipe. I think he has over thought the project.
>
> Please confirm the specifications for WW's Canned spring.
>
> 1 inch rod with 2 inch OD washer welded on.
> 6 inch long die spring, one inch ID, 2 inch OD
>
> The Can is Nothing special (IE Seamless tubing)
> 2.25 ID steel tubing six inch long with 2.25 inch OD washers on both
> ends with 1 in ID (or should this be 1.25 or 1.125 ID?)
> Fittings on each end for AN4 Bolts.
>
> The spring is under slight compression inside the can.
>
> Please confirm or deny (Check or hold! in Artillery terms)
> Am I missing anything?
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:32 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Here is a link to another story that William wrote about die spring gear,
>> the ones he installed on my Pietenpol -
>>
>> https://flycorvair.net/2015/05/01/steel-tube-pietenpol-fusel
>> age-with-landing-gear-and-12-x-4-8-tires/
>>
>> Have your welder take a look at the pictures of the tubing ends. It may
>> help him to see what you need done.
>>
>> Hope it helps.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469149#469149
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: DIe Spring gear |
Steve,
According to the Spruce website, a 2.25" 4130 tube has an ID of 2.010". Hopefully
the extra 10 mils would be enough clearance. I'm anxious to try this on my
GN-1 which has bungee cords (but hasn't flown yet).
Regards,
John F.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Dortch
Sent: May 9, 2017 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: DIe Spring gear
Ben, My concern is that the OD of the Spring and the "Plunger" washer is 2 in.
OD. if the Can is 2 in ID that makes for a very tight fit. Especially if the 2in
Pipe has a weld inside. That will scrape.
SD
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
The can is 2.25 OD, 2.0 ID
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
Terry, I did show my welder the WW article. He proposed some expensive add ons.
IE seamless 2inch steel pipe. I think he has over thought the project.
Please confirm the specifications for WW's Canned spring.
1 inch rod with 2 inch OD washer welded on.
6 inch long die spring, one inch ID, 2 inch OD
The Can is Nothing special (IE Seamless tubing)
2.25 ID steel tubing six inch long with 2.25 inch OD washers on both ends with
1 in ID (or should this be 1.25 or 1.125 ID?)
Fittings on each end for AN4 Bolts.
The spring is under slight compression inside the can.
Please confirm or deny (Check or hold! in Artillery terms)
Am I missing anything?
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:32 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
Steve,
Here is a link to another story that William wrote about die spring gear, the ones
he installed on my Pietenpol -
https://flycorvair.net/2015/05/01/steel-tube-pietenpol-fuselage-with-landing-gear-and-12-x-4-8-tires/
Have your welder take a look at the pictures of the tubing ends. It may help him
to see what you need done.
Hope it helps.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: DIe Spring gear |
John, That is exactly what I am trying to do. Thank you. I will hit my
welder up with the idea to measure the ID on his 2.25 tubing. He has a vast
amount of materiel.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:29 PM, John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> According to the Spruce website, a 2.25" 4130 tube has an ID of 2.010".
> Hopefully the extra 10 mils would be enough clearance. I'm anxious to try
> this on my GN-1 which has bungee cords (but hasn't flown yet).
>
> Regards,
> John F.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Steven Dortch
>
> Sent: May 9, 2017 3:07 PM
>
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com"
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: DIe Spring gear
>
>
> Ben, My concern is that the OD of the Spring and the "Plunger" washer is 2
> in. OD. if the Can is 2 in ID that makes for a very tight fit. Especially
> if the 2in Pipe has a weld inside. That will scrape.
>
> SD
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
> The can is 2.25 OD, 2.0 ID
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On May 9, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Terry, I did show my welder the WW article. He proposed some expensive add
> ons. IE seamless 2inch steel pipe. I think he has over thought the project.
>
> Please confirm the specifications for WW's Canned spring.
>
> 1 inch rod with 2 inch OD washer welded on.
> 6 inch long die spring, one inch ID, 2 inch OD
>
> The Can is Nothing special (IE Seamless tubing)
> 2.25 ID steel tubing six inch long with 2.25 inch OD washers on both
> ends with 1 in ID (or should this be 1.25 or 1.125 ID?)
> Fittings on each end for AN4 Bolts.
>
> The spring is under slight compression inside the can.
>
> Please confirm or deny (Check or hold! in Artillery terms)
> Am I missing anything?
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:32 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Here is a link to another story that William wrote about die spring gear,
> the ones he installed on my Pietenpol -
>
>
> https://flycorvair.net/2015/05/01/steel-tube-pietenpol-
> fuselage-with-landing-gear-and-12-x-4-8-tires/
>
>
> Have your welder take a look at the pictures of the tubing ends. It may
> help him to see what you need done.
>
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> --------
>
> Semper Fi,
>
>
> Terry Hand
>
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469149#469149
>
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