---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/19/17: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:16 AM - What would help you ... (womenfly2) 2. 05:48 AM - Re: What would help you ... (Scott Knowlton) 3. 08:08 AM - The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (jarheadpilot82) 4. 08:21 AM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (JERRY) 5. 09:18 AM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (jarheadpilot82) 6. 09:24 AM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (womenfly2) 7. 09:40 AM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (jarheadpilot82) 8. 09:51 AM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (jarheadpilot82) 9. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (JERRY) 10. 10:49 AM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (jarheadpilot82) 11. 01:50 PM - Re: What would help you ... (jarheadpilot82) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: What would help you ... From: "womenfly2" As you started building your Pietenpol; 1. If you could have purchased any pre-made parts what would they have been? 2. What kit or kits of parts for the Pietenpol would you have purchased? 3. What parts or kits would you like to see made available? Just curious, KAP -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469433#469433 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:18 AM PST US From: Scott Knowlton Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What would help you ... I'll begin by saying that I look back with fond memories to every fitting and assembly that I built. I remember ten years ago before beginning my build I saw a control stick assembly and complete tailwheel all beautifully fabricated for sale in Brodhead for $250 US each. It didn't tickle my economic homebuilder's fancy so I left them on the shelf. When I built mine, the materials were relatively cheap but wow it took a lot of time, trial and error, extra fitting etc. At those prices my labour was probably worth half of a 711 clerk! I think if I could go back in time I'd buy those two assemblies. The balance of the metal brackets are very airplane dependant (save for the aileron Pulley brackets on the spars and maybe the walking beam...). My two cents. Scott Knowlton Burlington ON > On May 19, 2017, at 8:18 AM, womenfly2 wrote: > > > As you started building your Pietenpol; > > 1. If you could have purchased any pre-made parts what would they have been? > > 2. What kit or kits of parts for the Pietenpol would you have purchased? > > 3. What parts or kits would you like to see made available? > > Just curious, > KAP > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469433#469433 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "jarheadpilot82" Maybe you builders and flyers waaay smarter than me can answer this simple question - I have the steel tube fuselage, but I built wooden tail feathers. Obviously, attaching the upper hinges to the vertical stab is pretty straightforward. I am at a bit of a loss as to how to attach the Kapler/Zuniga hinge (Yes, Oscar, that is what I am calling them moving forward) to the steel tube fuselage. That is to say, the lower-most hinge. See the photos for a further explanation of what I am looking for - -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469436#469436 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2017_05_19_at_94121_am_512.png http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2017_05_19_at_94201_am_861.png ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:42 AM PST US From: "JERRY" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage You could just weld on a little tab the fits into the other Kapler hinge. That's what I would do. Jerry Sky Classic -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage --> Maybe you builders and flyers waaay smarter than me can answer this simple question - I have the steel tube fuselage, but I built wooden tail feathers. Obviously, attaching the upper hinges to the vertical stab is pretty straightforward. I am at a bit of a loss as to how to attach the Kapler/Zuniga hinge (Yes, Oscar, that is what I am calling them moving forward) to the steel tube fuselage. That is to say, the lower-most hinge. See the photos for a further explanation of what I am looking for - -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469436#469436 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2017_05_19_at_94121_am_512.pn g http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2017_05_19_at_94201_am_861.pn g --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "jarheadpilot82" Jerry, I should have been more clear. Attached is a drawing that might make more clear the question. How do I attach the hinge to the tab. If I drill through the tail post, won't I be weakening it? Do I beef up the tail post. Maybe my drawing with the skills of a 7 year old might help explain. Thanks for your input. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469439#469439 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_8923_106.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "womenfly2" Why go through all that. As was said, just weld on a tab. Radius the back to fit the tail post ... simple. KAP -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469440#469440 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "jarheadpilot82" Keri Ann, I guess my question is really how to attach the hinge to the welded tab. Look at my drawing below (with my awesome drawing skills). Do I extend the tab with its own radiused tabs away from the post, weld the radiused tabs to the tail post with just enough room to slip some lock nuts between the tail post and the tab? Not trying to make this complicated. I just am trying to think through this. Thanks for everyone's input. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469441#469441 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_8928_195.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "jarheadpilot82" Keri Ann, Duh!?!? I should have looked at the bottom of your post. That makes PERFECT SENSE! I will do it exactly like that, just not use the one hinge-half, weld on one tab like the one you have pictured, and call it a day. This is why I fly airplanes and others, like you, are engineers and such. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469442#469442 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:38 AM PST US From: "JERRY" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage Yes I would make a tab the very same size as the hinge tab. And use it as the hinge. Then weld it to the post and it becomes the hinge. I like it when a plan comes together. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage --> Keri Ann, Duh!?!? I should have looked at the bottom of your post. That makes PERFECT SENSE! I will do it exactly like that, just not use the one hinge-half, weld on one tab like the one you have pictured, and call it a day. This is why I fly airplanes and others, like you, are engineers and such. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469442#469442 --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "jarheadpilot82" Thanks to both of you. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469445#469445 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What would help you ... From: "jarheadpilot82" Keri Ann, As has been said, a great number of fittings are aircraft specific due to such things as the variety of spar thicknesses. I can think of two things that would be relatively consistent between builders - 1. The walking beam 2. The tail brace fittings 3. The aileron cable pulley brackets that are internal to each wing I would be interested in those parts. Not that I couldn't make them, but it would be one less thing to fabricate. Thanks for asking. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469446#469446 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.