---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/23/17: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:21 AM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (tkreiner) 2. 08:38 AM - Prop cover plate (Rick Schreiber) 3. 08:54 AM - Re: tail hinges (taildrags) 4. 12:30 PM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (aerocarjake) 5. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (JERRY) 6. 01:36 PM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (wheelharp) 7. 03:50 PM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (aerocarjake) 8. 05:36 PM - OT father of jeepenpol (Steven Dortch) 9. 05:38 PM - OT father of Jeep (Steven Dortch) 10. 05:51 PM - Re: OT father of Jeep (Boatright, Jeffrey) 11. 06:07 PM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (jarheadpilot82) 12. 07:20 PM - Re: OT father of Jeep (Steven Dortch) 13. 08:06 PM - Re: Prop cover plate (taildrags) 14. 08:08 PM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (taildrags) 15. 08:18 PM - Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "tkreiner" Terry, Since I haven't heard back regarding tube diameters, I thought I'd just post this pic so you may design your own hinges. As a Design Engineer, I'd use one of these at the top and one at the bottom with the curved portion of the tab pointing opposite each other. (The center hinge may be oriented in either direction...) That way, the rudder will be confined vertically (axially along rearmost vertical stabilizer tube). >From what I can tell, this part is typically an assembly using a circular section welded to the hinge pin tab. In order to make that as an assembly, the rounded piece is to carry any axial load. This prevents welds from shear loads. Hope this helps. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469533#469533 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hinge_design_900.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop cover plate From: "Rick Schreiber" I'm thinking about having a number of prop cover plates made with an acid etched design on the surface. This is just a thin cover plate meant to be used over a standard steel or aluminum prop plate. The diameter will be around 6" and made for a SAE-1 bolt pattern as used on a corvair prop hub. I need to run at least 25 of these to make it worthwhile. The cost is about $10 each. If there is enough interest I will have these made. Just send me a pm at lmforge at earthlink.net if interested. The attached picture is a paper print of the graphic taped to the front of my Piet/corvair. The plate will be marked for the prop bolt holes but will not be drilled or cut out. I want to get these done before Brodhead so I'll need to hear from those interested soon. Rick Schreiber NX478RS Valparaiso, IN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469534#469534 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_plate_127.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tail hinges From: "taildrags" Vincent; I also forgot to mention that if it were me, I would use single-ear nutplates for the hinge mounting screws. Less weight. If you epoxy them in place, they should be secure without having to mount with two screws. Melt some candle wax into the threaded part and the epoxy won't stick to the threads and can be cleared out after it's set. However, if you feel better with two-ear nutplates, carry on ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469535#469535 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "aerocarjake" Hello good Piet-ple, Been out of touch for a while yet still moving forward nicely on my project. Terry, here is a photo of my tailpost hinge prior to welding. I can't find a good photo of that specific area after welding...?!?!? The three rudder hinges line up real well yet you have to be very careful to always mount the horizontal stabilizer with the same number of washers/shims so the three rudder hinges are spaced properly. I've been working on my center section for the past many months. There are some details that are taking more time than normal but "anything worth doing is worth over-doing...!!!!" Have fun with the adventure....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469539#469539 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailpost_hinge_606.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:00 PM PST US From: "JERRY" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage Yes that is exactly what I was saying. That is the perfect way to do it. Jerry Sky Classic -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage --> Hello good Piet-ple, Been out of touch for a while yet still moving forward nicely on my project. Terry, here is a photo of my tailpost hinge prior to welding. I can't find a good photo of that specific area after welding...?!?!? The three rudder hinges line up real well yet you have to be very careful to always mount the horizontal stabilizer with the same number of washers/shims so the three rudder hinges are spaced properly. I've been working on my center section for the past many months. There are some details that are taking more time than normal but "anything worth doing is worth over-doing...!!!!" Have fun with the adventure....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469539#469539 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailpost_hinge_606.jpg --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "wheelharp" Somewhat on the same subject...since the location of this hinge half is done pre-covering, does the thickness of covering on fuselage and horizontal and vertical stab add enough thickness to make alignment off? In other words, does any allowance need to be made for covering, or is it insignificant enough it doesn't matter. -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469541#469541 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "aerocarjake" good point... it may not be critical but my horizontal stabilizer is mounted on washers and I could adjust them if needed. I suspect that will be one of the many things that crop up when one re-assembles the plane after covering/paint.... I guess I'll just skip the covering altogether - ha! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469552#469552 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:07 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT father of jeepenpol Luke, I am your father! 1928 overland whippet four. 134 CI. 31 HP. Later developed into the GoDevil Jeep engine of WW two. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:45 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT father of Jeep 1928 whippet head ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:42 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT father of Jeep UHJldHR5IHN1cmUgdGhhdCB0aGlzIGlzIGEgd2hpcHBldCBoZWFk4oCmDQoNCi0tDQpKZWZmcmV5 IEguIEJvYXRyaWdodCwgUGhELCBGQVJWTw0KUHJvZmVzc29yIG9mIE9waHRoYWxtb2xvZ3kNCkVt b3J5IFVuaXZlcnNpdHkgU2Nob29sIG9mIE1lZGljaW5lDQpDb3JlIERpcmVjdG9yICYgUmVzZWFy Y2ggQmlvbG9naXN0DQpBdGxhbnRhIFZBTUMgQ2VudGVyIGZvciBWaXN1YWwgJiBOZXVyb2NvZ25p dGl2ZSBSZWhhYmlsaXRhdGlvbg0KDQoNCkZyb206IDxvd25lci1waWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdC1zZXJ2 ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4gb24gYmVoYWxmIG9mIFN0ZXZlbiBEb3J0Y2ggPHN0ZXZlbi5kLmRv cnRjaEBnbWFpbC5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogInBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20i IDxwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KRGF0ZTogVHVlc2RheSwgTWF5IDIzLCAy MDE3IGF0IDg6MzYgUE0NClRvOiAicGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSIgPHBpZXRl bnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogT1QgZmF0 aGVyIG9mIEplZXANCg0KMTkyOCB3aGlwcGV0IGhlYWQNCg0KX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX18NCg0KVGhpcyBlLW1haWwgbWVzc2FnZSAoaW5jbHVkaW5nIGFueSBhdHRhY2ht ZW50cykgaXMgZm9yIHRoZSBzb2xlIHVzZSBvZg0KdGhlIGludGVuZGVkIHJlY2lwaWVudChzKSBh bmQgbWF5IGNvbnRhaW4gY29uZmlkZW50aWFsIGFuZCBwcml2aWxlZ2VkDQppbmZvcm1hdGlvbi4g SWYgdGhlIHJlYWRlciBvZiB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaXMgbm90IHRoZSBpbnRlbmRlZA0KcmVjaXBp ZW50LCB5b3UgYXJlIGhlcmVieSBub3RpZmllZCB0aGF0IGFueSBkaXNzZW1pbmF0aW9uLCBkaXN0 cmlidXRpb24NCm9yIGNvcHlpbmcgb2YgdGhpcyBtZXNzYWdlIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgYW55IGF0dGFj aG1lbnRzKSBpcyBzdHJpY3RseQ0KcHJvaGliaXRlZC4NCg0KSWYgeW91IGhhdmUgcmVjZWl2ZWQg dGhpcyBtZXNzYWdlIGluIGVycm9yLCBwbGVhc2UgY29udGFjdA0KdGhlIHNlbmRlciBieSByZXBs eSBlLW1haWwgbWVzc2FnZSBhbmQgZGVzdHJveSBhbGwgY29waWVzIG9mIHRoZQ0Kb3JpZ2luYWwg bWVzc2FnZSAoaW5jbHVkaW5nIGF0dGFjaG1lbnRzKS4NCg= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "jarheadpilot82" Jake, A picture is worth a thousand words (maybe two thousand for this air line pilot). Thanks! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469565#469565 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:51 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT father of Jeep Yes, it is. LoL On May 23, 2017 7:53 PM, "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote: > Pretty sure that this is a whippet head > > > -- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO > > Professor of Ophthalmology > > Emory University School of Medicine > > Core Director & Research Biologist > > Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation > > > *From: * on behalf of Steven > Dortch > *Date: *Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 8:36 PM > *To: *"pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: OT father of Jeep > > > 1928 whippet head > > ------------------------------ > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop cover plate From: "taildrags" Nice design! I'm guessing the Ford builders will be especially interested in these for the period look that they impart. My A75 sports a thin aluminum reproduction of the original Continental plate, which I think I got from Wag Aero or someplace. I don't remember what it cost. It, too, is decorative and goes over the real crush plate. Obviously, those who are using tapered shaft prop hubs will be out of luck with something like this, although I guess you could also design a plate with the graphics positioned around where the nose of the hub pokes through. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469569#469569 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "taildrags" Jake-! Long time no hear progress report. I was expecting to see a cloud of blue smoke from your radial engine on the horizon north of me when you fired it up. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469570#469570 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Kapler/Zuniga hinge on a steel tube fuselage From: "aerocarjake" I should probably cover the plane before I fly in.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469571#469571 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag0723_789.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.