---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/11/17: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Dick's wing finish (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 07:38 AM - Project for sale (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 3. 07:42 AM - Re: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Robert Gow) 4. 08:08 AM - Ford model A engine part (flyingbrick) 5. 08:57 AM - Re: Ford model A engine part (tkreiner) 6. 09:03 AM - Re: Ford model A engine part (Jack Fastnaught) 7. 09:03 AM - Re: Ford model A engine part (flyingbrick) 8. 09:06 AM - Re: Ford model A engine part (Robert Gow) 9. 09:52 AM - Re: Dick's wing finish (charles mcfarland) 10. 09:54 AM - Re: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet (charles mcfarland) 11. 05:33 PM - Working with sheet metal (Pocono John) 12. 07:36 PM - Re: Working with sheet metal (tkreiner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:35 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick's wing finish Dick told me that he used the clear poly fiber finish with their UV additive mixed in and some color stain. I followed his advice (to a point) when doing my own wings. They sell a UV additive that you simply mix into the clear. It imparts a slightly amber color, but not enough to get the darker tobacco color he wanted so he added (or had them add, I don't know which) some brown to suit. It's not hard to do, just mix up some batches using various amounts of pigmented coloring and you'll end up with what you're looking for. Feel free to email or call me with any questions. Douwe 805 573 3564 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:28 AM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Pietenpol Project for sale. Fuselage on gear with engine mounted. All wood on Tail feathers done. All ribs complete. Spars in original crate. Engine is later model Corvair with 110 HP heads, aircraft intake and Carburetor, exhaust, and prop hub. Engine has 25 hrs on test stand. Also most instruments included. Project located in Hilliard, Florida. $2,500 takes all. Contact me via e-mail for Photos. No tire kickers please! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:17 AM PST US From: Robert Gow Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines How do I recover my user name? -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: July-02-17 2:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. 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Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford model A engine part From: "flyingbrick" On my Model A there is a strange bulb on the front cover plate which seems to have no purpose. It can be seen in the attached picture. Does anybody know what this is for? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470893#470893 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bulb_model_a_179.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford model A engine part From: "tkreiner" Are you describing the item in this attached pic? If so, it's the original timing pin for the engine. Remove it, reverse it in the hole, and rotate the engine to TDC... When at TDC, the pin will slip deeper int the cover, as it engages a hole in the cam. Be SURE to remove and tighten. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470896#470896 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/timing_pin_140.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:19 AM PST US From: Jack Fastnaught Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ford model A engine part That small protrusion contains the timing pin Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2017, at 11:08 AM, flyingbrick wrote: > > > On my Model A there is a strange bulb on the front cover plate which seems to have no purpose. It can be seen in the attached picture. Does anybody know what this is for? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470893#470893 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/bulb_model_a_179.jpg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford model A engine part From: "flyingbrick" Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470897#470897 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:44 AM PST US From: Robert Gow Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ford model A engine part Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Fastnaught Sent: July-11-17 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ford model A engine part --> That small protrusion contains the timing pin Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2017, at 11:08 AM, flyingbrick wrote: > > --> > > On my Model A there is a strange bulb on the front cover plate which seems to have no purpose. It can be seen in the attached picture. Does anybody know what this is for? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470893#470893 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/bulb_model_a_179.jpg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick's wing finish From: "charles mcfarland" Douwe, Thanks. That is what I was looking for. I will be in touch. Will you be at Brodhead this year? Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470902#470902 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet From: "charles mcfarland" Thanks to everyone who answered. That all gives me something to go on. I hope to see and meet everyone at Brodhead this hear. Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470903#470903 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Working with sheet metal From: "Pocono John" I'm using a metal cutting bandsaw with 24 TPI since the metal is thin. It seems it would be much easier with a bench shear, which local stores don't sell. Any other way to cut the sheet? Once the pieces are cut, what's the best way to shape them (round corners for example) and smooth the edges? Bench grinder or bench sander (what grit)? What worked for youand is there anything you'd do different? Thank you! John C -------- John Cronin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470915#470915 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Working with sheet metal From: "tkreiner" John, ASS has a set of A/C snips; Left Hand, Right Hand and straight. If the description isn't completely clear, the L H snip shears a circular cut in the counter clockwise direction, the R H in the clockwise. This is done freehand while wearing gloves... With a bandsaw, you'll probably need to provide some suitable backup material to prevent distortion of the sheet while cutting. (Don't wear gloves when working with a bandsaw - or any other machine tool.) Practicing on scrap, you'll be able to make nice radii on all of the pieces, as well as smooth cutouts around cylinders, etc. Working the metal around features on your plane might require an English Wheel, which, with practice, may be used to make cowling, and associated items, like brackets, baffles, etc. Cutting manila folders might save you a fortune, as cheapo materiasl will allow you to make the parts over and over and prevent the production of high cost scrap. Fit the pieces carefully, and when they fit the way they should, then make them out of metal. The alloy most commonly used in AC work is 2024 T3, although other alloys may be used. 5052 H32 can be used in non structural applications, where formability is important, as well as cost. 5052 is roughly half the tensile strength of 2024. One final note... Scotch Brite wheels & discs do an excellent job of smoothing edges, and in the process create EXTREMELY SMALL PARTICLES (~ 1 um), which may be inhaled. My 3M Rep always wore an expensive face mask, and when I asked him why, he just said "to keep from breathing that stuff." Meaning the material being removed with the wheel or disc. There is some speculation that aluminum may be a contributing factor in Alzheimer's disease. My take is that 3M might not be divulging sufficient information about these products to the end users. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470918#470918 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.