---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/10/17: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Sky Scout Plans ((null) raykrause) 2. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Sky Scout Plans ((null) raykrause) 3. 09:20 PM - Re: Sky Scout Plans (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:26 PM PST US From: "(null) raykrause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout Plans Oscar, I learned in a 7AC Aeronca and have since owned two of them and a J-3. From memories of doing many straight on, power-off stalls, it seems to me that the AOA was far steeper than 10-13 degrees. I clearly remember wondering if the damn thing would ever stall so I could get the power back on and be done with that phase of the training. I also remember all the warnings it gave on incipient stalls when in steep turns...those mushy controls! But I must admit that I could sometimes not respond to such warnings while concentrating in the turns. And I've scared myself many times practicing approach stalls simulating base to final while letting the tail scoot too much....kinda gets one's attention! My intention is to measure the on-the-ground attitude of the Aeronca and then remember to take my digital protractor along on my next Aeronca flight. Not too much I can do about the AOA of the SkyScout on the ground at this time. Guess we will see how it lands on the first flights. Smaller wheels might be an answer. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2017, at 8:04 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Yes, good info, Jack. I never thought about what it was that made each of those aircraft handle as they do near the stall. I learned to fly in a 40HP J-3 and made my first solo in it, so that airplane created my first impressions of how to land an airplane and what the sensations and visual cues should be right at the ground. > > The Cub must have taught me pretty well. Flying my Air Camper some 45 years after that first solo off the grass at Tims Airpark north of Austin, I find that I can now make perfect 3-point landings every time. Sometimes those perfect 3-pointers occur three feet off the runway, sometimes they are half that distance, sometimes they should have happened two seconds after the tires touched down and I'm ballooning up again, but occasionally the tires meet the runway at the same time the airplane stops flying ;o) In short, I know the theory perfectly and the airplane is willing to give it a go as many times as I want to put it in the landing attitude, but it usually turns out that I'm still a student and 41CC gets the last chuckle as we clear the active. > > I guess if that weren't the case, I might as well just have a big red toggle switch on the panel labeled "AutoLand" and I would soon grow bored of Pietenpoling. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472731#472731 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:13 PM PST US From: "(null) raykrause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout Plans The 7AC AOA, as measure on the ground in 3-point is 11.2 degrees. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2017, at 8:04 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Yes, good info, Jack. I never thought about what it was that made each of those aircraft handle as they do near the stall. I learned to fly in a 40HP J-3 and made my first solo in it, so that airplane created my first impressions of how to land an airplane and what the sensations and visual cues should be right at the ground. > > The Cub must have taught me pretty well. Flying my Air Camper some 45 years after that first solo off the grass at Tims Airpark north of Austin, I find that I can now make perfect 3-point landings every time. Sometimes those perfect 3-pointers occur three feet off the runway, sometimes they are half that distance, sometimes they should have happened two seconds after the tires touched down and I'm ballooning up again, but occasionally the tires meet the runway at the same time the airplane stops flying ;o) In short, I know the theory perfectly and the airplane is willing to give it a go as many times as I want to put it in the landing attitude, but it usually turns out that I'm still a student and 41CC gets the last chuckle as we clear the active. > > I guess if that weren't the case, I might as well just have a big red toggle switch on the panel labeled "AutoLand" and I would soon grow bored of Pietenpoling. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472731#472731 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout Plans From: "taildrags" Ray; Although my first solo was in a J-3, I didn't have enough money to continue flying while in college so I didn't go much further until I was out of school, working, and needing to get my private ticket so I could fly to and from jobsites on business. At that point, I had the resources to plop down enough money to schedule blocks of instruction time till I could take my checkride and get my ticket. I still wanted to learn in tailwheel aircraft so I sought out an instructor and FBO who could do that and picked up where I had left offf out of college when I found a tailwheel instructor and a GCAA Citabria. I flew most of my primary training in that aircraft until it was sold, then continued my advanced training in a Cessna 150/150 with the Texas Taildragger conversion. Later, I rented a Citabria 7KCAB and flew that on business as well. I found very great differences in the sight picture out the windscreen of those three airplanes in all flight regimes. The way I remember the GCAA, it had much the same feel and view out the front as the J-3 and I enjoyed flying that airplane. I seem to remember sitting deeper down in the seat in it though. In the 150/150, I felt like the 3-point attitude hardly looked much different out the front than the tri-gear 150! It felt like I wasn't really flying a tailwheel aircraft, other than having to stay on the rudder pedals. In the 7KCAB, the cowling and instrument panel seemed to block more of my forward view than in either of those airplanes, and of course with a fuel injected engine and 150HP the starting drill and performance were different from the GCAA. The point is, in the air they are all just airplanes but in the landing configuration there are significant differences in the visual cues and attitude and it takes some adjustment to get used to a new tailwheel airplane. What I found when I transitioned into the Air Camper, as I'm sure you'll find in the Sky Scout, is that it is not always waiting to jump on you or throw you off its back like a wild bronc. It gives you plenty of cues and it flies slowly enough on approach that you have time to think about what it's doing. And once you're "connected" to the airplane, the fun really begins because you can go fly without a long preflight, without a long checklist, without a lot of equipment or forethought, or even without a lot of mental preparation. You just go fly and you have fun doing it. You can handle the plane by yourself and you don't have to check your bank balance every time you taxi to the fuel pump. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472765#472765 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.