---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/29/17: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 07:31 AM - Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! (Matt Dralle) 1. 08:12 AM - Spay Latex on Aluminum (Michael Perez) 2. 08:33 AM - Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum (Steven Dortch) 3. 08:52 AM - Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum (Glen Schweizer) 4. 08:52 AM - Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum (Michael Perez) 5. 11:25 AM - Re: Main Gear Spring Design (Harvey Plummer) 6. 11:43 AM - Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum (goffelectric@comcast.net) 7. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Spring Design (vk3eka@bigpond.net.au) 8. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Spring Design (Steven Dortch) 9. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Spring Design (Steven Dortch) 10. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Spring Design (Steven Dortch) 11. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Spring Design (Kip Gardner) 12. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Spring Design (Peter Johnson) 13. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Spring Design (Kip Gardner) 14. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Spring Design (Steven Dortch) 15. 08:44 PM - Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum (Steven Dortch) 16. 08:47 PM - Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum (Steven Dortch) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:06 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! 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Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:27 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum =C2-Hello crew. It's been a long time.=C2- I am curious if anyone has s prayed latex paint on aluminum, (bar, sheet, other aircraft) and if so how has it held up? I brushed latex paint on my fabric and I know others have s prayed it on their fabric, but I am curious if anyone has sprayed latex pai nt on aluminum. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:36 AM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum Yes, I primed it with self etching primer and sprayed latex on. No flying yet, but it has held up to moves and handling well. On Nov 29, 2017 10:15 AM, "Michael Perez" wrote: > > Hello crew. It's been a long time. I am curious if anyone has sprayed > latex paint on aluminum, (bar, sheet, other aircraft) and if so how has it > held up? I brushed latex paint on my fabric and I know others have sprayed > it on their fabric, but I am curious if anyone has sprayed latex paint on > aluminum. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:02 AM PST US From: Glen Schweizer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum If sprayed over epoxy primer you should be ok. Don=99t use over self e tching prime as some latex pigments will react with acid and either change c olor or bleed through. Follow proper prep procedures for your epoxy primer o ver aluminum or it won=99t adhere > On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > > Hello crew. It's been a long time. I am curious if anyone has sprayed lat ex paint on aluminum, (bar, sheet, other aircraft) and if so how has it held up? I brushed latex paint on my fabric and I know others have sprayed it on their fabric, but I am curious if anyone has sprayed latex paint on aluminu m. > > > ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== ========================== =============== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:34 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or flat? Water based? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design From: "Harvey Plummer" So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voort design I referred to? Thanks. -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:05 AM PST US From: goffelectric@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum Check out the Wiener Dog Aero site, he goes into great detail on his process. I used his process on the aluminum and it works great. Thanks, Keith Goff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Perez" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49:39 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or flat? Water based? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:22 PM PST US From: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design The same as the construction on WW=99s site. Cheers Peter Get Outlook for iOS On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:21 AM +1100, "Harvey Plummer" wrote: So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voor t design I referred to? Thanks. -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:29 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever. On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: > Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to > man. > > On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote: > >> The same as the construction on WW=99s site. >> >> Cheers >> >> Peter >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:21 AM +1100, "Harvey Plummer" < >> plummerharvey@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voort design I referred to? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -------- >>> Harv, 485PB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:40 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design Another drawing. The measurements are in furlongs, cubits and pecks. On Nov 29, 2017 7:47 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: > Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever. > > On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" > wrote: > >> Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to >> man. >> >> On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote: >> >>> The same as the construction on WW=99s site. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> Get Outlook for iOS >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:21 AM +1100, "Harvey Plummer" < >>> plummerharvey@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voort design I referred to? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Harv, 485PB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:18 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design One more. On Nov 29, 2017 7:49 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: > Another drawing. The measurements are in furlongs, cubits and pecks. > > On Nov 29, 2017 7:47 PM, "Steven Dortch" > wrote: > >> Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever. >> >> On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" >> wrote: >> >>> Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to >>> man. >>> >>> On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> The same as the construction on WW=99s site. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> Get Outlook for iOS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:21 AM +1100, "Harvey Plummer" < >>>> plummerharvey@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van de r Voort design I referred to? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Harv, 485PB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:24 PM PST US From: Kip Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design Once finished, is the interior lubricated/greased/protected from corrosion in any way? Also, it would appear that the spring has to be shorter than the can, how do you determine by how much, or am I looking at it wrong? Overall, I like the idea much better than the other spring designs I=99ve seen. Kip Gardner > On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: > > Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever. > > On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" > wrote: > Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to man. > > On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, > wrote: > The same as the construction on WW=99s site. > > Cheers > > Peter > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:21 AM +1100, "Harvey Plummer" > wrote: > > > So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voort design I referred to? > > Thanks. > > -------- > Harv, 485PB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design From: Peter Johnson Kip, The spring is 6 inches long, I made the tube 6 1/4 inches to take into acco unt the welded cap on the end. I added another spacer to the top of the cap to provide a bit more of a gap so that nothing was damaged when welding the top cap. The cap, spacer and weld are slightly thicker that the 1/4 inch so I compressed the spring very slightly when I welded on the top cap. A little bit of compression stops any rattles when no load is applied. I painted the long tube before welding the top cap in place. I intend to sq uirt some oil in the rod end hole (top) every now and again (say every annua l) to stop the corrosion. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com From: on behalf of Kip Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design Once finished, is the interior lubricated/greased/protected from corrosion in any way? Also, it would appear that the spring has to be shorter than th e can, how do you determine by how much, or am I looking at it wrong? Overa ll, I like the idea much better than the other spring designs I=99ve seen. Kip Gardner On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Steven Dortch wrot e: Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever. On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to man .. On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote: The same as the construction on WW=99s site. Cheers Peter Get Outlook for iOS On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:21 AM +1100, "Harvey Plummer" wrote: So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voor t design I referred to? Thanks. -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:33 PM PST US From: Kip Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design Peter, Thanks, that all makes perfect sense, even to me :) ! Kip > On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Peter Johnson wrote: > > Kip, > > The spring is 6 inches long, I made the tube 6 1/4 inches to take into account the welded cap on the end. I added another spacer to the top of the cap to provide a bit more of a gap so that nothing was damaged when welding the top cap. The cap, spacer and weld are slightly thicker that the 1/4 inch so I compressed the spring very slightly when I welded on the top cap. A little bit of compression stops any rattles when no load is applied. > > I painted the long tube before welding the top cap in place. I intend to squirt some oil in the rod end hole (top) every now and again (say every annual) to stop the corrosion. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > > > From: > on behalf of Kip Gardner > > > Date: Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 1:14 pm > To: > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design > > Once finished, is the interior lubricated/greased/protected from corrosion in any way? Also, it would appear that the spring has to be shorter than the can, how do you determine by how much, or am I looking at it wrong? Overall, I like the idea much better than the other spring designs I=99ve seen. > > Kip Gardner > > On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote: > > Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever. > > On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" > wrote: > Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to man. > > On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, > wrote: > The same as the construction on WW=99s site. > > Cheers > > Peter > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:21 AM +1100, "Harvey Plummer" > wrote: > > > So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voort design I referred to? > > Thanks. > > -------- > Harv, 485PB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:15 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design The spring is under compression. When we welded one, either a drop of slag got in the way or there was a tiny weld to the spring. No movement. I fixed it by chaining it between two truck bumpers and giving it a jerk. It worked .. Everything was painted. Then before installing them on the plane, I soaked the inside with corrosion-X and LPS 3. They will be bathed in exhaust heat and engine oil each flight. On Nov 29, 2017 8:50 PM, "Kip Gardner" wrote: Peter, Thanks, that all makes perfect sense, even to me :) ! Kip On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Peter Johnson wrote: Kip, The spring is 6 inches long, I made the tube 6 1/4 inches to take into account the welded cap on the end. I added another spacer to the top of the cap to provide a bit more of a gap so that nothing was damaged when welding the top cap. The cap, spacer and weld are slightly thicker that the 1/4 inch so I compressed the spring very slightly when I welded on the top cap. A little bit of compression stops any rattles when no load is applied. I painted the long tube before welding the top cap in place. I intend to squirt some oil in the rod end hole (top) every now and again (say every annual) to stop the corrosion. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com *From: * on behalf of Kip Gardner *Date: *Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 1:14 pm *To: * *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design Once finished, is the interior lubricated/greased/protected from corrosion in any way? Also, it would appear that the spring has to be shorter than the can, how do you determine by how much, or am I looking at it wrong? Overall, I like the idea much better than the other spring designs I =99ve seen. Kip Gardner On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever. On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to man .. On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote: The same as the construction on WW=99s site. Cheers Peter Get Outlook for iOS On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:21 AM +1100, "Harvey Plummer" < plummerharvey@yahoo.com> wrote: So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voort design I referred to? Thanks. -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:41 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum Exterior paint. I bought from Sherwin Williams. Next time Behr from the Aviation section at home depot or Lowe's. On Nov 29, 2017 2:02 PM, wrote: Check out the Wiener Dog Aero site, he goes into great detail on his process. I used his process on the aluminum and it works great. Thanks, Keith Goff ------------------------------ *From: *"Michael Perez" *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com *Sent: *Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49:39 AM *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or flat? Water based? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:20 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum Oh yeah. Gloss looks great but shows every flaw. Flat hides all flaws, but looks, well, flat. I used semigloss. On high wear areas. I used rattlecan enamel. Blue skies. On Nov 29, 2017 10:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: > Exterior paint. I bought from Sherwin Williams. Next time Behr from the > Aviation section at home depot or Lowe's. > > On Nov 29, 2017 2:02 PM, wrote: > > Check out the Wiener Dog Aero site, he goes into great detail on his > process. I used his process on the aluminum and it works great. > > Thanks, > Keith Goff > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Michael Perez" > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49:39 AM > *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum > > > Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or flat? > Water based? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.