---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/31/17: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (danoliver) 2. 07:00 AM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Vincent Dunn) 3. 07:25 AM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (planes&bikes) 4. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Gerrit-Jan Kaal) 5. 09:54 AM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (john francis) 6. 11:15 AM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (taildrags) 7. 11:24 AM - landing the Piet (taildrags) 8. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? ((null) raykrause) 9. 02:12 PM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (GRAHAM JOHN HANSEN) 10. 03:11 PM - Re: landing the Piet (Keith Goff) 11. 03:45 PM - Re: landing the Piet (taildrags) 12. 04:00 PM - Re: landing the Piet (Boatright, Jeffrey) 13. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Steven Dortch) 14. 05:17 PM - Re: landing the Piet (Keith Goff) 15. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: landing the Piet ((null) raykrause) 16. 07:52 PM - Re: landing the Piet (taildrags) 17. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: landing the Piet (Steven Dortch) 18. 09:48 PM - Re: landing the Piet (taildrags) 19. 09:54 PM - TC Piet (oldbird) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? From: "danoliver" I check all three weekly. Each has it's merits. I like Facebook for events, progress reports and tidbits. I enjoy the discussions on the BPA site. It's great for inspiration and motivation. This page is my go to for technical questions, how-tos and what-fors, and of course help deciding which improvements not to make (all of them it seems). -------- Dan O Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476915#476915 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? From: Vincent Dunn I'm still here! I have found this site and the West coast Piet site really valuable during my build process. I often mine the collected posts for ideas and solutions though I seldom leave a post myself. I don't DO FB either. FB doesn't seem to work with my flip phone..... Vincent Dunn, Salem OR Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? From: "planes&bikes" I'm happy to see 11 messages today, hopefully ending the "dry spell"! I never posted much - maybe 10 times - but I read it faithfully during my 6 year build, and still check it perhaps weekly. As I stated in my 7/20/16 post, this is THE SITE for builders, unmatched for personal interactions with other builders/owners and the archival materials which will answer most any question a builder may confront - try to find that on FACEBOOK! In my opinion, this Site, Peter Johnson's Build & Photo Log, and WestCoastPiets are the three indispensable guides for PIETENPOL builders. Don Youngblood Easley, SC AirCamper N41YB A75 power, 72X42 Sensenich prop -------- Planes&Bikes Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476919#476919 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:30 AM PST US From: Gerrit-Jan Kaal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? +1 :-) On 31 Dec 2017 16:26, "planes&bikes" wrote: > > > > I'm happy to see 11 messages today, hopefully ending the "dry spell"! I > never posted much - maybe 10 times - but I read it faithfully during my 6 > year build, and still check it perhaps weekly. As I stated in my 7/20/16 > post, this is THE SITE for builders, unmatched for personal interactions > with other builders/owners and the archival materials which will answer > most any question a builder may confront - try to find that on FACEBOOK! > In my opinion, this Site, Peter Johnson's Build & Photo Log, and > WestCoastPiets are the three indispensable guides for PIETENPOL builders. > > Don Youngblood > Easley, SC > AirCamper N41YB > A75 power, 72X42 Sensenich prop > > -------- > Planes&Bikes > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476919#476919 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? From: "john francis" Good to see some activity here. Facebook is great but i dont think we have a search feature like this list? Ill participate more here if it stays active. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476924#476924 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? From: "taildrags" Charles: it takes you half a day to read my posts because I enjoy writing. However, they say you can delete every other letter in a word and your brain still sees enough of it to make sense. Maybe I'll try doing that and you'll be able to get through my posts in a quarter of a day ;o) Jeff B.: you say you haven't been as focused on the Piet. Have you thought about seeing an ophthalmologist about that focus problem? Steve D.: you find yourself on the Facebook page every day? And to think there are people going to psychiatrists and doing transcendental meditation for years in order to try to find themselves, and here you do it just by going to Facebook! Don Y.: I agree with your short list of indispensible guides to Pietenpoling, but I sure miss seeing Mike Cuy's excellent video "The Building & Flying of NX48MC" on the list. Wish he would continue making it available since it is instructional, inspirational, and entertaining, all in one. John F.: the BPA Pietenpol list admin, Pat Weeden, was trying to work with Matt Dralle, who of course is the admin of Matronics, to link the BPA site to the Matronics archives so as not to lose all of that good information and searchability. However, there are quite a number of lists on Matronics that see little activity but continue to be archived and supported by Matt year after year. For that reason, I never hesitate to send $$ to Matronics every year so I can "mine" the archives and use the search engine as well. I joined this list 16 years ago... 9/25/01... and had made 1,549 posts since joining. About 100 a year, or two a week on average. Sounds about right. I guess this one makes it 1,550 to end 2017 and kick off Year Seventeen on this list. And Charles: at the rate of a half-day to read each of my posts, you will have spent 775 days reading my posts. TWO YEARS!!! ;o) Thanks, fellows and gals. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476926#476926 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing the Piet From: "taildrags" Keith: you say you got your tailwheel endorsement in a Cessna 120 but that didn't quite prepare you for landing the Piet. Now that you've gotten some time in your Piet, what would you say was the biggest difference between landing the 120 and landing the Piet? Was it just the sensory overload of the Piet coming down on final in an open cockpit tandem-seat aircraft as opposed to the 120 in an enclosed cabin with side-by-side seating, or perhaps the difference in airspeed control on final of one vs. the other, or perhaps even just the yokes-vs-sticks controls? Just curious. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476927#476927 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:23 PM PST US From: "(null) raykrause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? You damn engineers! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Dec 31, 2017, at 11:15 AM, taildrags wrote: Charles: it takes you half a day to read my posts because I enjoy writing. However, they say you can delete every other letter in a word and your brain still sees enough of it to make sense. Maybe I'll try doing that and you'll be able to get through my posts in a quarter of a day ;o) Jeff B.: you say you haven't been as focused on the Piet. Have you thought about seeing an ophthalmologist about that focus problem? Steve D.: you find yourself on the Facebook page every day? And to think there are people going to psychiatrists and doing transcendental meditation for years in order to try to find themselves, and here you do it just by going to Facebook! Don Y.: I agree with your short list of indispensible guides to Pietenpoling, but I sure miss seeing Mike Cuy's excellent video "The Building & Flying of NX48MC" on the list. Wish he would continue making it available since it is instructional, inspirational, and entertaining, all in one. John F.: the BPA Pietenpol list admin, Pat Weeden, was trying to work with Matt Dralle, who of course is the admin of Matronics, to link the BPA site to the Matronics archives so as not to lose all of that good information and searchability. However, there are quite a number of lists on Matronics that see little activity but continue to be archived and supported by Matt year after year. For that reason, I never hesitate to send $$ to Matronics every year so I can "mine" the archives and use the search engine as well. I joined this list 16 years ago... 9/25/01... and had made 1,549 posts since joining. About 100 a year, or two a week on average. Sounds about right. I guess this one makes it 1,550 to end 2017 and kick off Year Seventeen on this list. And Charles: at the rate of a half-day to read each of my posts, you will have spent 775 days reading my posts. TWO YEARS!!! ;o) Thanks, fellows and gals. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476926#476926 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:23 PM PST US From: GRAHAM JOHN HANSEN Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? Oscar, I am glad that you have gotten the attention of members of this list! Last month I contributed a modest amount of $ (as usual) to keep things going and lamented, in the space provided, the low level of activity during the last few months. I joined the list away back when Steve E. was managing it and have belonged to it ever since and I have always thought it was a valuable device for the exchange of ideas and expertise gained through experience. And there is the social factor, too, which is nice to have. Since I donated my Pietenpol to a local museum about four years ago, I have contributed few posts and guess I am just a "lurker" nowadays. I still enjoy hearing about people building and flying their Pietenpols, and I hope they have as much fun as I had with mine for nearly 43 years! Cheers, Graham Hansen (Built and enjoyed Pietenpol CF-AUN for a long time.) Camrose, Alberta, Canada On 12/30/17 01:59 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to posts on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total, and in the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two. Members of this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members can voice their opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking if this list continues to have value to anyone who's still here, but the question answers itself since you'll only see the question if you're still here ;o) > > I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the Facebook Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn too much time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue to hang out here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More building and more low 'n' slow flying, I hope-! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:44 PM PST US From: Keith Goff Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing the Piet Oscar, I think it was a combination of it all. My brain definitely tried to default to, power in right hand and pitch in the left, many times. The biggest thing though was in the 120 you pull power all the way out abeam the numbers on down wind, if you do that in the Piet your gonna land on down wind. I had quite a few embarrassing and scary landings from pulling the power out on final or even in the flare. Finally figured out if I leave about 1500rpm in on the corvair it will just settle down to the runway after you flare.If I land straight and pull power off it rolls out straight and true and only lasts a few seconds. Thanks, Keith > On December 31, 2017 at 2:24 PM taildrags wrote: > > > > Keith: you say you got your tailwheel endorsement in a Cessna 120 but that didn't quite prepare you for landing the Piet. Now that you've gotten some time in your Piet, what would you say was the biggest difference between landing the 120 and landing the Piet? Was it just the sensory overload of the Piet coming down on final in an open cockpit tandem-seat aircraft as opposed to the 120 in an enclosed cabin with side-by-side seating, or perhaps the difference in airspeed control on final of one vs. the other, or perhaps even just the yokes-vs-sticks controls? Just curious. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476927#476927 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing the Piet From: "taildrags" Keith; I get it now, yes. If I fly a traditional, conventional wide rectangular traffic pattern at my home airport (which has an 8800' runway that is 150' wide), if I pull the power abeam the numbers on downwind, I'll certainly be landing it on downwind! So, if there's no traffic and I'm cleared to land when I'm abeam the numbers, I'll pull power and commence a circling descent to the numbers without squaring off the corners. It will feel like I'm too high and too fast at first, but as I circle the airplane will come right on down if I hold 55-60 (depending on the wind). If there's other traffic, I'll just fly a conventional pattern with long legs and square corners and I'll hold power on, maybe 1700-1800, till established on final and able to judge "high or low? fast or slow?" and make adjustments. I also have the nice option of landing long at my home field, since my hangar is 'way down at the far end of Rwy 32. I can keep power in, maintain a few hundred feet off the runway till I'm well down it and past the turnoff to the main terminal, then ease the power off and put it down closer to my hangar. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476932#476932 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:51 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing the Piet Hm. I pull power all the way back abeam the numbers in my Piet. Maybe the difference is pattern altitude between our two airports. Ours is 1000 AGL. If youre interested, Ive got lots of Piet videos up on Youtube showing my patterns, fwiw. Happy New Year! Jeff -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Core Director & Research Biologist Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation -----Original Message----- From: on behalf of Keith Goff Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing the Piet Oscar, I think it was a combination of it all. My brain definitely tried to default to, power in right hand and pitch in the left, many times. The biggest thing though was in the 120 you pull power all the way out abeam the numbers on down wind, if you do that in the Piet your gonna land on down wind. I had quite a few embarrassing and scary landings from pulling the power out on final or even in the flare. Finally figured out if I leave about 1500rpm in on the corvair it will just settle down to the runway after you flare.If I land straight and pull power off it rolls out straight and true and only lasts a few seconds. Thanks, Keith On December 31, 2017 at 2:24 PM taildrags wrote: Keith: you say you got your tailwheel endorsement in a Cessna 120 but that didn't quite prepare you for landing the Piet. Now that you've gotten some time in your Piet, what would you say was the biggest difference between landing the 120 and landing the Piet? Was it just the sensory overload of the Piet coming down on final in an open cockpit tandem-seat aircraft as opposed to the 120 in an enclosed cabin with side-by-side seating, or perhaps the difference in airspeed control on final of one vs. the other, or perhaps even just the yokes-vs-sticks controls? Just curious. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/ol-List" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronicss.matronics.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forumnoopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio============= ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. 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That will put me at 1500'! Don't you need supplemental oxygen at t hose altitudes......Any way I'm definitely still learning. I've watched som e of your videos, I'll have another look now that I have some time in the p lane. Happy New Year! Keith > On December 31, 2017 at 7:00 PM "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote: > > > > Hm. I pull power all the way back abeam the numbers in my Piet. Maybe the difference is pattern altitude between our two airports. Ours is 1000 AGL. If you=99re interested, I=99ve got lots of Piet videos up on Youtube showing my patterns, fwiw. > > Happy New Year! > > Jeff > > -- > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO > Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Core Director & Research Biologist > Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation > > > -----Original Message----- > From: on behalf of Keith Goff cs.com " > Date: Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:11 PM > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com " > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing the Piet > > > Oscar, > > > I think it was a combination of it all. My brain definitely tried to default to, power in right hand and pitch in the left, many times. The bigg est thing though was in the 120 you pull power all the way out abeam the nu mbers on down wind, if you do that in > the Piet your gonna land on down wind. I had quite a few embarrassing and scary landings from pulling the power out on final or even in the flar e. Finally figured out if I leave about 1500rpm in on the corvair it will j ust settle down to the runway after you > flare.If I land straight and pull power off it rolls out straight and true and only lasts a few seconds. > > > Thanks, > Keith > > On December 31, 2017 at 2:24 PM taildrags wrote: > > > > Keith: you say you got your tailwheel endorsement in a Cessna 120 but that didn't quite prepare you for landing the Piet. Now that you've gotten some time in your Piet, what would you say was the biggest difference betw een landing the 120 and landing the Piet? > Was it just the sensory overload of the Piet coming down on final in an open cockpit tandem-seat aircraft as opposed to the 120 in an enclosed c abin with side-by-side seating, or perhaps the difference in airspeed contr ol on final of one vs. the other, or > perhaps even just the yokes-vs-sticks controls? Just curious. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/ol-List" http://forums.matronics.com/ol-L ist rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronicss.mat ronics.com" http://www.matronicss.matronics.com rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forumnoopener > noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio= ============ > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use o f > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributi on > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > ============ ============ ============ ============ ============ > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:11 PM PST US From: "(null) raykrause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing the Piet Oscar, Great information for those of us who have never flown a Piet. I have many hours it J-3's and Aeronca. They are not quite that bad, but you just don't "cut" the power abeam the numbers.....as many of you know. But if you do, it's FUN! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Dec 31, 2017, at 3:44 PM, taildrags wrote: Keith; I get it now, yes. If I fly a traditional, conventional wide rectangular traffic pattern at my home airport (which has an 8800' runway that is 150' wide), if I pull the power abeam the numbers on downwind, I'll certainly be landing it on downwind! So, if there's no traffic and I'm cleared to land when I'm abeam the numbers, I'll pull power and commence a circling descent to the numbers without squaring off the corners. It will feel like I'm too high and too fast at first, but as I circle the airplane will come right on down if I hold 55-60 (depending on the wind). If there's other traffic, I'll just fly a conventional pattern with long legs and square corners and I'll hold power on, maybe 1700-1800, till established on final and able to judge "high or low? fast or slow?" and make adjustments. I also have the nice option of landing long at my home field, since my hangar is 'way down at the far end of Rwy 32. I can keep power in, maintain a few hundred feet off t! he runway till I'm well down it and past the turnoff to the main terminal, then ease the power off and put it down closer to my hangar. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476932#476932 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing the Piet From: "taildrags" Keith; I'm with you. I get a nosebleed just thinking about flying my Piet as high as some of these guys do ;o) Jeff; I think I've watched all the videos you've posted and have enjoyed them all, several times. So smooth on the controls and nary a bobble. I'll have to take another look and see just how far out your downwind track is from the field. On our field, I have several things to watch out for... a long line of big box stores with big parking lots on one side, and the need to stay well clear of the tower, terminal, and airport parking on the other. That puts me a pretty good way out from the runway, otherwise I would fly a tighter pattern and probably do better getting it down without power. I did it all the time back at San Geronimo in TX but that was a little uncontrolled 3000'x40' strip with nice grass on one side and one end, and I could fly as tight a pattern as I wanted (and often did). Pattern altitude now at my home field is 969' AGL. Back when I was renting a Super Cub here around 2001, we had two runways available... 14/32 and 09/27. If we went up early in the morning when there was no wind and no traffic, we could fly figure-8 patterns and get in a lot of touch-and-goes in a short time without ever getting above about 500' AGL. Take off on 32 and climb straight out, then commence a sweeping left turn onto final on 09. Land, roll out, then power up and climb out. Gain altitude, then commence a sweeping left turn onto final on 18. Or fly right patterns, or mix it up left-right. Now 09/27 is closed and we have a lot more commercial traffic, so nowadays that would never fly (pardon the pun) with our strict tower crew here. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476939#476939 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:32 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing the Piet Oscar, that carving approach sounds like the commercial pilot power off 180 to landing. The goal is to pull the power, never add power and land on target -0 or +200 feet. You do a continuous turn ensuring you don't get too low to hit the touchdown point. Being high is ok, you can slip to lose altitude or use your flaps. (Oops, not an Piet option). If you are low, you are sunk all you can do is do your best to stay at best glide and hope for an updraft. If you have to use power, you fail. On Dec 31, 2017 5:46 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > Keith; I get it now, yes. If I fly a traditional, conventional wide > rectangular traffic pattern at my home airport (which has an 8800' runway > that is 150' wide), if I pull the power abeam the numbers on downwind, I'll > certainly be landing it on downwind! So, if there's no traffic and I'm > cleared to land when I'm abeam the numbers, I'll pull power and commence a > circling descent to the numbers without squaring off the corners. It will > feel like I'm too high and too fast at first, but as I circle the airplane > will come right on down if I hold 55-60 (depending on the wind). If > there's other traffic, I'll just fly a conventional pattern with long legs > and square corners and I'll hold power on, maybe 1700-1800, till > established on final and able to judge "high or low? fast or slow?" and > make adjustments. I also have the nice option of landing long at my home > field, since my hangar is 'way down at the far end of Rwy 32. I can keep > power in, maintain a few hundred feet off t! > he runway till I'm well down it and past the turnoff to the main > terminal, then ease the power off and put it down closer to my hangar. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476932#476932 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing the Piet From: "taildrags" Steve; Here's the funny part: several times when practicing short-field landings and just trying to prove to myself how close I could put the mains right on the numbers, I've scared myself but only long enough to realize I had just made a spectacular landing. After closing the throttle abeam the numbers, determined not to add power at all costs, keep my eyes focused on a fixed aim point on the runway and make sure it doesn't move up or down in my field of view throughout the turn and round-out to final, only to realize that the airplane was settling... settling... can't pull back on the stick since I'm already right on the bottom and don't want it to fall out from under me. Hold it... hold it... don't pull up but the numbers are coming up fast-! Give up those last few tics on the airspeed indicator just as the ground comes up and she flares and 3-points just like I was a real flying ace. A scared flying ace ;o) The amazing thing is that the few times this has turned out perfectly without me chickening out and adding just a smidge of power, the mains have touched the asphalt right between the threshold and the numbers, and you can't get much closer to using every bit of runway than that! Why aim for the numbers and give up all that perfectly good runway between the threshold and the numbers? ;o) Oh, wait. Don't tell the FBO, but one time I put the tires of the 150 onto terra firma about two feet before the threshold, and the terra wasn't too firma there. In fact, the airplane made a sharp bump as the wheels rolled up over the edge onto the pavement of the runway. Then there was the time (or was it two times-?) when I re-shaped the bottom of the 150's tiedown ring by dragging it along the asphalt while using nose-high "aerodynamic braking" to kill excess speed and lift in an attempt to make the shortest landing ever made in a 150 in peacetime. At least I never wore clear through the bottom edge of the tiedown ring. Flying is so much fun, and landings are the funnest part of all! ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476941#476941 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: TC Piet From: "oldbird" Good morning from the first day of 2018. I haven't been active on the net for maybe 5 months. I updated my kitlog page just yesterday. Here are a few pictures of progress. Picture with one wing is taken outside the shop. First time in open air. The shop is so small that I cannot mount even one wing while inside. Happy building/flying to you all. 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