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1. 05:22 AM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (jarheadpilot82)
2. 05:39 AM - Project (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (simmor2)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles N. Campbell)
5. 08:17 AM - Re: TC Piet (Elizabeth Cooper)
6. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Steven Dortch)
7. 09:01 AM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (taildrags)
8. 09:13 AM - Re: Help with Spar Decision (taildrags)
9. 10:36 AM - Re: Help with Spar Decision (echobravo4)
10. 01:02 PM - Re: Help with Spar Decision (taildrags)
11. 01:33 PM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (jarheadpilot82)
12. 01:40 PM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (simmor2)
13. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Andrew Eldredge)
14. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Steven Dortch)
15. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Help with Spar Decision (Steven Dortch)
16. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Oscar (and everyone else, of course),
The internet is often a great way to share information, hence this website, but
it is often a poor place to communicate. The example I give to people is to type
the words Have a nice day. Without inflection or a face to gauge the emotion
of the message, those four words can either sound snarky or sound like a heart-felt
positive comment. And I think that is partly what happened here.
Does anyone remember the words Head Curmudgeon? For those new to the list - for
a time (a long time) there were guys who thought it humorous to use the word
curmudgeon about one of the experienced builders and flyers who participated in
the forum. His comments were often of the if it aint built like the original,
you are building it wrong. Many guys seemed to enjoy the humor and it was an
inside joke, but in my opinion all it served was to put a negative tone to things.
I spent 10 years in the Marine Corps and 30 years flying commercial jets,
so I can drown out other peoples noise and personalities pretty easily, but
I think the inside joking nature of it all made people feel like this forum was
someone elses club. That inside joke stuff would have been better to have been
sent by email and kept off the forum because it added nothing for the rest
of us who were not part of the club. Just my perception.
The other thing that I think turned people off was when a new guy would ask a question,
somebody would invariably answer, Its in the archives. Look it up. I
appreciate what Matt Drake has done with this forum but I have to be honest and
say, the design of the archives and the search function should not be his biggest
bragging point. Searching is not easy to do. It is not, in my opinion, particularly
user friendly. So I suspect that, after a number of Its in the archives.
Look it up comments, new members quit asking questions.
So how do we fix things and continue to make this forum a valuable asset to builders?
Simple. Post. Post questions, as they add to the energy of the list. Also,
post by answering the questions. The questions are the seed, the answers
are the water that cause knowledge to sprout up. Just make sure it is good info
- iaw ac 43.13 and other standards. Third, post pictures of your work. Dont
be shy. That is the value of west coast Piet.com -the great photos there of so
many great Pietenpol. It helps here as well.
Lastly, Pat Weeden has done a great job of saving an organization (one that almost
collapsed in an amazingly short period of a couple of years) by taking over
the reins of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association. We can all help in a similar
way by committing to being active participants on his forum who post as well
as encourage other builders and flyers.
Chuck, I know that this is long, but thanks for taking time to read it, as well
as the rest of you.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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I subscribe to this list even though I do not have a Piet. I have 2 friends that
do and have flown both many times in the past.
I got to fly 3 different Piets the same day years ago. I even sold a friends project
off this list.
I like to keep up with the technical points so I can help out when I can.
Keep'em Flyin
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
So, I review this list daily and read whats posted. I review all the posts on the
Face book page as well as make updates on my FB page, Rich's Pietenpol build.
Too cold at the moment to do any assembly in Middle TN. (Separate garage from House)
As far as the list ending, it doesn't get posted to as often as it used to. It
relies on the current fliers and builders to post to. FB is too easy compared
to this list so that is whats active now.
What this list does do though is let you search past subject matter that has been
posted to look for information. FB does not allow that as it does here. IF
wee feed it, it will remain useful. It's up to all of us.
I'm sure Matt wont kill the list, it just isn't getting new information. Ill try
and post my FB updates here in some form or fashion from here on out Even if
its just a link to FB.
Currently building my ribs. I have 8 completed.
Building a digital test of a composite spar is near my future, modeling what J.
Textor has done.IT is what I want to follow.
Happy building and one day to fly.
For now, enjoy flying my zenith!!
Rich Simmons
Middle TN
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Terry, when I read the comment you directed to me, I thought the post was
by taildrags, but when I scrolled down a little further I saw that it was
from you. I hope you realize that my comment to taildrags was posted in
jest -- hence the "Hi". Maybe that term is strictly a ham radio term.
Good hearing from you. Hope you have a very nice, prosperous, and happy
New Year (2018). Chuck
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:21 AM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Oscar (and everyone else, of course),
>
> The internet is often a great way to share information, hence this
> website, but it is often a poor place to communicate. The example I give
to
> people is to type the words =9CHave a nice day.=9D Without in
flection or a face
> to gauge the emotion of the message, those four words can either sound
> =98snarky=99 or sound like a heart-felt positive comment. And
I think that is
> partly what happened here.
>
> Does anyone remember the words =9CHead Curmudgeon=9D? For tho
se new to the
> list - for a time (a long time) there were guys who thought it humorous t
o
> use the word curmudgeon about one of the experienced builders and flyers
> who participated in the forum. His comments were often of the =98if
it ain=99t
> built like the original, you are building it wrong=9D. Many guys se
emed to
> enjoy the humor and it was an inside joke, but in my opinion all it serve
d
> was to put a negative tone to things. I spent 10 years in the Marine Corp
s
> and 30 years flying commercial jets, so I can drown out other people
=99s
> noise and personalities pretty easily, but I think the inside joking natu
re
> of it all made people feel like this forum was someone else=99s
=9Cclub=9D. That
> inside joke stuff would have been better to have been sent by email and
> kept off the forum because it added nothing for the rest of us who were n
ot
> part of the =9Cclub=9D. Just my perception.
>
> The other thing that I think turned people off was when a new guy would
> ask a question, somebody would invariably answer, =9CIt=99s i
n the archives.
> Look it up.=9D I appreciate what Matt Drake has done with this foru
m but I
> have to be honest and say, the design of the archives and the search
> function should not be his biggest bragging point. Searching is not easy
to
> do. It is not, in my opinion, particularly user friendly. So I suspect
> that, after a number of =9CIt=99s in the archives. Look it up
=9D comments, new
> members quit asking questions.
>
> So how do we fix things and continue to make this forum a valuable asset
> to builders? Simple. Post. Post questions, as they add to the energy of t
he
> list. Also, post by answering the questions. The questions are the seed,
> the answers are the water that cause knowledge to sprout up. Just make su
re
> it is good info - iaw ac 43.13 and other standards. Third, post pictures
of
> your work. Don=99t be shy. That is the value of west coast Piet.com
-the
> great photos there of so many great Pietenpol. It helps here as well.
>
> Lastly, Pat Weeden has done a great job of saving an organization (one
> that almost collapsed in an amazingly short period of a couple of years)
by
> taking over the reins of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association. We can all
> help in a similar way by committing to being active participants on his
> forum who post as well as encourage other builders and flyers.
>
> Chuck, I know that this is long, but thanks for taking time to read it, a
s
> well as the rest of you.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476947#476947
>
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Looking good Semih. R. Scott Bartko Low and slow with the top down
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On Mon, 1/1/18, oldbird <semihoksay@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: TC Piet
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, January 1, 2018, 12:53 AM
"oldbird" <semihoksay@gmail.com>
Good morning from the first day of
2018.
I haven't been active on the net for
maybe 5 months. I updated my kitlog page just yesterday.
Here are a few pictures of progress. Picture with one wing
is taken outside the shop. First time in open air. The shop
is so small that I cannot mount even one wing while inside.
Happy building/flying to you all.
Semih Oksay
Istanbul - Turkey
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
O have sometimes found that I can get better technical answers from this
list than the BPA list. Though it is improving. Facebook is mostly
inspiration.
OT Gotta go blow the cobwebs off. I will do a simple 1 hour flight today in
a Comanche 180. I do my commercial check ride Wednesday. Wish me well.
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call sign was
WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from way back ;o)
Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have thought and
felt.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
Rich Simmons: you mention a composite spar. By that do you mean some combination
of wood, rigid foam, and fiberglass? You mention Jack Textor's spars, but
I believe he is using a built-up I-beam like Mike Cuy and others have used...
no foam or fiberglass, just wood.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
A composite spar could still be all wood.
Plywood is technically a composite
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
Earl; got it... you are absolutely correct. I was thinking inside the box instead
of out of it ;o) I started getting excited there for a minute because I have
designed a composite spar for my Flying Squirrel, but it employs wood for
the top and bottom chords and stiffeners, then foam board infill, then bidirectional
glass cloth on both faces. A similar assembly was load tested to failure
in a jig and the results were very positive.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Chuck,
Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in jest. I dont
think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Mr. Hand,
Great comments! It is definitely easier to re-ask a question than to dig through
these archives.
I find it much more convenient to go to the Face book page and ask my questions
and the responses are generally quick and positive.
If I start a search on matronics, its difficult to get pointed answers without
reading multitude of post and bumbling through close topics. Not that I'm not
picking up knowledge points while digging but for me, it easily becomes a distraction.
Its easier to go to face book and ask that pointed question and get answers usually
in short time.
Perhaps if guys try posting questions, the ones with the first hand knowledge could
go ahead and repeat or send known links to specific subject matters. It would
really help.
Love the build process! Love the Piet.
Thanks to all that have helped me so far!
Best regards,
Rich Simmons
P.S. One day I hope to see one in person!
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
I think we may be past the prime of email lists as a way to get answers to
questions.
A relatively new development has made Q&A a more refined art. I refer to
the stack exchange network, which seems to have started with a site
dedicated to programming, (stackoverflow.com) and has more recently
launched an aviation site (aviation.stackexchange.com)
The features of these sites keep them tidy, promote the most useful
information, and make it relatively easy to find related information.
I have considered standing up similar type-specific sites, but I think it
would be better to use the larger site and use a type-specific label.
For Example, I've just posted a pietenpol related question which someone
can go answer, and the question can even be edited, for example adding the
particular designation of the Riblett airfoil:
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/47124/what-are-the-advantages-
of-the-riblett-airfoil-over-the-original-pietenpol-airfo
I think this type of format is a great way to get answers to technical
questions. I think there is an important social aspect to these lists, but
which is also served well by the facebook groups.
On Jan 1, 2018 2:34 PM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote
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Chuck,
Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in jest.
I don=99t think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Andrew, is this somewhat similar to Quora?
Steve D
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I think we may be past the prime of email lists as a way to get answers t
o
> questions.
>
> A relatively new development has made Q&A a more refined art. I refer to
> the stack exchange network, which seems to have started with a site
> dedicated to programming, (stackoverflow.com) and has more recently
> launched an aviation site (aviation.stackexchange.com)
>
> The features of these sites keep them tidy, promote the most useful
> information, and make it relatively easy to find related information.
>
> I have considered standing up similar type-specific sites, but I think it
> would be better to use the larger site and use a type-specific label.
>
> For Example, I've just posted a pietenpol related question which someone
> can go answer, and the question can even be edited, for example adding th
e
> particular designation of the Riblett airfoil:
>
> https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/
> 47124/what-are-the-advantages-of-the-riblett-airfoil-over-
> the-original-pietenpol-airfo
>
> I think this type of format is a great way to get answers to technical
> questions. I think there is an important social aspect to these lists, b
ut
> which is also served well by the facebook groups.
>
> On Jan 1, 2018 2:34 PM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Chuck,
>
> Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in
> jest. I don=99t think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
>
> Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476964#476964
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Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
"the results were very positive". But what about negative G's?
Blue Skies,
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1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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can more easily handled.
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in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
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and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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