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1. 01:01 AM - Re: Re: piet (Boatright, Jeffrey)
2. 03:31 AM - Re: Re: piet (Kip Gardner)
3. 04:44 AM - Re: Re: piet (Steven Dortch)
4. 05:04 AM - Some Continental A65 and Ford Model A parts and pieces and many tools for sale (Steven Dortch)
5. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: piet (shad bell)
6. 08:33 AM - Re: piet (taildrags)
7. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: piet (Scott Knowlton)
8. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: piet (Jack Philips)
9. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: piet (Jack Philips)
10. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: piet (Boatright, Jeffrey)
11. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: piet (Steven Dortch)
12. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: piet (Kip Gardner)
13. 02:45 PM - Fw: B: OT Grumman duck floats for sale (Steven Dortch)
14. 03:49 PM - OT Grumman duck floats (Steven Dortch)
15. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: piet (William Geipel)
16. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: piet (William Geipel)
17. 08:33 PM - Re: piet (taildrags)
18. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: piet (Steven Dortch)
19. 11:04 PM - Re: Unusual part (Clif Dawson)
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William Wynne is still going strong by all indications. Also, the other
item not mentioned, is the availability of the =985th bearing=99
assembly, which is now a standard part of the conversion and greatly
incraeses the reliability of the engine.
Kip Gardner
BTW, I have not yet put it up on Barnstormers or any other public
location, but my project is for sale, I=99ve decided that if
flying is going to be part of my life, I need a simpler project, like a
RagWing Piet. My farm (which is a pretty all-encompassing =98life
project=99 all by itself) and teaching take most of my time and
energy. If anyone is interested in a well-along project, with most of
what=99s needed to complete it as well, please get in touch for
details. located in eastern Ohio.
> On Feb 6, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jboatri@emory.edu>
wrote:
>
> I agree with Jack that a Corvair conversion can be an acceptable
powerplant. They can be made reliable and there is a large base of
experience with their use in Piets. Importantly, thus includes critical
ancillaries like fuel systems and maintenance protocols, and one-time
hurdles, such as engine mounts. I don't know if William Wynne is still
running his conversion business, but his stuff alone is massive.
>
> That said, you'll still be devoting a lot of time to rebuilding the
engine.
>
>
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> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
>
> On Feb 5, 2018, at 9:03 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Never having built an airplane, how big a deal is it to put a
different engine on? Motor mounts available or
>> Do I need to custom build one? Will an 0-200 work? 100hp would be
nice at 8=99300=99.
>>
>> Thank you all for the advice and info. Keep it coming.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 06:56, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com
<mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with Jeff=99s assessment. In addition to the
Subaru=99s reputation in Pietenpols, I know that the first fatal
crash of an RV-10 was caused by a failure of its Subaru engine. And
what Oscar Zuniga failed to mention in his post (below) is that the
reason Greg Bacon now owns John Dilatush=99s Subaru powered
Pietenpol is that John crashed it due to an engine failure with the
Soob. I don=99t know if Greg is going to continue to use that
engine or put a more proven powerplant, such as a Continental or Corvair
on it.
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>>
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
Boatright, Jeffrey
>>> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 8:22 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>>>
>>> I know of at least three locally that have failed while in the air.
I don=99t know the reasons.
>>>
>>> IMO, you are much, much better off getting the manuals and
rebuilding a Continental. Yes parts costs are high, and yes, you can
still be surprised by unexpected wear or damage, but in the end, you
have a reliable engine. With the Soobs, you have the same unknowns in
terms of previous wear or damage, but there=99s a whole bunch more
unpredictability in terms of the rebuild AND the conversion. Plus, all
of the ancillary systems will need to be worked out.
>>>
>>> I don=99t know of a single Soob installation that has worked
out well in the long run. That=99s not to say they don=99t
exist, but
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
>>> Professor of Ophthalmology
>>> Emory University School of Medicine
>>> Core Director & Research Biologist
>>> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>>>
>>>
>>> From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>> on behalf of William
Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
>>> Date: Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:11 AM
>>> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>>>
<l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> How reliable is this engine?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 21:11, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com
<mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>> wrote:
<taildrags@hotmail.com <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>>
>>>> Unless my memory is too cloudy to recall the details, my Dad's old
Navy Bluejackets' Manual had knots and splices described in it, and he
taught me the 5-tuck splice but in rope and with cord whipping, not in
cable with wire. I can only imagine what it must be like to try to
5-tuck 1/8" or 3/32" aircraft cable with your bare hands! Dad served in
the Navy in WWII as a meteorologist aboard the USS Jerauld.
>>>> But to get back to Bill about the Subaru engine for higher
altitudes, turbocharging has been done but not with the EA81 that I know
of... an EA82T is on John Dilatush's (now Greg Bacon's) Air Camper that
he flew out of Salida, CO when he owned it. Salida is at 7,083 MSL.
There are photos of it on Westcoastpiet, just go to the 'Pictures' page
and scroll down to the Js for John Dilatush.
>>>> --------
>>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>>> Medford, OR
>>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477834#477834
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477834#477834>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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OZ, I don't know if the A65 to O200 are the same mount but have read some
things on the reliable sites (Flybaby and a couple of others. that indicate
that they are the same.
Anyone looking at small engines would do well to read Harry Fenton's input
on the flybaby page.
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/engines.htm
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:47 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jack (Phillips)- sorry about my oversight in not mentioning the engine
> stoppage as being the cause of the crash of John's Subaru-powered Piet. It
> was not intentional... I'm no big champion of the Subaru. I like the
> engine design and the water cooling, and they are said to be durable
> engines in cars, but they have to be revved up to develop their rated HP
> and if you try to use the factory ignition and fuel systems, you have to
> also use their engine control module and it would be hard to find a more
> complicated and arcane setup than the Subaru ECM. There is limp-home mode
> and wires to be crossed and this jumper and that trick to get them to run
> without the car sensors and modules and O2 sensors and all the rest of
> it... definitely not for the faint of heart and not something that can
> readily be worked on in the field. "Stone simple" does not generally
> describe the injected, turbocharged Subaru engine!
>
> Steve D., regarding the Piet engine mount for the O-200, is it not the
> same mount as for the A65-75-85-C90? I have no experience with how the
> accessory case on the O-200 fits the mount for the -8 small Continentals
> that only have the mags on the rear of the engine, so I don't know how
> everything fits the mount crossmembers of the Continental mount that is
> available with the plans from the Pietenpol family. The engine mount
> bushings for all of those engines are the same, and I assume that the
> engine mounting bolt geometry is the same for all of those engines, but I
> have not studied that. The dry weight for all of those shows up as about
> 170 lbs, but of course that is highly dependent on the accessories, prop
> hub, oil tank, and other variations.
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477866#477866
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>
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Subject: | Some Continental A65 and Ford Model A parts and pieces |
and many tools for sale
Pietenpeople I am posting this for two reasons. 1. to help my buddie's
family clear his estate and 2. get these parts in front of people who will
use them.
My old Buddy Lonnie Gillespie's estate in Enid, Oklahoma will be coming up
for auction in May.
His Hangar includes a bunch of Ford Model A and T parts as well as 6 A65
continental engine cases along with a lot of parts to build up engines.
Rivets and fittings,
Two small motor mounts one Lycoming one small Continental.
He also had a workshop set up with about any tool a mechanic would want.
Engine test stands, Saws, drills, presses, hand tools, welding rigs, shear.
Many antique tools that he used.
A VW beetle project with complete new engine, tires and fenders.
A 1947 Aeronca Champ. What a great plane.
If you are interested I can tell you what I know about the things for sale.
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Steve D
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I know the rubbers are a different style on the 0-200. They have a sleeve b
ushing that runs thru the rubbers and i think cupped washers. I do believe
the mount points are the same dimensions as far as the engine mount goes.
=C2-
Shad
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On Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 7:42 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail
.com> wrote:
OZ, I don't know if the A65 to O200 are the same mount but have read some t
hings on the reliable sites (Flybaby and a couple of others. that indicate
that they are the same.
Anyone looking at small engines would do well to read Harry Fenton's input
on the flybaby page.=C2-
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/engines.htm
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:47 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jack (Phillips)- sorry about my oversight in not mentioning the engine stop
page as being the cause of the crash of John's Subaru-powered Piet.=C2- I
t was not intentional... I'm no big champion of the Subaru.=C2- I like th
e engine design and the water cooling, and they are said to be durable engi
nes in cars, but they have to be revved up to develop their rated HP and if
you try to use the factory ignition and fuel systems, you have to also use
their engine control module and it would be hard to find a more complicate
d and arcane setup than the Subaru ECM.=C2- There is limp-home mode and w
ires to be crossed and this jumper and that trick to get them to run withou
t the car sensors and modules and O2 sensors and all the rest of it... defi
nitely not for the faint of heart and not something that can readily be wor
ked on in the field.=C2- "Stone simple" does not generally describe the i
njected, turbocharged Subaru engine!
Steve D., regarding the Piet engine mount for the O-200, is it not the same
mount as for the A65-75-85-C90?=C2- I have no experience with how the ac
cessory case on the O-200 fits the mount for the -8 small Continentals that
only have the mags on the rear of the engine, so I don't know how everythi
ng fits the mount crossmembers of the Continental mount that is available w
ith the plans from the Pietenpol family.=C2- The engine mount bushings fo
r all of those engines are the same, and I assume that the engine mounting
bolt geometry is the same for all of those engines, but I have not studied
that.=C2- The dry weight for all of those shows up as about 170 lbs, but
of course that is highly dependent on the accessories, prop hub, oil tank,
and other variations.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Aircraft Spruce lists the same part number for all of these engines...
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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One of the reasons I went with a C-85 was that I measured the mount profile at
the accessory case and found it was exactly the same as an 0-200. If I choose
to upgrade to 100 Hp I could always just change out the engine with little to
no fuss with the cowl and mount.
Of course, dont trust my measuring, do your own research here.
Scott K
Covering the Piet Wings in Burlington ON Canada.
> On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:38 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Aircraft Spruce lists the same part number for all of these engines...
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477876#477876
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Regardless of what engine you will be putting on a Pietenpol, you will
need to build a mount. This ain=99t no sissy KIT
Jack Phillips
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Geipel
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
Never having built an airplane, how big a deal is it to put a different
engine on? Motor mounts available or
Do I need to custom build one? Will an 0-200 work? 100hp would be
nice at 8=99300=99.
Thank you all for the advice and info. Keep it coming.
Bill
On Feb 5, 2018, at 06:56, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com
<mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com> > wrote:
I agree with Jeff=99s assessment. In addition to the
Subaru=99s reputation in Pietenpols, I know that the first fatal
crash of an RV-10 was caused by a failure of its Subaru engine. And
what Oscar Zuniga failed to mention in his post (below) is that the
reason Greg Bacon now owns John Dilatush=99s Subaru powered
Pietenpol is that John crashed it due to an engine failure with the
Soob. I don=99t know if Greg is going to continue to use that
engine or put a more proven powerplant, such as a Continental or Corvair
on it.
Jack Phillips
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
I know of at least three locally that have failed while in the air. I
don=99t know the reasons.
IMO, you are much, much better off getting the manuals and rebuilding a
Continental. Yes parts costs are high, and yes, you can still be
surprised by unexpected wear or damage, but in the end, you have a
reliable engine. With the Soobs, you have the same unknowns in terms of
previous wear or damage, but there=99s a whole bunch more
unpredictability in terms of the rebuild AND the conversion. Plus, all
of the ancillary systems will need to be worked out.
I don=99t know of a single Soob installation that has worked out
well in the long run. That=99s not to say they don=99t
exist, but
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Core Director & Research Biologist
Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
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owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of William Geipel <
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com> l129bs@gmail.com>
pietenpol-list@matronics.com" < <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
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How reliable is this engine?
On Feb 4, 2018, at 21:11, taildrags < <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>
taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
<mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com> taildrags@hotmail.com>
Unless my memory is too cloudy to recall the details, my Dad's old Navy
Bluejackets' Manual had knots and splices described in it, and he taught
me the 5-tuck splice but in rope and with cord whipping, not in cable
with wire. I can only imagine what it must be like to try to 5-tuck
1/8" or 3/32" aircraft cable with your bare hands! Dad served in the
Navy in WWII as a meteorologist aboard the USS Jerauld.
But to get back to Bill about the Subaru engine for higher altitudes,
turbocharging has been done but not with the EA81 that I know of... an
EA82T is on John Dilatush's (now Greg Bacon's) Air Camper that he flew
out of Salida, CO when he owned it. Salida is at 7,083 MSL. There are
photos of it on Westcoastpiet, just go to the 'Pictures' page and scroll
down to the Js for John Dilatush.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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When I changed the engine on my old Cessna 140 from a C85 to an O-200, I had
to install a new mount.
Jack Phillips
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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65 to 85 are the same case by in large. There was some change from teh 85
to the C90 and O200. I cant remember which one that is Not a great (still
good) the 85 or 90.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jboatri@emory.edu>
wrote:
> Hm. When we exchanged the A-65 for a C-85, the same mount worked.
>
>
> --
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
>
> Professor of Ophthalmology
>
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
> Core Director & Research Biologist
>
> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>
>
> *From: *<owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of Jack
> Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 3:19 PM
> *To: *"pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject: *RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>
>
> jack@bedfordlandings.com>
>
>
> When I changed the engine on my old Cessna 140 from a C85 to an O-200, I
> had
>
> to install a new mount.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of taildrags
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:34 AM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>
>
>
> --> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Aircraft Spruce lists the same part number for all of these engines...
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477876#477876
>
>
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For those interested in Corvairs, William Wynne is still going strong by
all indications. Also, an item not mentioned, is the availability of
the =985th bearing=99 assembly, which is now a standard part
of the conversion and greatly incraeses the reliability of the engine.
Kip Gardner
BTW, I have not yet put it up on Barnstormers or any other public
location, but my project is for sale, I=99ve decided that if
flying is going to be part of my life, I need a simpler project, like a
RagWing Piet. My farm (which is a pretty all-encompassing =98life
project=99 all by itself) and teaching take most of my time and
energy. If anyone is interested in a well-along project, with most of
what=99s needed to complete it as well, please get in touch for
details. Includes a torn-down Corvair (done at Corvair College #7 under
WW supervision) with some of the work towards the rebuild started.
Located in eastern Ohio.
> On Feb 6, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> 65 to 85 are the same case by in large. There was some change from teh
85 to the C90 and O200. I cant remember which one that is Not a great
(still good) the 85 or 90.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jboatri@emory.edu
<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>> wrote:
> Hm. When we exchanged the A-65 for a C-85, the same mount worked.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
>
> Professor of Ophthalmology
>
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
> Core Director & Research Biologist
>
> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>
>
>
>
>
> From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>> on behalf of Jack
Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com <mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com>>
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 3:19 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>
>
>
<jack@bedfordlandings.com <mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com>>
>
>
>
> When I changed the engine on my old Cessna 140 from a C85 to an O-200,
I had
>
> to install a new mount.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
taildrags
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:34 AM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>
>
>
>
> --> <taildrags@hotmail.com <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>>
>
>
>
> Aircraft Spruce lists the same part number for all of these engines...
>
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477876#477876
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477876#477876>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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> http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Fwd: B: OT Grumman duck floats for sale |
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Steven Dortch via beech-owners" <beech-owners@beechcraft.org>
Subject: B: OT Grumman duck floats for sale
Cc: "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
There are a pair of Grumman duck floats in my buddy's estate . If y'all
know of someone doing a restoration let them know. I heard one guy is
hoping to get them to turn into rides for a Shriners kids train
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There are a pair of Grumman duck floats in my buddy's estate . If y'all
know of someone doing a restoration let them know. I heard one guy is
hoping to get them to turn into rides for a Shriners kids train
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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And a new cowling I suppose.
> On Feb 6, 2018, at 13:16, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
wrote:
>
> Regardless of what engine you will be putting on a Pietenpol, you will
need to build a mount. This ain=99t no sissy KIT
>
> Jack Phillips
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of William
Geipel
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 9:00 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>
> Never having built an airplane, how big a deal is it to put a
different engine on? Motor mounts available or
> Do I need to custom build one? Will an 0-200 work? 100hp would be
nice at 8=99300=99.
>
> Thank you all for the advice and info. Keep it coming.
>
> Bill
>
>
>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 06:56, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com
<mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Jeff=99s assessment. In addition to the
Subaru=99s reputation in Pietenpols, I know that the first fatal
crash of an RV-10 was caused by a failure of its Subaru engine. And
what Oscar Zuniga failed to mention in his post (below) is that the
reason Greg Bacon now owns John Dilatush=99s Subaru powered
Pietenpol is that John crashed it due to an engine failure with the
Soob. I don=99t know if Greg is going to continue to use that
engine or put a more proven powerplant, such as a Continental or Corvair
on it.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
Boatright, Jeffrey
>> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 8:22 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>>
>> I know of at least three locally that have failed while in the air. I
don=99t know the reasons.
>>
>> IMO, you are much, much better off getting the manuals and rebuilding
a Continental. Yes parts costs are high, and yes, you can still be
surprised by unexpected wear or damage, but in the end, you have a
reliable engine. With the Soobs, you have the same unknowns in terms of
previous wear or damage, but there=99s a whole bunch more
unpredictability in terms of the rebuild AND the conversion. Plus, all
of the ancillary systems will need to be worked out.
>>
>> I don=99t know of a single Soob installation that has worked
out well in the long run. That=99s not to say they don=99t
exist, but
>>
>> --
>> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
>> Professor of Ophthalmology
>> Emory University School of Medicine
>> Core Director & Research Biologist
>> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>>
>>
>> From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>> on behalf of William
Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
>> Date: Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:11 AM
>> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>>
<l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>>
>>
>> How reliable is this engine?
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 21:11, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com
<mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>> wrote:
<taildrags@hotmail.com <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>>
>>> Unless my memory is too cloudy to recall the details, my Dad's old
Navy Bluejackets' Manual had knots and splices described in it, and he
taught me the 5-tuck splice but in rope and with cord whipping, not in
cable with wire. I can only imagine what it must be like to try to
5-tuck 1/8" or 3/32" aircraft cable with your bare hands! Dad served in
the Navy in WWII as a meteorologist aboard the USS Jerauld.
>>> But to get back to Bill about the Subaru engine for higher
altitudes, turbocharging has been done but not with the EA81 that I know
of... an EA82T is on John Dilatush's (now Greg Bacon's) Air Camper that
he flew out of Salida, CO when he owned it. Salida is at 7,083 MSL.
There are photos of it on Westcoastpiet, just go to the 'Pictures' page
and scroll down to the Js for John Dilatush.
>>> --------
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Medford, OR
>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477834#477834
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477834#477834>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>> http://wiki.matronics.com <http://wiki.matronics.com/>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
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but I=99m going from a Subaru to ???. Nothing will match.
> On Feb 6, 2018, at 14:15, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> 65 to 85 are the same case by in large. There was some change from teh
85 to the C90 and O200. I cant remember which one that is Not a great
(still good) the 85 or 90.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jboatri@emory.edu
<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>> wrote:
> Hm. When we exchanged the A-65 for a C-85, the same mount worked.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
>
> Professor of Ophthalmology
>
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
> Core Director & Research Biologist
>
> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>
>
>
>
>
> From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>> on behalf of Jack
Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com <mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com>>
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 3:19 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>
>
>
<jack@bedfordlandings.com <mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com>>
>
>
>
> When I changed the engine on my old Cessna 140 from a C85 to an O-200,
I had
>
> to install a new mount.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
taildrags
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:34 AM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet
>
>
>
>
> --> <taildrags@hotmail.com <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>>
>
>
>
> Aircraft Spruce lists the same part number for all of these engines...
>
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477876#477876
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477876#477876>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>
>
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> Steve D
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Steve; the change in the small Continentals came when the A series went to the
C series. The A series engines are all 171 cu.in. (bore 3.875", stroke 3.625")
and got different horsepower ratings from 50 to 80 depending on compression
ratio and RPM, plus other tweaks here and there. The A80 is the slug of the bunch
and is not often seen, the pistons having 5 rings vs 3 on the smaller siblings,
so those have higher friction drag and a higher parts count. The A80 puts
out its rated power at 2700 RPM, so coupled with more rings on each piston
and heavier pistons, they develop more heat and friction at rated output. By
contrast the C85 puts out its rated power at a much more modest 2575 RPM, so
in this power range the C75 and C85 are much favored over the A80.
The early C series, the 75 and 85, are 188 cu.in. displacement by virtue of the
bore increasing to 4.0625" over the A series engines.
The later C series, the C90 and O200, also have the 4.0625" bore but the stroke
is increased to 3.88". From these details you can see how some parts interchange
between all of these models, a few interchange between several models, and
a few only interchange with a few. You mention one of these engines being not
as favored as another, and that would probably be the C85 vs its cousin the
C90. The C85 puts out its rated power at 2575 RPM whereas the C90 puts out its
rated power at a lower 2475 RPM and develops its best torque at a better operating
point due to a different cam. The C90 is said to be the choice for airplanes
operating on floats and using small Continentals.
As you can well imagine, differences occurred all along the way as electrical systems,
starters, fuel pumps, vacuum pumps, and various other accessories were
designed to be fitted to these engines by the factory. It's fun to study all
of these variations if you're an engine nut like I am (or wannabe, anyway!)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Oscar, what is parts interchangeableity between the A and C?
On Feb 6, 2018 10:34 PM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Steve; the change in the small Continentals came when the A series went to
> the C series. The A series engines are all 171 cu.in. (bore 3.875",
> stroke 3.625") and got different horsepower ratings from 50 to 80 depending
> on compression ratio and RPM, plus other tweaks here and there. The A80 is
> the slug of the bunch and is not often seen, the pistons having 5 rings vs
> 3 on the smaller siblings, so those have higher friction drag and a higher
> parts count. The A80 puts out its rated power at 2700 RPM, so coupled with
> more rings on each piston and heavier pistons, they develop more heat and
> friction at rated output. By contrast the C85 puts out its rated power at
> a much more modest 2575 RPM, so in this power range the C75 and C85 are
> much favored over the A80.
>
> The early C series, the 75 and 85, are 188 cu.in. displacement by virtue
> of the bore increasing to 4.0625" over the A series engines.
>
> The later C series, the C90 and O200, also have the 4.0625" bore but the
> stroke is increased to 3.88". From these details you can see how some
> parts interchange between all of these models, a few interchange between
> several models, and a few only interchange with a few. You mention one of
> these engines being not as favored as another, and that would probably be
> the C85 vs its cousin the C90. The C85 puts out its rated power at 2575
> RPM whereas the C90 puts out its rated power at a lower 2475 RPM and
> develops its best torque at a better operating point due to a different
> cam. The C90 is said to be the choice for airplanes operating on floats
> and using small Continentals.
>
> As you can well imagine, differences occurred all along the way as
> electrical systems, starters, fuel pumps, vacuum pumps, and various other
> accessories were designed to be fitted to these engines by the factory.
> It's fun to study all of these variations if you're an engine nut like I am
> (or wannabe, anyway!)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477891#477891
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Unusual part |
These are the folks that are everything Dehaviland.
If they can't help you then not even Heaven can!
https://www.vikingair.com/
Can anyone advise me on making this part? De Havilland says they have
no record of this part or the tools to install it.
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
Virus-free. www.avg.com
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