---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/24/18: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: Tailwheel steering (braywood) 2. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet (Kip Gardner) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel steering (Steven Dortch) 4. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet (Jack Textor) 5. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel steering (Steven Dortch) 6. 08:05 AM - cdlwingnut's Ragwing project (Kip Gardner) 7. 09:05 AM - Re: cdlwingnut's Ragwing project (tonyp51qa) 8. 09:39 AM - Re: cdlwingnut's Ragwing project (cdlwingnut) 9. 09:41 AM - Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet (cdlwingnut) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel steering From: "braywood" This is not a reply, but discussion on the same topic. Recently saw article about the Superstol, and it has a free-castoring, lockable tail wheel. How would this principle work on the Piet? Simpler design....? Comments please! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478223#478223 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet From: Kip Gardner Curious, since I have decided to give up my big Piet project in favor of this approach, what are you thinking of for an engine? Roger Mann is suggesting a full-case (not cut) 1/2 VW, and I think that sounds like a good idea. Kip Gardner > On Feb 23, 2018, at 10:32 PM, cdlwingnut wrote: > > > One year in on my build. So far i have built all 22 of the ribs. The vertical fin and rudder. The horizontal tail feathers. And have the fuselage in the boat stage. Still a ton to do yet but starting to look like something resembling an airplane > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478219#478219 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154428_resized_383.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154441_resized_124.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154446_resized_421.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154459_resized_520.jpg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:14 AM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel steering While the wheel is free castering your only control is prop blast over the rudder or differential braking. Your brakes must be strong and effective. You may look like you are drunk when you taxi. Once you are lined up you will have to get the plane exactly straight with the runway. When you lock the tail wheel, that is where you are going until the wheel comes up. It will require more attention to taxi and takeoff. The pietenpol setup is not complex. On Feb 24, 2018 6:05 AM, "braywood" wrote: > > This is not a reply, but discussion on the same topic. > Recently saw article about the Superstol, and it has a free-castoring, > lockable tail wheel. > How would this principle work on the Piet? Simpler design....? > Comments please! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478223#478223 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:04 AM PST US From: Jack Textor Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Very nice looking work! Jack Textor Sent from my iPad > On Feb 23, 2018, at 9:32 PM, cdlwingnut wrote: > > > One year in on my build. So far i have built all 22 of the ribs. The vertical fin and rudder. The horizontal tail feathers. And have the fuselage in the boat stage. Still a ton to do yet but starting to look like something resembling an airplane > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478219#478219 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154428_resized_383.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154441_resized_124.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154446_resized_421.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154459_resized_520.jpg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:52 AM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel steering My memory of a buddy describing his free castering, locking tailwheel. He said the dang thing would not lock up straight when you wanted it to and would not castor when you wanted it to. They do work well on a C47 because of the twin engines giving differential thrust for steering. Of course it is called Experimental aviation and people have used them sucessfully. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 7:40 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > While the wheel is free castering your only control is prop blast over the > rudder or differential braking. Your brakes must be strong and effective. > You may look like you are drunk when you taxi. > > Once you are lined up you will have to get the plane exactly straight with > the runway. When you lock the tail wheel, that is where you are going until > the wheel comes up. > > It will require more attention to taxi and takeoff. > > The pietenpol setup is not complex. > > On Feb 24, 2018 6:05 AM, "braywood" wrote: > >> >> This is not a reply, but discussion on the same topic. >> Recently saw article about the Superstol, and it has a free-castoring, >> lockable tail wheel. >> How would this principle work on the Piet? Simpler design....? >> Comments please! >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478223#478223 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: cdlwingnut's Ragwing project From: Kip Gardner Curious, since I have decided to give up my big Piet project in favor of a Ragwing project, what are you thinking of for an engine? Roger Mann is suggesting a full-case (not cut) 1/2 VW, and I think that sounds like a good idea. Kip Gardner > On Feb 23, 2018, at 10:32 PM, cdlwingnut wrote: > > > One year in on my build. So far i have built all 22 of the ribs. The vertical fin and rudder. The horizontal tail feathers. And have the fuselage in the boat stage. Still a ton to do yet but starting to look like something resembling an airplane > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478219#478219 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154428_resized_383.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154441_resized_124.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154446_resized_421.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20180223_154459_resized_520.jpg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cdlwingnut's Ragwing project From: tonyp51qa S2lwLEkndmUgZG9uZSB0aGF0IGZ1bGwgY2FzZSAxLzIgVlcgaW4gbXkgTWluaU1heC4gSXQgd2Fz IGdyZWF0LlRvbnkKCgpTZW50IHZpYSB0aGUgU2Ftc3VuZyBHYWxheHkgU8KuNiBhY3RpdmUsIGFu IEFUJlQgNEcgTFRFIHNtYXJ0cGhvbmUKLS0tLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgbWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLS0t LUZyb206IEtpcCBHYXJkbmVyIDxraXBnb2hpbzE5NTdAZ21haWwuY29tPiBEYXRlOiAyLzI0LzE4 ICAwODowNSAgKEdNVC0wODowMCkgVG86IHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gU3Vi amVjdDogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IGNkbHdpbmdudXQncyBSYWd3aW5nIHByb2plY3QgCi0tPiBQ aWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogS2lwIEdhcmRuZXIgPGtpcGdvaGlvMTk1 N0BnbWFpbC5jb20+CgpDdXJpb3VzLCBzaW5jZSBJIGhhdmUgZGVjaWRlZCB0byBnaXZlIHVwIG15 IOKAmGJpZ+KAmSBQaWV0IHByb2plY3QgaW4gZmF2b3Igb2YgYSBSYWd3aW5nIHByb2plY3QsIHdo YXQgYXJlIHlvdSB0aGlua2luZyBvZiBmb3IgYW4gZW5naW5lP8KgIFJvZ2VyIE1hbm4gaXMgc3Vn Z2VzdGluZyBhwqAgZnVsbC1jYXNlIChub3QgY3V0KSAxLzIgVlcsIGFuZCBJIHRoaW5rIHRoYXQg c291bmRzIGxpa2UgYSBnb29kIGlkZWEuCgpLaXAgR2FyZG5lcgoKPiBPbiBGZWIgMjMsIDIwMTgs IGF0IDEwOjMyIFBNLCBjZGx3aW5nbnV0IDxsZWVfY2hhZEBob3RtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4g Cj4gLS0+IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiAiY2Rsd2luZ251dCIgPGxl ZV9jaGFkQGhvdG1haWwuY29tPgo+IAo+IE9uZSB5ZWFyIGluIG9uIG15IGJ1aWxkLiBTbyBmYXIg aSBoYXZlIGJ1aWx0IGFsbCAyMiBvZiB0aGUgcmlicy4gVGhlIHZlcnRpY2FsIGZpbiBhbmQgcnVk ZGVyLiBUaGUgaG9yaXpvbnRhbCB0YWlsIGZlYXRoZXJzLiBBbmQgaGF2ZSB0aGUgZnVzZWxhZ2Ug aW4gdGhlIGJvYXQgc3RhZ2UuIFN0aWxsIGEgdG9uIHRvIGRvIHlldCBidXQgc3RhcnRpbmcgdG8g bG9vayBsaWtlIHNvbWV0aGluZyByZXNlbWJsaW5nIGFuIGFpcnBsYW5lCj4gCj4gCj4gCj4gCj4g UmVhZCB0aGlzIHRvcGljIG9ubGluZSBoZXJlOgo+IAo+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNz LmNvbS92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP3A9NDc4MjE5IzQ3ODIxOQo+IAo+IAo+IAo+IAo+IEF0dGFjaG1l bnRzOiAKPiAKPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vL2ZpbGVzLzIwMTgwMjIzXzE1 NDQyOF9yZXNpemVkXzM4My5qcGcKPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vL2ZpbGVz LzIwMTgwMjIzXzE1NDQ0MV9yZXNpemVkXzEyNC5qcGcKPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmlj cy5jb20vL2ZpbGVzLzIwMTgwMjIzXzE1NDQ0Nl9yZXNpemVkXzQyMS5qcGcKPiBodHRwOi8vZm9y dW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vL2ZpbGVzLzIwMTgwMjIzXzE1NDQ1OV9yZXNpemVkXzUyMC5qcGcK PiAKPiAKPiAKPiAKPiAKPiAKCgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT3CoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBUaGUgUGll dGVucG9sLUxpc3QgRW1haWwgRm9ydW0gLQpfLT0gVXNlIHRoZSBNYXRyb25pY3MgTGlzdCBGZWF0 dXJlcyBOYXZpZ2F0b3IgdG8gYnJvd3NlCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGllcyBzdWNo IGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLApfLT0gQXJjaGl2ZSBTZWFyY2ggJiBEb3dubG9hZCwg Ny1EYXkgQnJvd3NlLCBDaGF0LCBGQVEsCl8tPSBQaG90b3NoYXJlLCBhbmQgbXVjaCBtdWNoIG1v cmU6Cl8tPQpfLT3CoMKgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1Bp ZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0Cl8tPQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT3CoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIC0g TUFUUk9OSUNTIFdFQiBGT1JVTVMgLQpfLT0gU2FtZSBncmVhdCBjb250ZW50IGFsc28gYXZhaWxh YmxlIHZpYSB0aGUgV2ViIEZvcnVtcyEKXy09Cl8tPcKgwqAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0 cm9uaWNzLmNvbQpfLT0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBORVcg TUFUUk9OSUNTIExJU1QgV0lLSSAtCl8tPSBBZGQgc29tZSBpbmZvIHRvIHRoZSBNYXRyb25pY3Mg RW1haWwgTGlzdCBXaWtpIQpfLT3CoMKgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd2lraS5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tCl8t PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09Cl8tPcKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdlYiBT aXRlIC0KXy09wqAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhCl8tPcKgwqDC oMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLU1h dHQgRHJhbGxlLCBMaXN0IEFkbWluLgpfLT3CoMKgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5j b20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09CgoKCg= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cdlwingnut's Ragwing project From: "cdlwingnut" I am going to put a rotax 503 on mine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478234#478234 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet From: "cdlwingnut" Thank you jack. 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