---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/14/18: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:57 AM - Re: Pre buy inpection questions. (braywood) 2. 03:26 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/13/18 (Comcast) 3. 05:34 AM - Re: Pre buy inpection questions. (j_dunavin) 4. 06:08 AM - Re: Pre buy inpection questions. (Jack Philips) 5. 09:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/13/18 (dndboyd2@gmail.com) 6. 09:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/13/18 (dndboyd2@gmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pre buy inpection questions. From: "braywood" Hello J - a few questions you might ask; would you, as an A&P sign it off? Would you fly it? Would you ask someone else to fly it? Would you take your family up in it? Is it too good a deal to pass up? How much work are you willing to invest? Should you strip the covering to inspect thoroughly? Any way to contact the builder? Getting it registered is a whole other issue. my 2 cents. Mark B. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482381#482381 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:31 AM PST US From: Comcast <4rcsimmons@comcast.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/13/18 Not flying yet, still building. For the fifth bearing. Review Azalea aviation for the fifth bearing. Youll find the approach sensible. - Rich > On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:39 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 18-08-13&Archive=Pietenpol > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 18-08-13&Archive=Pietenpol > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 08/13/18: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:42 PM - Pre buy inpection questions. (j_dunavin) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:42 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pre buy inpection questions. > From: "j_dunavin" > > > I'm looking at a Piet for sale that has a corvair motor and was apparently built > per the manual. It has no 5th bearing and a Harley Davidson carb. > I suppose the right thing to do is tear it back down and verify proper modifications, > block, crank numbers, as well a getting a 5th bearing for it. > Assume nothing, right? > > Kind of related question: > The aircraft is mostly finished, covered painted, etc. It looks like a good quality > build, from what I can see in the inspection panels and whatnot. Landing > gear is metal type, with cross springs, good looking welds, supposedly from a > certified guy. > However, there is no build log, and very few pictures, like 6 maybe. No receipts, > and except for a copy of the plans and misc notes, drawings, no paperwork. > It's never been finished, no N number etc. > How would that work with an inspection? > How would an EAA tech advisor. Or whomever the guy is that gives you the certificate, > sign that off? > I'm have my A&P so even though I'm not the original builder I could work on it. > > Thoughts? > Thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482375#482375 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pre buy inpection questions. From: "j_dunavin" Unfortunately the original builder has passed away. It is a great deal, but I have no way of verifying what's under the skin, other than what I can see. It's really unfortunate... :( Supposedly some tech advisor looked at it before it was covered, but it still comes down to no build log. How would someone go about that? Even if you ripped all the fabric off, would that be enough? I mean, what glue did he use? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482384#482384 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:30 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pre buy inpection questions. " I'm have my A&P so even though I'm not the original builder I could work on it." You could work on it whether you built it or not, and whether you were an A&P or not. As an A&P you can do the Condition Inspections on it, even though you didn't build it. The Special Airworthiness Certificate will have to be issued by a DAR or by the local FAA FSDO. This would be the case whether you built it or not. As for the Corvair powerplant, I'll let those who know Corvairs comment. Perhaps you can contact William Wynne, since he knows more about them than anyone else. Good Luck! Jack Phillips Pietenpol NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of j_dunavin Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 10:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pre buy inpection questions. --> I'm looking at a Piet for sale that has a corvair motor and was apparently built per the manual. It has no 5th bearing and a Harley Davidson carb. I suppose the right thing to do is tear it back down and verify proper modifications, block, crank numbers, as well a getting a 5th bearing for it. Assume nothing, right? Kind of related question: The aircraft is mostly finished, covered painted, etc. It looks like a good quality build, from what I can see in the inspection panels and whatnot. Landing gear is metal type, with cross springs, good looking welds, supposedly from a certified guy. However, there is no build log, and very few pictures, like 6 maybe. No receipts, and except for a copy of the plans and misc notes, drawings, no paperwork. It's never been finished, no N number etc. How would that work with an inspection? How would an EAA tech advisor. Or whomever the guy is that gives you the certificate, sign that off? I'm have my A&P so even though I'm not the original builder I could work on it. Thoughts? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482375#482375 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/13/18 From: dndboyd2@gmail.com Regarding paperwork and certification in your case I would refer you to your local FSDO Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:39 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 18-08-13&Archive=Pietenpol > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 18-08-13&Archive=Pietenpol > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 08/13/18: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:42 PM - Pre buy inpection questions. (j_dunavin) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:42 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pre buy inpection questions. > From: "j_dunavin" > > > I'm looking at a Piet for sale that has a corvair motor and was apparently built > per the manual. It has no 5th bearing and a Harley Davidson carb. > I suppose the right thing to do is tear it back down and verify proper modifications, > block, crank numbers, as well a getting a 5th bearing for it. > Assume nothing, right? > > Kind of related question: > The aircraft is mostly finished, covered painted, etc. It looks like a good quality > build, from what I can see in the inspection panels and whatnot. Landing > gear is metal type, with cross springs, good looking welds, supposedly from a > certified guy. > However, there is no build log, and very few pictures, like 6 maybe. No receipts, > and except for a copy of the plans and misc notes, drawings, no paperwork. > It's never been finished, no N number etc. > How would that work with an inspection? > How would an EAA tech advisor. Or whomever the guy is that gives you the certificate, > sign that off? > I'm have my A&P so even though I'm not the original builder I could work on it. > > Thoughts? > Thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482375#482375 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/13/18 From: dndboyd2@gmail.com Regarding paperwork and certification in your case I would refer you to your local FSDO Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:39 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 18-08-13&Archive=Pietenpol > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 18-08-13&Archive=Pietenpol > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 08/13/18: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:42 PM - Pre buy inpection questions. (j_dunavin) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:42 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pre buy inpection questions. > From: "j_dunavin" > > > I'm looking at a Piet for sale that has a corvair motor and was apparently built > per the manual. It has no 5th bearing and a Harley Davidson carb. > I suppose the right thing to do is tear it back down and verify proper modifications, > block, crank numbers, as well a getting a 5th bearing for it. > Assume nothing, right? > > Kind of related question: > The aircraft is mostly finished, covered painted, etc. It looks like a good quality > build, from what I can see in the inspection panels and whatnot. Landing > gear is metal type, with cross springs, good looking welds, supposedly from a > certified guy. > However, there is no build log, and very few pictures, like 6 maybe. No receipts, > and except for a copy of the plans and misc notes, drawings, no paperwork. > It's never been finished, no N number etc. > How would that work with an inspection? > How would an EAA tech advisor. Or whomever the guy is that gives you the certificate, > sign that off? > I'm have my A&P so even though I'm not the original builder I could work on it. > > Thoughts? > Thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482375#482375 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.