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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Rib to Spar fit (Harvey Plummer)
2. 06:55 AM - Flight characteristics (Steven Dortch)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (Marcus Zechini)
4. 07:14 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (Steven Dortch)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (Ben Charvet)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (Marcus Zechini)
7. 07:30 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (Steven Dortch)
8. 08:17 AM - Re: Rib to Spar fit (PoconoJohn2)
9. 08:31 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (woodflier)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (Jack Philips)
12. 01:11 PM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (echobravo4)
13. 03:20 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 (Bruce Kirk)
14. 03:21 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 (Bruce Kirk)
15. 03:22 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 (Bruce Kirk)
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to Spar fit |
Thanks for the input guys. While waiting for replies, I did a little more checking.
I found my cap strip locator block at the bottom of the spar was located
too high. Also, the cap strips are over 1/4" thick. Even accounting for those
issues I will have to lower the locator block slightly more to get 4-3/4" at the
rear of my 1" spar.
It also makes sense to bring the bottom of the rear spar down slightly so the 2
spars are on the same plane since I am building a 3 piece wing.
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Harv, 485PB
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| Subject: | Flight characteristics |
I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
What is a good comparison?
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Baby Ace?
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
> have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
> infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
> except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
>
> What is a good comparison?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
I am trying to tell a pilot who has flown C150s. I think it flies like a
cub, only draggier.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Baby Ace?
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
>> have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
>> infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
>> except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
>>
>> What is a good comparison?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Hi have a Piet with an A-65 and a J-3 with the same engine. My
Pietenpol has a 40 inch pitch prop, which would be the climb prop for
the Cub. My Cub as the standard 42 inch pitch prop. The Piet gets off
the ground a lot faster than the Cub, and still flies about 2 mph faster
(not much difference). Stall characteristics are similar, as are
landing speeds. Flying the cub with the door open is very similar to
the Piet, except you can't see as much on the left side. Gross weights
are very similar, I grossed my Piet at 1200 pounds and it hauls that
weight well.
Ben Charvet
PietNX866BC, 435 hrs in 10 years
Titusville, Florida
On 4/3/2020 9:52 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it
> like.I have only been up on a Piet once,years ago (Curse you Oscar Z
> for infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub
> like except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealmingsensation.
>
> What is a good comparison?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
I'm not the best source. I had a Grega with clipped Cub wings. So, an open
cockpit Cub that dropped like a rock when power pulled back. I noticed that
in Baby Ace. I had some J-4 time prior to the Baby Ace. Floated like a
kite, I thought.
I wnat to fly A Real Piet, preferably a Model A powered one!
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:18 AM Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am trying to tell a pilot who has flown C150s. I think it flies like a
> cub, only draggier.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Baby Ace?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
>>> have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
>>> infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
>>> except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
>>>
>>> What is a good comparison?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Blue Skies,
>>> Steve D
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Awesome, thanks!
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:24 AM Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi have a Piet with an A-65 and a J-3 with the same engine. My Pietenpol
> has a 40 inch pitch prop, which would be the climb prop for the Cub. My
> Cub as the standard 42 inch pitch prop. The Piet gets off the ground a lot
> faster than the Cub, and still flies about 2 mph faster (not much
> difference). Stall characteristics are similar, as are landing speeds.
> Flying the cub with the door open is very similar to the Piet, except you
> can't see as much on the left side. Gross weights are very similar, I
> grossed my Piet at 1200 pounds and it hauls that weight well.
> Ben Charvet
> PietNX866BC, 435 hrs in 10 years
> Titusville, Florida
>
> On 4/3/2020 9:52 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
>
> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
> have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
> infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
> except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
>
> What is a good comparison?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to Spar fit |
Good luck!
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| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
I agree that the weight difference should be negligible. As far as the space, I'm
going to use a Forstner bit and go in 1/8" on both sides, reducing the gap
by 1/4". Additionally, I can then purchase eye bolts with a grip of 1" instead
of 1 1/8" which comes out to almost $3 per bolt (times 27...for $81 savings).
As a reminder, the bolts have to pass through the 1" beam plus a 1/8" ply that's
added in bolt locations.
Here's a photo of some cast aluminum pieces. With bolts, I think there's slightly
less material but the aluminum is probably lighter than the eye bolts, so maybe
a wash.
John C
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Steven, I think the Cub comparison is pretty close, except when it comes to
glide. The Cub is a floater, the Piet is a bit of a brick. I've rarely bee
n able to get a good full 3-point landing in the Piet because the sink rate
really goes up as the nose goes up. Wheelies and tail-low wheel landings w
ork fine.=C2-
Matt Paxton
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 3, 2020 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight characteristics
I am trying to tell a pilot who has flown C150s. I think it flies like a cu
b, only draggier.=C2-
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com> wr
ote:
Baby Ace?
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wr
ote:
I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like.=C2-
I have only been up on a Piet once,=C2-years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for i
nfecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like excep
t the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming=C2-sensation.=C2-
What is a good comparison?
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Flight characteristics |
Matt, I found to consistently get good 3 point landings I can add a
little power (maybe 1200 RPM on a Continental A65) which adds just
enough float to let it settle in nicely on all 3 wheels.
Jack Phillips
Pietenpol Air Camper, NX899JP
RV-10, N142KW
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
woodflier
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight characteristics
Steven, I think the Cub comparison is pretty close, except when it comes
to glide. The Cub is a floater, the Piet is a bit of a brick. I've
rarely been able to get a good full 3-point landing in the Piet because
the sink rate really goes up as the nose goes up. Wheelies and tail-low
wheel landings work fine.
Matt Paxton
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
<mailto:steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> >
<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >
Sent: Fri, Apr 3, 2020 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight characteristics
I am trying to tell a pilot who has flown C150s. I think it flies like a
cub, only draggier.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com
<mailto:marcus.zechini@gmail.com> > wrote:
Baby Ace?
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
<mailto:steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> > wrote:
I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
What is a good comparison?
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
Oscar, aren't you still selling the aluminum hinges?
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 |
Hello all pietenpol builders, it seems an easy way to solve the discussion about
the hinges would be to machine hinges out of solid bar stock. If someone would
either send or post an accurate drawing or even send a sample of one of the
cast hinges I would be happy to program our CNC mill to crank out a bunch. If
you send one I will gladly return it ASAP.
Bruce Kirk brucekirk@ymail.com
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> 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 2. 07:29 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 3. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Kip Gardner)
> 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Rib to Spar fit (PoconoJohn2)
> 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 6. 08:14 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 7. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 8. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Glen Schweizer)
> 9. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 10. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:25:08 AM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
> It appears you're both right. Your just looking at two different aspects.
> The first question I see as referring to the eyebolts themselves, mounting
> them in the tailparts. No rotation there. The second is the hinge pin which
> is in a rotational situation. There you need castle and cotter. Or, as I
> have
> done, albeit with the traditional welded hinges, use a clevis pin. Saves a
> little weight in the tail which is heavy already. The issue I see with the
> eyebolts is that the forces are not centered on the hinge pin which will
> cause extra wear on the pin or bolt. There will be a bending force on all
> the parts. Also the stab and elevator will be further apart, larger gap,
> than the per plans hinges. Yes, I know, more finiky work but you only
> do it once. I look back on it with satisfaction in the experience.
>
> Clif
> How difficult it is to be simple. (Vincent van Gogh)
>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> But one of the two eyebolts will be rotating about the AN3 bolt, right?
>> However I'm not an expert on AC43-13. Another confusing subject for me is
>> when to use the dimpled AN bolts that are designated for shear situations.
>>
>> John F.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:29:40 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:40:57 AM PST US
> From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
eyebolts
> never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:41:42 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib to Spar fit
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> 1"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495547#495547
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:54:04 AM PST US
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm not sure why you need two eyebolts on one side, is that what the plans call
> for? On mine I counterbored the wood so the eyebolts sits flush and also narrows
> the gap a bit. And yes I agree that nylon locknuts are appropriate on the
> eyebolts with clevis/cotter pins for the rotating hinge.
>
> Those clevis pins are also used to attach turnbuckle forks to the control horns,
> so buy plenty of various lengths. They're fairly cheap (for aircraft hardware!).
>
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:28 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:14:08 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Kip,
>
> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>
> Hi John F,
>
> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
but
> a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist any
> twisting force.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
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>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John C.,
>
> One advantage to using the three-eyebolt hinge is that you've got some play on
> the alignment. I only used one-to-one eyebolts and it's tough to get them all
> in alignment.
> Best of luck on your project...
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 10:13 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> Hi Kip,
>>
>> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>>
>> Hi John F,
>>
>> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
> but a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist
> any twisting force.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:45:00 PM PST US
> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing rapidly with
> all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison of eyebolts vs.welded
> hinges? Glen
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
> eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't
show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer
> can't be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>>
>>> John C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:00:52 PM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>> <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>> <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:01:05 PM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>> <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>> <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hello all pietenpol builders, it seems an easy way to solve the discussion about
the hinges would be to machine hinges out of solid bar stock. If someone would
either send or post an accurate drawing or even send a sample of one of the
cast hinges I would be happy to program our CNC mill to crank out a bunch. If
you send one I will gladly return it ASAP.
Bruce Kirk brucekirk@ymail.com
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> On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 2. 07:29 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 3. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Kip Gardner)
> 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Rib to Spar fit (PoconoJohn2)
> 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 6. 08:14 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 7. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 8. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Glen Schweizer)
> 9. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 10. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:25:08 AM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
> It appears you're both right. Your just looking at two different aspects.
> The first question I see as referring to the eyebolts themselves, mounting
> them in the tailparts. No rotation there. The second is the hinge pin which
> is in a rotational situation. There you need castle and cotter. Or, as I
> have
> done, albeit with the traditional welded hinges, use a clevis pin. Saves a
> little weight in the tail which is heavy already. The issue I see with the
> eyebolts is that the forces are not centered on the hinge pin which will
> cause extra wear on the pin or bolt. There will be a bending force on all
> the parts. Also the stab and elevator will be further apart, larger gap,
> than the per plans hinges. Yes, I know, more finiky work but you only
> do it once. I look back on it with satisfaction in the experience.
>
> Clif
> How difficult it is to be simple. (Vincent van Gogh)
>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> But one of the two eyebolts will be rotating about the AN3 bolt, right?
>> However I'm not an expert on AC43-13. Another confusing subject for me is
>> when to use the dimpled AN bolts that are designated for shear situations.
>>
>> John F.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:29:40 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:40:57 AM PST US
> From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
eyebolts
> never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:41:42 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib to Spar fit
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> 1"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495547#495547
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:54:04 AM PST US
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm not sure why you need two eyebolts on one side, is that what the plans call
> for? On mine I counterbored the wood so the eyebolts sits flush and also narrows
> the gap a bit. And yes I agree that nylon locknuts are appropriate on the
> eyebolts with clevis/cotter pins for the rotating hinge.
>
> Those clevis pins are also used to attach turnbuckle forks to the control horns,
> so buy plenty of various lengths. They're fairly cheap (for aircraft hardware!).
>
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:28 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:14:08 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Kip,
>
> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>
> Hi John F,
>
> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
but
> a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist any
> twisting force.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John C.,
>
> One advantage to using the three-eyebolt hinge is that you've got some play on
> the alignment. I only used one-to-one eyebolts and it's tough to get them all
> in alignment.
> Best of luck on your project...
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 10:13 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> Hi Kip,
>>
>> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>>
>> Hi John F,
>>
>> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
> but a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist
> any twisting force.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:45:00 PM PST US
> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing rapidly with
> all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison of eyebolts vs.welded
> hinges? Glen
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
> eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't
show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer
> can't be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>>
>>> John C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:00:52 PM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>> <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>> <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:01:05 PM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>> <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>> <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hello all pietenpol builders, it seems an easy way to solve the discussion about
the hinges would be to machine hinges out of solid bar stock. If someone would
either send or post an accurate drawing or even send a sample of one of the
cast hinges I would be happy to program our CNC mill to crank out a bunch. If
you send one I will gladly return it ASAP.
Bruce Kirk brucekirk@ymail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
wrote:
>
> *
>
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> =================================================
>
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> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 2. 07:29 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 3. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Kip Gardner)
> 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Rib to Spar fit (PoconoJohn2)
> 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 6. 08:14 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 7. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 8. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Glen Schweizer)
> 9. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 10. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:25:08 AM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
> It appears you're both right. Your just looking at two different aspects.
> The first question I see as referring to the eyebolts themselves, mounting
> them in the tailparts. No rotation there. The second is the hinge pin which
> is in a rotational situation. There you need castle and cotter. Or, as I
> have
> done, albeit with the traditional welded hinges, use a clevis pin. Saves a
> little weight in the tail which is heavy already. The issue I see with the
> eyebolts is that the forces are not centered on the hinge pin which will
> cause extra wear on the pin or bolt. There will be a bending force on all
> the parts. Also the stab and elevator will be further apart, larger gap,
> than the per plans hinges. Yes, I know, more finiky work but you only
> do it once. I look back on it with satisfaction in the experience.
>
> Clif
> How difficult it is to be simple. (Vincent van Gogh)
>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> But one of the two eyebolts will be rotating about the AN3 bolt, right?
>> However I'm not an expert on AC43-13. Another confusing subject for me is
>> when to use the dimpled AN bolts that are designated for shear situations.
>>
>> John F.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:29:40 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:40:57 AM PST US
> From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
eyebolts
> never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:41:42 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib to Spar fit
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> 1"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495547#495547
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:54:04 AM PST US
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm not sure why you need two eyebolts on one side, is that what the plans call
> for? On mine I counterbored the wood so the eyebolts sits flush and also narrows
> the gap a bit. And yes I agree that nylon locknuts are appropriate on the
> eyebolts with clevis/cotter pins for the rotating hinge.
>
> Those clevis pins are also used to attach turnbuckle forks to the control horns,
> so buy plenty of various lengths. They're fairly cheap (for aircraft hardware!).
>
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:28 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:14:08 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof@protonmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Kip,
>
> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>
> Hi John F,
>
> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
but
> a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist any
> twisting force.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John C.,
>
> One advantage to using the three-eyebolt hinge is that you've got some play on
> the alignment. I only used one-to-one eyebolts and it's tough to get them all
> in alignment.
> Best of luck on your project...
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 10:13 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> Hi Kip,
>>
>> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>>
>> Hi John F,
>>
>> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
> but a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist
> any twisting force.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:45:00 PM PST US
> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing rapidly with
> all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison of eyebolts vs.welded
> hinges? Glen
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
> eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 <redroof@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't
show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer
> can't be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>>
>>> John C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:00:52 PM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>> <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>> <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:01:05 PM PST US
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>> <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>> <kipgohio1957@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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