---------------------------------------------------------- Pulsar-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/29/13: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Gross Take off Weight (Mark Fox) 2. 04:36 AM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Scott - Special Effects Armourer) 3. 05:00 AM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Keith Palmer) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Keith Palmer) 5. 06:41 AM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Scott - Special Effects Armourer) 6. 07:00 AM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Keith Palmer) 7. 08:08 AM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Simon) 8. 10:13 AM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (HUGH COULTER) 9. 11:45 AM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Solly Melyon) 10. 12:14 PM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Larry Eubanks) 11. 12:31 PM - Re: Gross Take off Weight (Larry Eubanks) 12. 03:21 PM - Max Gross (Bernard Wilder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:09 AM PST US Subject: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight From: Mark Fox Guys, I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the result and general consensus in the end. My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds. There was a lot of discussion about that number being changed to a higher number. Just curious if anyone knows. I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds :) Thanks -- [image: Mark L. Fox Vice President 321-626-4786] myesig.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:17 AM PST US From: Scott - Special Effects Armourer Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight I am just increasing my rating for more max weight. It was 960lbs if your ki t was 249 or less, if a higher number it would be 1060lbs. It seems a compos ite spar was used on later models. Source - UK LAA TADS for Pulsar XP. Hope that helps. Scott MacIntyre UK +44 7860 208432 US +1 (818) 397 0666 scott@s-f-x.com On 29 Aug 2013, at 12:21, Mark Fox wrote: > Guys, > > I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the r esult and general consensus in the end. > > My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds. T here was a lot of discussion about that number being changed to a higher num ber. > > Just curious if anyone knows. > > I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds : ) > > Thanks > > -- > > > > myesig.com > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:33 AM PST US From: "Keith Palmer" Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight The XP is definitely 1060 lb the III is 1200lb the II I'm not sure ? K'd ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Fox To: Pulsar-List@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:21 PM Subject: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight Guys, I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the result and general consensus in the end. My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds. There was a lot of discussion about that number being changed to a higher number. Just curious if anyone knows. I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds :) Thanks -- myesig.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:07 AM PST US From: "Keith Palmer" Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight Scott, MAUW - Wooden Spars with Capping to the end of the Spar - 960lb - Composite Spars on XP 1060lb - Don't automatically go by serial numbers it is the construction that counts & what was included in that KIT. K'd ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott - Special Effects Armourer To: pulsar-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight I am just increasing my rating for more max weight. It was 960lbs if your kit was 249 or less, if a higher number it would be 1060lbs. It seems a composite spar was used on later models. Source - UK LAA TADS for Pulsar XP. Hope that helps. Scott MacIntyre UK +44 7860 208432 US +1 (818) 397 0666 scott@s-f-x.com On 29 Aug 2013, at 12:21, Mark Fox wrote: Guys, I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the result and general consensus in the end. My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds. There was a lot of discussion about that number being changed to a higher number. Just curious if anyone knows. I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds :) Thanks -- myesig.com ========= tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:56 AM PST US From: Scott - Special Effects Armourer Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight Yes, common sense prevails - I have a composite spar but it seems the guy th at made the kit went for the lower weight just because he wasn't aware of th e later spec. Thanks for helping make this point clearer. Scott MacIntyre On 29 Aug 2013, at 14:18, "Keith Palmer" wrote: > Scott, > MAUW - Wooden Spars with Capping to the end of the Spar - 960lb - Composite Spars on XP 1060lb - Don't automatically go by serial numbers i t is the construction that counts & what was included in that KIT. > > K'd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott - Special Effects Armourer > To: pulsar-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight > > I am just increasing my rating for more max weight. It was 960lbs if your k it was 249 or less, if a higher number it would be 1060lbs. It seems a compo site spar was used on later models. Source - UK LAA TADS for Pulsar XP. > > Hope that helps. > > Scott MacIntyre > > UK +44 7860 208432 > US +1 (818) 397 0666 > scott@s-f-x.com > > On 29 Aug 2013, at 12:21, Mark Fox wrote: > >> Guys, >> >> I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the result and general consensus in the end. >> >> My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds. There was a lot of discussion about that number being changed to a higher n umber. >> >> Just curious if anyone knows. >> >> I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds :) >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> >> >> >> myesig.com >> >> >> >> >> ========= >> tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List >> ========= >> cs.com >> ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========= >> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:26 AM PST US From: "Keith Palmer" Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight What do your manuals say ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott - Special Effects Armourer To: pulsar-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:39 PM Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight Yes, common sense prevails - I have a composite spar but it seems the guy that made the kit went for the lower weight just because he wasn't aware of the later spec. Thanks for helping make this point clearer. Scott MacIntyre On 29 Aug 2013, at 14:18, "Keith Palmer" wrote: Scott, MAUW - Wooden Spars with Capping to the end of the Spar - 960lb - Composite Spars on XP 1060lb - Don't automatically go by serial numbers it is the construction that counts & what was included in that KIT. K'd ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott - Special Effects Armourer To: pulsar-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight I am just increasing my rating for more max weight. It was 960lbs if your kit was 249 or less, if a higher number it would be 1060lbs. It seems a composite spar was used on later models. Source - UK LAA TADS for Pulsar XP. Hope that helps. Scott MacIntyre UK +44 7860 208432 US +1 (818) 397 0666 scott@s-f-x.com On 29 Aug 2013, at 12:21, Mark Fox wrote: Guys, I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the result and general consensus in the end. My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds. There was a lot of discussion about that number being changed to a higher number. Just curious if anyone knows. I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds :) Thanks -- myesig.com ========= tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:39 AM PST US From: "Simon" Subject: RE: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight Hi Scott, At the time the kit was built, they had just introduced the composite spar and Aero Designs had updated their brochure for the XP - (960 crossed out and 1060 written in biro!) The PFA at the time had not approved this and so to save time getting into the air, Malcolm went with the original 960. It should only be a formality to up-rate the figure =93 He and I just never got around to it! It definitely has the composite spar and also the slightly bigger rudder =93 maybe XPs had this. Looking forward to seeing her airborne again soon J Simon. From: owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pulsar-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott - Special Effects Armourer Sent: 29 August 2013 14:40 Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight Yes, common sense prevails - I have a composite spar but it seems the guy that made the kit went for the lower weight just because he wasn't aware of the later spec. Thanks for helping make this point clearer. Scott MacIntyre On 29 Aug 2013, at 14:18, "Keith Palmer" wrote: Scott, MAUW - Wooden Spars with Capping to the end of the Spar - 960lb - Composite Spars on XP 1060lb - Don't automatically go by serial numbers it is the construction that counts & what was included in that KIT. K'd ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott - Special Effects Armourer Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight I am just increasing my rating for more max weight. It was 960lbs if your kit was 249 or less, if a higher number it would be 1060lbs. It seems a composite spar was used on later models. Source - UK LAA TADS for Pulsar XP. Hope that helps. Scott MacIntyre UK +44 7860 208432 US +1 (818) 397 0666 scott@s-f-x.com On 29 Aug 2013, at 12:21, Mark Fox wrote: Guys, I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the result and general consensus in the end. My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds. There was a lot of discussion about that number being changed to a higher number. Just curious if anyone knows. I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds :) Thanks -- Mark L. Fox Vice President 321-626-4786 myesig.com ========= tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:54 AM PST US From: "HUGH COULTER" Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight No, the weight was not increased. The Series II had a higher gross as did the III. Clarke On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:21:44 -0400 Mark Fox wrote: > Guys, > > I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can >not remember the > result and general consensus in the end. > > My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross >weight of 1060 pounds. > There was a lot of discussion about that number being >changed to a higher > number. > > Just curious if anyone knows. > > I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they >put on a few pounds :) > > Thanks > > -- > > [image: Mark L. Fox Vice President > 321-626-4786] > > myesig.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:54 AM PST US From: Solly Melyon Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight Hi Guys,=0AThe II and the III are-the same airplane structurally, both ha d a =0AGW of 1200 lb=0ASolly Melyon=0AAeroMax Aviation=0Awww.aeromaxaviatio n.com=0A323.841.4822=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: HUG H COULTER =0ATo: pulsar-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:12 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take ulter@wavecable.com>=0A=0ANo, the weight was not increased.- The Series I I had a higher gross as did the III.=0A=0AClarke=0A=0AOn Thu, 29 Aug 2013 0 7:21:44 -0400=0AMark Fox wrote:=0A> Guys,=0A> =0A> I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the =0A> result and general consensus in the end.=0A> =0A> My 1996 Pulsar XP fr om Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds.=0A> There was a lot o f discussion about that number being changed to a higher=0A> number.=0A> =0A> Just curious if anyone knows.=0A> =0A> I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds :)=0A> =0A> Thanks=0A> =0A> -- =0A> [image: Mark L. Fox Vice President=0A> 321-626-4786]=0A> =0A =========== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:43 PM PST US From: "Larry Eubanks" Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight I have a sales brochure that is pre XP and was intended for the 582 version only and it shows a fiberglass spar, wood skins and a gross weight of 900 pounds. Unfortunately the brochure is not dated but was fairly expensive to produce as it is done similar to a magazine with about 12 pages. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Palmer To: pulsar-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight Scott, MAUW - Wooden Spars with Capping to the end of the Spar - 960lb - Composite Spars on XP 1060lb - Don't automatically go by serial numbers it is the construction that counts & what was included in that KIT. K'd ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott - Special Effects Armourer To: pulsar-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight I am just increasing my rating for more max weight. It was 960lbs if your kit was 249 or less, if a higher number it would be 1060lbs. It seems a composite spar was used on later models. Source - UK LAA TADS for Pulsar XP. Hope that helps. Scott MacIntyre UK +44 7860 208432 US +1 (818) 397 0666 scott@s-f-x.com On 29 Aug 2013, at 12:21, Mark Fox wrote: Guys, I know this is a 10+ year old discussion item, but I can not remember the result and general consensus in the end. My 1996 Pulsar XP from Aerodesigns had a max gross weight of 1060 pounds. There was a lot of discussion about that number being changed to a higher number. Just curious if anyone knows. I ask because after 9 months or reworking wings, they put on a few pounds :) Thanks -- myesig.com ========= tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:04 PM PST US From: "Larry Eubanks" Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight For what it's worth I have another later sales brochure created after the first 912 version was built and it has a picture of the ill fated N912XP on one side. It shows a gross weight for the 582 Pulsar as 1000 pounds and the Pulsar XP(912) as 1060. I believe the difference here is that this was after the fiberglass skins were added to both models. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Eubanks To: pulsar-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: Gross Take off Weight I have a sales brochure that is pre XP and was intended for the 582 version only and it shows a fiberglass spar, wood skins and a gross weight of 900 pounds. Unfortunately the brochure is not dated but was fairly expensive to produce as it is done similar to a magazine with about 12 pages. Larry ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:38 PM PST US Subject: Pulsar-List: Max Gross From: Bernard Wilder I know someone who routinely flew his XP at 1,200 lbs. 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