---------------------------------------------------------- Pulsar-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/26/19: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:48 AM - Re: 912 for sale (Otto Souta) 2. 09:41 AM - Re: 912 for sale (N3300P) 3. 10:55 AM - Re: 912 for sale (Lance Goddard) 4. 04:58 PM - Re: 912 for sale (mike mccann) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:08 AM PST US From: Otto Souta Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: 912 for sale Hi Bernie, I admire your decision, you are brave man. I am in a small way into EV, I build e-bikes and scooters, Li-ion batteries etc. On the surface it looks simple, but... have look at the Pipistrel electric. You will need very deep pockets, and even when you succeed, you will end up with 1 hour flying time with long time between recharges. There is much more than meets the eye, apart from the motor, controller, BMS, battery and charger. There are huge currents and voltages involved, smallest accident can end up in huge fire and meltdown. I know, I melted my Breitling titanium bracelet on the LI-ion battery. I think, for our Pulsars the Rotax 912/S is still the best option, lightweight, powerful, reasonably reliable and cheap, even when Rotax spare parts are rip-off. Please don't think of me as a spoil sport, before you embark on it, build an e-bike to see in a small scale what is involved. best otto OK NAZ 20 [image: Pulsar1.jpg] On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 21:28, N3300P wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine > locates? I=99m curious if there would be any chance of shipping if it is far > from Oklahoma? > Thank you, > Ned > > On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder > wrote: > > I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engine > and everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil > cooler, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level > sensors, fuel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs an d > air filters, EIS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, fu el > filter, everything associated with the 912 which has 700 hours on it. > > All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00 > > When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulled > the wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at > it. After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. Hen ce > the electrification project. > > Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air > frame weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should d o > it. I am now researching and searching for the right combination of motor , > controller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going to > S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen. > > I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a > simple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,, n o > ? ? ? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever g et > that far. > > Bernie Wilder =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: 912 for sale From: N3300P Hi Otto, I=99m with you on electrification especially concerning airplanes. Wit hout government subsidies the electrification of cars would not be able to c ompete with gasoline cars. There has been decades of indoctrination concerni ng =9Cgreen=9D but electricity does not come close to competing w ith the energy one can get from a gallon of gasoline. In the U.S. 70% of our electrical power is produced by hydrocarbons so when one steps back to look at the overall effect electric cars provide no =9Cgreen=9D bene fit over gas power. This may change when oil runs out but that date has been predicted for a hundred years and the petroleum industry just keeps finding more reserves! It=99s a bit of a novelty and by all means if one Bernie wants to do i t I say by all means pursue your hobby. But as far as practical flying goes i t=99s not.... Best regards, Ned On Jan 26, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Otto Souta wrote: Hi Bernie, I admire your decision, you are brave man. I am in a small way into EV, I bu ild e-bikes and scooters, Li-ion batteries etc. On the surface it looks simp le, but... have look at the Pipistrel electric. You will need very deep pock ets, and even when you succeed, you will end up with 1 hour flying time with long time between recharges. There is much more than meets the eye, apart f rom the motor, controller, BMS, battery and charger. There are huge currents and voltages involved, smallest accident can end up in huge fire and meltdo wn. I know, I melted my Breitling titanium bracelet on the LI-ion battery. I think, for our Pulsars the Rotax 912/S is still the best option, lightweig ht, powerful, reasonably reliable and cheap, even when Rotax spare parts are rip-off. Please don't think of me as a spoil sport, before you embark on it, build an e-bike to see in a small scale what is involved. best otto OK NAZ 20 > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 21:28, N3300P wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine loca tes? I=99m curious if there would be any chance of shipping if it is f ar from Oklahoma? > Thank you, > Ned > > On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder wr ote: > > I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engine a nd everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil coole r, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level sensors, fuel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs and air filters, E IS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, fuel filter, everyt hing associated with the 912 which has 700 hours on it. > > All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00 > > When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulled t he wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at it. After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. Hence the e lectrification project. > > Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air fra me weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should do it. I am now researching and searching for the right combination of motor, contro ller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going to S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen. > > I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a s imple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,, no ? ? ? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever get tha t far. > > Bernie Wilder > ========== > ar-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Pulsar-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:57 AM PST US From: Lance Goddard Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: 912 for sale I=99m very sorely tempted to refute all of Ned=99s statements, but instead will request that this forum remain dedicated to the Pulsar airplane. There are many other forums more suitable for such discussion and debate. Lance Goddard > On Jan 26, 2019, at 9:37 AM, N3300P wrote: > > Hi Otto, > I=99m with you on electrification especially concerning airplanes. Without government subsidies the electrification of cars would not be able to compete with gasoline cars. There has been decades of indoctrination concerning =9Cgreen=9D but electricity does not come close to competing with the energy one can get from a gallon of gasoline. In the U.S. 70% of our electrical power is produced by hydrocarbons so when one steps back to look at the overall effect electric cars provide no =9Cgreen=9D benefit over gas power. This may change when oil runs out but that date has been predicted for a hundred years and the petroleum industry just keeps finding more reserves! > It=99s a bit of a novelty and by all means if one Bernie wants to do it I say by all means pursue your hobby. But as far as practical flying goes it=99s not.... > Best regards, > Ned > > On Jan 26, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Otto Souta > wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > I admire your decision, you are brave man. I am in a small way into EV, I build e-bikes and scooters, Li-ion batteries etc. On the surface it looks simple, but... have look at the Pipistrel electric. You will need very deep pockets, and even when you succeed, you will end up with 1 hour flying time with long time between recharges. There is much more than meets the eye, apart from the motor, controller, BMS, battery and charger. There are huge currents and voltages involved, smallest accident can end up in huge fire and meltdown. I know, I melted my Breitling titanium bracelet on the LI-ion battery. > > I think, for our Pulsars the Rotax 912/S is still the best option, lightweight, powerful, reasonably reliable and cheap, even when Rotax spare parts are rip-off. > Please don't think of me as a spoil sport, before you embark on it, build an e-bike to see in a small scale what is involved. > best > otto > OK NAZ 20 > > > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 21:28, N3300P > wrote: > > > Hi Bernie, > I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine locates? I=99m curious if there would be any chance of shipping if it is far from Oklahoma? > Thank you, > Ned > > On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder > wrote: > > I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engine and everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil cooler, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level sensors, fuel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs and air filters, EIS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, fuel filter, everything associated with the 912 which has 700 hours on it. > > All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00 > > When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulled the wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at it. After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. Hence the electrification project. > > Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air frame weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should do it. I am now researching and searching for the right combination of motor, controller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going to S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen. > > I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a simple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,, no ? ? ? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever get that far. > > Bernie Wilder > ========== > ar-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:52 PM PST US From: mike mccann Subject: Re: Pulsar-List: 912 for sale Otto, don't have any comments on the electric plane issue, however, just wanted to compliment you on the very nice looking Pulsar you're flying in the photo. Appears to be silver in color...don't see many in that paint scheme. Safe flying. Mike McCann Pulsar 1 - 582 RV9-A On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM Otto Souta wrote: > Hi Bernie, > I admire your decision, you are brave man. I am in a small way into EV, I > build e-bikes and scooters, Li-ion batteries etc. On the surface it looks > simple, but... have look at the Pipistrel electric. You will need very de ep > pockets, and even when you succeed, you will end up with 1 hour flying ti me > with long time between recharges. There is much more than meets the eye, > apart from the motor, controller, BMS, battery and charger. There are hug e > currents and voltages involved, smallest accident can end up in huge fire > and meltdown. I know, I melted my Breitling titanium bracelet on the LI-i on > battery. > > I think, for our Pulsars the Rotax 912/S is still the best option, > lightweight, powerful, reasonably reliable and cheap, even when Rotax spa re > parts are rip-off. > Please don't think of me as a spoil sport, before you embark on it, build > an e-bike to see in a small scale what is involved. > best > otto > OK NAZ 20 > > [image: Pulsar1.jpg] > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 21:28, N3300P wrote: > >> >> Hi Bernie, >> I may be interested in your 912 and Pulsar stuff. Where is the engine >> locates? I=99m curious if there would be any chance of shipping if it is far >> from Oklahoma? >> Thank you, >> Ned >> >> On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Bernard Wilder >> wrote: >> >> I have asperations of electrifying my Pulsar XP. I have pulled the engin e >> and everything associated with it. That is, the oil sump, radiator, oil >> cooler, fuel selector valve, fuel filter, condenser fuel cell level >> sensors, fuel gauge, voltage regulator, mufflers, exhaust pipes, carbs a nd >> air filters, EIS system and all sensors, auxiliary electric fuel pump, f uel >> filter, everything associated with the 912 which has 700 hours on it. >> >> All above for sale as a package for $8,000.00 >> >> When I stopped flying 390XP I didn't have the heart to sell it. I pulle d >> the wings and put it in my garage where it was born. I liked looking at >> it. After a year or so I realized I needed an excuse for keeping it. He nce >> the electrification project. >> >> Stripped of the 912 and every thing related to it I think the bare air >> frame weighs a little less than 500 pounds. About a 50 KVA motor should do >> it. I am now researching and searching for the right combination of moto r, >> controller and batteries for the job. Not getting very far. Am going t o >> S-n-F to talk to whomever will listen. >> >> I have a repairman's certificate so when I find what I need I will do a >> simple powerplant switch, put the wings back on and go flying. Simple,, no >> ? ? ? Probably no. But I will face that when it comes up,,, if I ever get >> that far. >> >> Bernie Wilder >> ========== >> ar-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pulsar-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ========== >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pulsar-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pulsar-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pulsar-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pulsar-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.