---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/11/03: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:40 PM - Re: (jamesbaldwin@attglobal.net) 2. 03:32 PM - (Robert Sather) 3. 03:33 PM - Re: (Bob & Toodie Marshall) 4. 03:52 PM - Re: (Dallas Benham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:57 PM PST US From: jamesbaldwin@attglobal.net Subject: Re: Rocket-List: --> Rocket-List message posted by: jamesbaldwin@attglobal.net Frank - This is probably one of the most ludicrous emails and ideas I have seen in a long time. Perhaps you should try to educate yourself before exhibiting to us your ignorance of the simple theorems found in the first week of Econ 101. Secondly, did it occur to you the "other suppliers," once they discovered the proposed boycott of their competitors, would not raise their prices since their capacity is limited also? Do you know anything about the nature of an elastic supply and demand curve? Besides all of the above, the American public is very plainly exhibiting their preference for large fuel inefficient autos (SUVs, trucks, motorhomes, etc) and will not change their consumer habits until forced to do so with pricing power. Please don't waste this space with nonsense again. James Baldwin - employed by a consumer, not a producer of energy Frank Haertlein wrote: > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > Subject: FW: gas prices > Join the resistance!!!! > > We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by > the summer. Do you want > gasoline prices to come down? We need to take > some intelligent, united > action. > > Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: > > This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy > gas on a certain day" > campaign that was going around last April or > May! > > The oil companies just laughed at that because > they knew we wouldn't > continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy > gas. It was more often an > inconvenience to us than it was a problem for > them. BUT, whoever > thought of this idea, has come up with a plan > that can really work. > Please read it and join with us! > > By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced > at about $1.50 is > super cheap. It is currently $1.97 for regular > unleaded. > > Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations > have conditioned us to > think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP > at $1.50-$1.75, we need > to take aggressive action to teach them that > BUYERS control the > marketplace....not the sellers. > > With the price of gasoline going up more each > day, we consumers need > to take action. The only way we are going to see > the price of gas come > down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by > not purchasing their gas! > And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. > > How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't > just stop buying gas. But > we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all > act together to force a > price war. > > **************************************************************** > Here's the idea: > > For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY > gasoline from the two > biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and > MOBIL. If they are > not selling any gas, they will be inclined to > reduce their prices. If > they reduce their prices, the other companies > will have to follow suit. > > ******************************************************************* > But to have an impact, we need to reach > literally million! s of Exxon > and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! > Now, at this point... > keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is > to reach millions > of people!! > > I am sending this note to about thirty people. > If each of you send it to > at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those > 300 send it to at least ten > more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the > time the message reaches the > sixth generation of people, we will have reached > over THREE MILLION > consumers! > If those three million get excited and pass this > on to ten friends each, > then 30 million people will have been contacted! > If it goes one level > further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED > MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all > you have to do is send this to 10 people and > DON"T purchase ANY gasoline > from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all. > > If you don't understand how we can reach 300 > million and all you have > to do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's > face it, you just aren't a > mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this > one. > How long would all that take? If each of us > sends this email out to ten > more people within one day of receipt, all 300 > MILLION people could > conceivably be contacted within the next 8 > days!!! I'll bet you didn't > think you and I had that much potential, did > you! Acting together we > can make a difference. If this makes sense to > you, please pass this > message on. > > PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO > THE $1.30 RANGE AND > KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:59 PM PST US From: "Robert Sather" Subject: Rocket-List: --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Robert Sather" DO NOT ARCHIVE Gasoline prices are going up but, in all honesty, its not as bad as some things considering the fact that other items are more expensive with less value.. If you think I'm nuts, see the following comparisons. This came in an email and is pretty interesting. So smile and enjoy that it is still a pretty good deal. In our country we can still buy all we want of all these items. YOU THINK GASOLINE IS EXPENSIVE? Diet Snapple 16oz for $1.29 $10.32 per gallon Lipton Ice Tea 16oz for $1.19 $9.52 per gallon Gatorade 20oz for $1.59 $10.17 per gallon Ocean Spray 16oz for $1.25 $10.00 per gallon Pint of milk 16oz for $1.59 $12.72 per gallon STP Brake Fluid 12oz for $3.15 $33.60 per gallon Vick's Nyquil 6oz for $8.35 $178.13 per gallon Pepto Bismol 4oz for $3.85 $123.20 per gallon Whiteout .7oz for $1.39 $25.42 per gallon Scope 1.5oz for $0.99 $84.48 per gallon And this is the REAL KICKER...... Evian water 9oz for $1.49 $21.19 per gallon .....$21.19 FOR WATER!! So next time you're at the pump, be glad your airplane doesn't run on Nyquil, or Scope, or Whiteout!!!! And James you need to relax. Everybody has an opinion. And Frank's is probably as important to him as yours is to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Rocket-List: > --> Rocket-List message posted by: jamesbaldwin@attglobal.net > > Frank - > This is probably one of the most ludicrous emails and ideas I have seen in a long > time. Perhaps you should try to educate yourself before exhibiting to us your > ignorance of the simple theorems found in the first week of Econ 101. Secondly, did > it occur to you the "other suppliers," once they discovered the proposed boycott of > their competitors, would not raise their prices since their capacity is limited > also? Do you know anything about the nature of an elastic supply and demand curve? > Besides all of the above, the American public is very plainly exhibiting their > preference for large fuel inefficient autos (SUVs, trucks, motorhomes, etc) and will > not change their consumer habits until forced to do so with pricing power. Please > don't waste this space with nonsense again. James Baldwin - employed by a consumer, > not a producer of energy > > Frank Haertlein wrote: > > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > Subject: FW: gas prices > > Join the resistance!!!! > > > > We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by > > the summer. Do you want > > gasoline prices to come down? We need to take > > some intelligent, united > > action. > > > > Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: > > > > This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy > > gas on a certain day" > > campaign that was going around last April or > > May! > > > > The oil companies just laughed at that because > > they knew we wouldn't > > continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy > > gas. It was more often an > > inconvenience to us than it was a problem for > > them. BUT, whoever > > thought of this idea, has come up with a plan > > that can really work. > > Please read it and join with us! > > > > By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced > > at about $1.50 is > > super cheap. It is currently $1.97 for regular > > unleaded. > > > > Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations > > have conditioned us to > > think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP > > at $1.50-$1.75, we need > > to take aggressive action to teach them that > > BUYERS control the > > marketplace....not the sellers. > > > > With the price of gasoline going up more each > > day, we consumers need > > to take action. The only way we are going to see > > the price of gas come > > down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by > > not purchasing their gas! > > And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. > > > > How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't > > just stop buying gas. But > > we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all > > act together to force a > > price war. > > > > **************************************************************** > > Here's the idea: > > > > For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY > > gasoline from the two > > biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and > > MOBIL. If they are > > not selling any gas, they will be inclined to > > reduce their prices. If > > they reduce their prices, the other companies > > will have to follow suit. > > > > ******************************************************************* > > But to have an impact, we need to reach > > literally million! s of Exxon > > and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! > > Now, at this point... > > keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is > > to reach millions > > of people!! > > > > I am sending this note to about thirty people. > > If each of you send it to > > at least ten more (30 x 10 300)... and those > > 300 send it to at least ten > > more (300 x 10 3,000) ... and so on, by the > > time the message reaches the > > sixth generation of people, we will have reached > > over THREE MILLION > > consumers! > > If those three million get excited and pass this > > on to ten friends each, > > then 30 million people will have been contacted! > > If it goes one level > > further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED > > MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all > > you have to do is send this to 10 people and > > DON"T purchase ANY gasoline > > from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all. > > > > If you don't understand how we can reach 300 > > million and all you have > > to do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's > > face it, you just aren't a > > mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this > > one. > > How long would all that take? If each of us > > sends this email out to ten > > more people within one day of receipt, all 300 > > MILLION people could > > conceivably be contacted within the next 8 > > days!!! I'll bet you didn't > > think you and I had that much potential, did > > you! Acting together we > > can make a difference. If this makes sense to > > you, please pass this > > message on. > > > > PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO > > THE $1.30 RANGE AND > > KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:49 PM PST US From: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" Sorry to use up bandwidth -But----- You're all missing the point! Try sending Congress a message, did you not hear the national gas tax is slated to go up? We are paying over, yes over, $2.30/gallon in Truckee. Why---because the rich folks who do drive the BIG SUV's pay the price as tourists, and get gouged by the gas companies, no matter how small here. Even independents. We can go to Reno,NV and pay $1.89/gal Why? Because of Calif. state gas tax. If you really want prices to come down, elect better officials! There are many engines that are fuel efficient---but the car makers cannot build them---gas companies don't want better fuel efficient cars! Seems you are all barking up the wrong tree. Trying to hurt the gas companies who have all the added gas taxes included in the price are not the only culprit in this mess. You're pretty harsh, Mr. Baldwin! Hope you don't fly like you write. We pay $2.50/gal for AVGAS. Self Employed and I drive a lot! Toodie in Truckee-----Pilot and wife, of Bob "Rocket" Marshall do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Rocket-List: > --> Rocket-List message posted by: jamesbaldwin@attglobal.net > > Frank - > This is probably one of the most ludicrous emails and ideas I have seen in a long > time. Perhaps you should try to educate yourself before exhibiting to us your > ignorance of the simple theorems found in the first week of Econ 101. Secondly, did > it occur to you the "other suppliers," once they discovered the proposed boycott of > their competitors, would not raise their prices since their capacity is limited > also? Do you know anything about the nature of an elastic supply and demand curve? > Besides all of the above, the American public is very plainly exhibiting their > preference for large fuel inefficient autos (SUVs, trucks, motorhomes, etc) and will > not change their consumer habits until forced to do so with pricing power. Please > don't waste this space with nonsense again. James Baldwin - employed by a consumer, > not a producer of energy > > Frank Haertlein wrote: > > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > Subject: FW: gas prices > > Join the resistance!!!! > > > > We are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by > > the summer. Do you want > > gasoline prices to come down? We need to take > > some intelligent, united > > action. > > > > Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: > > > > This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy > > gas on a certain day" > > campaign that was going around last April or > > May! > > > > The oil companies just laughed at that because > > they knew we wouldn't > > continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy > > gas. It was more often an > > inconvenience to us than it was a problem for > > them. BUT, whoever > > thought of this idea, has come up with a plan > > that can really work. > > Please read it and join with us! > > > > By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced > > at about $1.50 is > > super cheap. It is currently $1.97 for regular > > unleaded. > > > > Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations > > have conditioned us to > > think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP > > at $1.50-$1.75, we need > > to take aggressive action to teach them that > > BUYERS control the > > marketplace....not the sellers. > > > > With the price of gasoline going up more each > > day, we consumers need > > to take action. The only way we are going to see > > the price of gas come > > down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by > > not purchasing their gas! > > And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. > > > > How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't > > just stop buying gas. But > > we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all > > act together to force a > > price war. > > > > **************************************************************** > > Here's the idea: > > > > For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY > > gasoline from the two > > biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and > > MOBIL. If they are > > not selling any gas, they will be inclined to > > reduce their prices. If > > they reduce their prices, the other companies > > will have to follow suit. > > > > ******************************************************************* > > But to have an impact, we need to reach > > literally million! s of Exxon > > and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! > > Now, at this point... > > keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is > > to reach millions > > of people!! > > > > I am sending this note to about thirty people. > > If each of you send it to > > at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those > > 300 send it to at least ten > > more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the > > time the message reaches the > > sixth generation of people, we will have reached > > over THREE MILLION > > consumers! > > If those three million get excited and pass this > > on to ten friends each, > > then 30 million people will have been contacted! > > If it goes one level > > further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED > > MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all > > you have to do is send this to 10 people and > > DON"T purchase ANY gasoline > > from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all. > > > > If you don't understand how we can reach 300 > > million and all you have > > to do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's > > face it, you just aren't a > > mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this > > one. > > How long would all that take? If each of us > > sends this email out to ten > > more people within one day of receipt, all 300 > > MILLION people could > > conceivably be contacted within the next 8 > > days!!! I'll bet you didn't > > think you and I had that much potential, did > > you! Acting together we > > can make a difference. If this makes sense to > > you, please pass this > > message on. > > > > PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO > > THE $1.30 RANGE AND > > KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:59 PM PST US From: "Dallas Benham" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham" DO NOT ARCHIVE Very well said Robert! Dallas Benham N398DB