---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/19/03: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:31 AM - Additional parts to build HR2? (Blair) 2. 05:42 AM - Re: Additional parts to build HR2? (Randy Pflanzer) 3. 07:05 AM - airspeed? (Frazier, Vincent A) 4. 07:44 AM - Re: airspeed? (Boyd C. Braem) 5. 12:02 PM - RocketStuff (JOHNTMEY@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:19 AM PST US From: "Blair" Subject: Rocket-List: Additional parts to build HR2? --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Blair" I'm currently most of the way through an F1 tail kit and have ordered RV4 fuse & wing kit and HR2 kit. Was wondering if anyone has a list of other parts, that aren't in above kits, that I should start collecting and any advice on specific items. (EG wheels, brakes, fairings, throttles, canopy material etc) Cheers Tony Blair Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Paine" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Three point landings > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine > > At 03:57 PM 5/15/03 -0400, you wrote: > >--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Martin" > > > > > > Three point landings > > Good topic, with 500 hours I still do not have the absolute > > answers to that > >question. What I can tell you is that this plane has negligible ground > >effect and the sink rate at the lower, almost stall speeds are, how do I > >phrase this, impressive? > > As in why the heck did I land from 10 feet high?? Why I will never attempt > a 3 wheeler at hi density altitudes (6,000) & up > > I think one of the big problem nobody addressed is how much the elevator is > blanked out if you attempt a three wheeler without power!!!!!!! yikes! good > thing that titanium absorbs a lot of shock!! > > Tom ya know its interesting I had a t-18 for 12 years and could 80 - 90% of > the time do a real good 3 pointer but then I flew a friends with a > different gear set up and engine and couldn't do it at all!! > > > >Yes it is important that you have the stick all > >the way back at the right time but the key is the flare, too early and you > >will bounce, too late on the flare and, well, you will bounce even more. I > >make better three point landings with a passenger. I am not ashamed of > >wheel landings, I like them in this airplane and they can be very pretty and > >a LOT easier on the gear than a blotched three point. But sometimes you need > >to land in a shorter distance than a wheel landing permits so three pointers > >are a necessary. If for no other reason, then three pointers will bring a > >rocket guy down to earth, (pun intended), and humble him a little. > > I am going to continue practising for as long as I own one of > > these things. > > > >Tom Martin > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:07 AM PST US From: Randy Pflanzer Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Additional parts to build HR2? --> Rocket-List message posted by: Randy Pflanzer You might want to spend a lot of time visiting my friend, Vince Frazier's web site. He is also building a HR2 and using F1 Rocket parts to help. Vince is extremely helpful and I'm sure he wouldn't mind answering a question or two along the way. His site is: http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html Randy F1 Rocket http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Blair Subject: Rocket-List: Additional parts to build HR2? > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Blair" > > > I'm currently most of the way through an F1 tail kit and have > ordered RV4 > fuse & wing kit and HR2 kit. > > Was wondering if anyone has a list of other parts, that aren't in > abovekits, that I should start collecting and any advice on > specific items. (EG > wheels, brakes, fairings, throttles, canopy material etc) > > > Cheers > Tony Blair > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Paine" > To: > Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Three point landings > > > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine > > > > At 03:57 PM 5/15/03 -0400, you wrote: > > >--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Martin" > > > > > > > > > Three point landings > > > Good topic, with 500 hours I still do not have the > absolute> > answers to that > > >question. What I can tell you is that this plane has negligible > ground> >effect and the sink rate at the lower, almost stall > speeds are, how do I > > >phrase this, impressive? > > > > As in why the heck did I land from 10 feet high?? Why I will > never attempt > > a 3 wheeler at hi density altitudes (6,000) & up > > > > I think one of the big problem nobody addressed is how much the > elevatoris > > blanked out if you attempt a three wheeler without power!!!!!!! > yikes!good > > thing that titanium absorbs a lot of shock!! > > > > Tom ya know its interesting I had a t-18 for 12 years and could > 80 - 90% > of > > the time do a real good 3 pointer but then I flew a friends with a > > different gear set up and engine and couldn't do it at all!! > > > > > > >Yes it is important that you have the stick all > > >the way back at the right time but the key is the flare, too > early and > you > > >will bounce, too late on the flare and, well, you will bounce > even more. > I > > >make better three point landings with a passenger. I am not > ashamed of > > >wheel landings, I like them in this airplane and they can be > very pretty > and > > >a LOT easier on the gear than a blotched three point. But > sometimes you > need > > >to land in a shorter distance than a wheel landing permits so three > pointers > > >are a necessary. If for no other reason, then three pointers > will bring a > > >rocket guy down to earth, (pun intended), and humble him a little. > > > I am going to continue practising for as long as I own > one of > > > these things. > > > > > >Tom Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > _- > ======================================================================_- = - The Rocket-List Email Forum - > _- > ======================================================================_- = !! NEWish !! > _- > ======================================================================_- = List Related Information > _- > ====================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:15 AM PST US Subject: Rocket-List: airspeed? From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP Angle of attack indicator? SNIP Glad to finally hear someone mention an angle of attack indicator for landing use. I have one and plan to use it. It's also my mechanical backup in case the electrons leak out of the Dynon. That's the plan anyway. I also plan to leave all of the vacuum system and associated junk on the ground. That alone will save 10# and the cost of the Dynon. And the Dynon won't care if I spin the 540 backwards while installing my spinner. Vince do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:47 AM PST US From: "Boyd C. Braem" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: airspeed? --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Boyd C. Braem" Yeah, Vince--that sucking AOA thing ruined Naval aviation. If you could add-up how much fuel you had and + if there was anything still hanging on your hardpoints you would dial in your approach speed and then just fly your little AOA needle right down to the deck--and now, with the auto-pilot doing it, it's sort of embarrassing. Boyd. Frazier, Vincent A wrote: >--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > >SNIP Angle of attack indicator? SNIP > > >Glad to finally hear someone mention an angle of attack indicator for landing use. I have one and plan to use it. It's also my mechanical backup in case the electrons leak out of the Dynon. That's the plan anyway. > >I also plan to leave all of the vacuum system and associated junk on the ground. That alone will save 10# and the cost of the Dynon. And the Dynon won't care if I spin the 540 backwards while installing my spinner. > >Vince >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:53 PM PST US From: JOHNTMEY@aol.com Subject: Rocket-List: RocketStuff --> Rocket-List message posted by: JOHNTMEY@aol.com Tony, Man, you need a lot of "stuff". I am building HRocket... and have been humbled by the enormous number of "bits" needed to make this thing fly. It is not a good "kit" if you are into the "kit" concept, that is, everything listed and pre-packaged for you. Nada !! Earlier on, I resolved to keep track of all the parts + costs by using a spreadsheet, but have lapsed into a semi-comatose records-keeper just tossing all the lists, purchase orders, and invoices into a legal box. Someday when I am old, I may go through it see how much this thing is costing. Are you connected to the RVer's "down-under" ? You need the same "bits" that any RV needs, plus some more. I bought the canopy kit from Mark Frederick of F1, tip tanks from Johanson, etc, ad-nauseum. I don't know how it works for delivery 'down-under', but hereabouts, the UPS delivery-man gets quite intimate with the project and its progress. Regards, John Meyers Golden, CO