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1. 07:33 AM - dead stick landings (Harry Paine)
2. 08:04 AM - Re: dead stick landings (Bob & Toodie Marshall)
3. 08:24 AM - Re: dead stick landings (Tom Gummo)
4. 11:08 AM - Re: dead stick landings (Lee Taylor)
5. 11:11 AM - Re: dead stick landings (dougpoulton)
6. 01:55 PM - Re: dead stick landings (Tom Gummo)
7. 02:16 PM - Re: dead stick landings (LesDrag@aol.com)
8. 02:42 PM - ceramic coated exhaust pipes (Jim Stone)
9. 02:50 PM - Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes (Fred Weaver)
10. 02:58 PM - Re: dead stick landings (Bob & Toodie Marshall)
11. 02:59 PM - Re: dead stick landings (Boyd Braem)
12. 03:57 PM - Harley powered airplane (Brett Ray)
13. 05:09 PM - Re: dead stick landings (css nico)
14. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes (LesDrag@aol.com)
15. 05:47 PM - Re: dead stick landings (Boyd Braem)
16. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes (Phil Smith)
17. 06:20 PM - Re: dead stick landings (Boyd Braem)
18. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes (Norman Hunger)
19. 07:49 PM - Re: dead stick landings (LesDrag@aol.com)
20. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Spins/The Raven (css nico)
21. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Spins/The Raven (Boyd Braem)
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| Subject: | dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine <hpaine@earthlink.net>
Okay Okay spins pins F4's smores F100'S Bunions!!
Lets hear about rockets and engine out adventures!
It is a real eye opener when yoou pull the throttle all the way back and
leave it there till you reach the runway, I challenge all
you listers with rockets to try that and see what a boat anchor is like!!
266HP
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall@osb.net>
Hey Harry, that's easy, be abeam your landing numbers, pull throttle back
and TURN LEFT Fast ! better than any autorotation ! Do Not Archive, N999RM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Paine" <hpaine@earthlink.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine <hpaine@earthlink.net>
>
> Okay Okay spins pins F4's smores F100'S Bunions!!
>
> Lets hear about rockets and engine out adventures!
>
> It is a real eye opener when yoou pull the throttle all the way back and
> leave it there till you reach the runway, I challenge all
> you listers with rockets to try that and see what a boat anchor is like!!
>
> 266HP
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Bob,
I might add that you should be about 1/3 closer than most people fly their
downwind.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall@osb.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall"
<rtmarshall@osb.net>
>
> Hey Harry, that's easy, be abeam your landing numbers, pull throttle back
> and TURN LEFT Fast ! better than any autorotation ! Do Not Archive,
N999RM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Paine" <hpaine@earthlink.net>
> To: "Boyd C. Braem" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine <hpaine@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Okay Okay spins pins F4's smores F100'S Bunions!!
> >
> > Lets hear about rockets and engine out adventures!
> >
> > It is a real eye opener when yoou pull the throttle all the way back and
> > leave it there till you reach the runway, I challenge all
> > you listers with rockets to try that and see what a boat anchor is
like!!
> >
> > 266HP
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay1@idcomm.com>
Harry Paine writes:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine <hpaine@earthlink.net>
>
> Okay Okay spins pins F4's smores F100'S Bunions!!
>
> Lets hear about rockets and engine out adventures!
>
> It is a real eye opener when yoou pull the throttle all the way back and
> leave it there till you reach the runway, I challenge all
> you listers with rockets to try that and see what a boat anchor is like!!
>
> 266HP
HArry: (and others)
Want you to try one thing. Do exactly like you said, establish a good
power-off glide, and then pull your prop ALL THE WAY BACK to a coarse pitch
setting.
The plane will take off like a slick banana peel, and all of a sudden,
you will have a darned good glider on your hands, rather than that rock.
This little exercise will demonstrate just what that prop does to you
power-off.
Another exercise is to determine just where your zero-thrust point is.
After establishing a normal power-off glide, come in with throttle until you
can just feel the drag disappear. That is your zero-thrust point, and is
handy to know when you are shooting a more critical approach. Remember that
until you GET to that point, the prop is DRAGGING, and you have to get
BEYOND that point before the THRUST is effective. If you are shooting any
kind of approach that is demanding of thrust/drag considerations, you would
like to be right at this zero-thrust point so that you can easily and
quickly reach either power or drag, without any delay.
Lee Taylor
(and this note demonstrates what a stupid nut I am. I am in the middle of
my honeymoon in Florida, and I am writing this!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "dougpoulton" <dougpoulton@comcast.net>
I had to dead stick a Cessna 210 once, and learned that pulling the prop
control to full decrease reduced the descent rate by about half.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Bob,
> I might add that you should be about 1/3 closer than most people fly their
> downwind.
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall@osb.net>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall"
> <rtmarshall@osb.net>
> >
> > Hey Harry, that's easy, be abeam your landing numbers, pull throttle
back
> > and TURN LEFT Fast ! better than any autorotation ! Do Not Archive,
> N999RM
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harry Paine" <hpaine@earthlink.net>
> > To: "Boyd C. Braem" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> >
> >
> > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine <hpaine@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Okay Okay spins pins F4's smores F100'S Bunions!!
> > >
> > > Lets hear about rockets and engine out adventures!
> > >
> > > It is a real eye opener when yoou pull the throttle all the way back
and
> > > leave it there till you reach the runway, I challenge all
> > > you listers with rockets to try that and see what a boat anchor is
> like!!
> > >
> > > 266HP
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Lee,
Will this work once the engine quits and there is NO oil pressure?
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Taylor" <leetay1@idcomm.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay1@idcomm.com>
>
> Harry Paine writes:
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine <hpaine@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Okay Okay spins pins F4's smores F100'S Bunions!!
> >
> > Lets hear about rockets and engine out adventures!
> >
> > It is a real eye opener when yoou pull the throttle all the way back and
> > leave it there till you reach the runway, I challenge all
> > you listers with rockets to try that and see what a boat anchor is
like!!
> >
> > 266HP
>
> HArry: (and others)
>
> Want you to try one thing. Do exactly like you said, establish a good
> power-off glide, and then pull your prop ALL THE WAY BACK to a coarse
pitch
> setting.
> The plane will take off like a slick banana peel, and all of a sudden,
> you will have a darned good glider on your hands, rather than that rock.
> This little exercise will demonstrate just what that prop does to you
> power-off.
> Another exercise is to determine just where your zero-thrust point is.
> After establishing a normal power-off glide, come in with throttle until
you
> can just feel the drag disappear. That is your zero-thrust point, and is
> handy to know when you are shooting a more critical approach. Remember
that
> until you GET to that point, the prop is DRAGGING, and you have to get
> BEYOND that point before the THRUST is effective. If you are shooting any
> kind of approach that is demanding of thrust/drag considerations, you
would
> like to be right at this zero-thrust point so that you can easily and
> quickly reach either power or drag, without any delay.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> (and this note demonstrates what a stupid nut I am. I am in the middle
of
> my honeymoon in Florida, and I am writing this!)
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
In a message dated 12/14/2003 1:56:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
T.gummo@verizon.net writes:
Lee,
Will this work once the engine quits and there is NO oil pressure?
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
Shouldn't on a "standard" CS propeller.
Course pitch happens automatically on the "aerobatic" (counterweighted) CS
propeller with loose of oil pressure.
Do Not Archive
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | ceramic coated exhaust pipes |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Does anyone have any experience with problems associated with adding a
ceramic coating to exhaust pipes? Mine have been coated and I was told
last week that they are "junk" and will fail prematurely. This would
not be a good thing. Your inputs will help me decide whether or not to
buy a new set to avoid a reasonable risk.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Message 9
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| Subject: | Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
I have ceramic coated pipes on my 0-360 powered Tailwind and they are fine..
I had them coated because they were fabricated from mild steel tubing and
they needed something to protect them from corrosion...And I wanted the
thermal advantages also. When I had the exhaust done (4 discreet pipes), I
also had the intake tubes done.. My tubes weren't chromed, they were
painted....So, when I had them ceramic coated, I selected a shiny aluminum
finish. They damn near look like chrome.
Bottom line? I don't really have any idea why someone wouldn't want to coat
their exhaust pipes.. That being said, I have Vetterman's SS exhaust system
on my Rocket and I wouldn't want to cover it up as it looks so good just the
way it is..
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: ceramic coated exhaust pipes
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with problems associated with adding a
> ceramic coating to exhaust pipes? Mine have been coated and I was told
> last week that they are "junk" and will fail prematurely. This would
> not be a good thing. Your inputs will help me decide whether or not to
> buy a new set to avoid a reasonable risk.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Stone
>
>
Message 10
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall@osb.net>
Tom, I agree, if you fly a tight glider pattern and pretend is has the
glide ratio of flat rock, a dead stick landing is possible and exciting. Bob
N999RM. Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Bob,
> I might add that you should be about 1/3 closer than most people fly their
> downwind.
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall@osb.net>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall"
> <rtmarshall@osb.net>
> >
> > Hey Harry, that's easy, be abeam your landing numbers, pull throttle
back
> > and TURN LEFT Fast ! better than any autorotation ! Do Not Archive,
> N999RM
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harry Paine" <hpaine@earthlink.net>
> > To: "Boyd C. Braem" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> >
> >
> > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine <hpaine@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Okay Okay spins pins F4's smores F100'S Bunions!!
> > >
> > > Lets hear about rockets and engine out adventures!
> > >
> > > It is a real eye opener when yoou pull the throttle all the way back
and
> > > leave it there till you reach the runway, I challenge all
> > > you listers with rockets to try that and see what a boat anchor is
> like!!
> > >
> > > 266HP
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 11
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> (and this note demonstrates what a stupid nut I am. I am in the
> middle of
> my honeymoon in Florida, and I am writing this!)
Lee--
That's why some people consider you an aviator and not just a pilot.
That's also why I'm getting this stronger and stronger urge to remove
the flaps on the Super 6 and put in full-length ailerons. My 80" C/S
prop is both my transmission and my brake.
Boyd.
On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 02:08 PM, Lee Taylor wrote:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay1@idcomm.com>
>
> HArry: (and others)
>
> Want you to try one thing. Do exactly like you said, establish a
> good
> power-off glide, and then pull your prop ALL THE WAY BACK to a coarse
> pitch
> setting.
> The plane will take off like a slick banana peel, and all of a
> sudden,
> you will have a darned good glider on your hands, rather than that
> rock.
> This little exercise will demonstrate just what that prop does to you
> power-off.
> Another exercise is to determine just where your zero-thrust point
> is.
> After establishing a normal power-off glide, come in with throttle
> until you
> can just feel the drag disappear. That is your zero-thrust point, and
> is
> handy to know when you are shooting a more critical approach.
> Remember that
> until you GET to that point, the prop is DRAGGING, and you have to get
> BEYOND that point before the THRUST is effective. If you are shooting
> any
> kind of approach that is demanding of thrust/drag considerations, you
> would
> like to be right at this zero-thrust point so that you can easily and
> quickly reach either power or drag, without any delay.
>
> Lee Taylor
>
> (and this note demonstrates what a stupid nut I am. I am in the
> middle of
> my honeymoon in Florida, and I am writing this!)
Message 12
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| Subject: | Harley powered airplane |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <Brett@hog-air.com>
I hang out in the Zenith list but I watch this one also. I hope to
some day build a rocket. I thought some of you might get a kick out
the one I built. I put in a Harley motor. You can see video of it at
www.hog-air.com/video.htm
--
Brett Ray
Message 13
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
In practicing dead stick landings I tried that once with a CFI in the right
seat and he wasn't too happy saying that it messes up my judgment if I am
used to a fine pitch windmilling prop. I thought a full coarse pitch would
buy me some time and the judgment comes from having made landings at various
rates of descent.
Go figure.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "dougpoulton" <dougpoulton@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "dougpoulton" <dougpoulton@comcast.net>
>
> I had to dead stick a Cessna 210 once, and learned that pulling the prop
> control to full decrease reduced the descent rate by about half.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> >
> > Bob,
> > I might add that you should be about 1/3 closer than most people fly
their
> > downwind.
> > Tom Gummo
> > Apple Valley, CA
> > Harmon Rocket-II
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall@osb.net>
> > To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> >
> >
> > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bob & Toodie Marshall"
> > <rtmarshall@osb.net>
> > >
> > > Hey Harry, that's easy, be abeam your landing numbers, pull throttle
> back
> > > and TURN LEFT Fast ! better than any autorotation ! Do Not Archive,
> > N999RM
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Harry Paine" <hpaine@earthlink.net>
> > > To: "Boyd C. Braem" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Rocket-List: dead stick landings
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Harry Paine
<hpaine@earthlink.net>
> > > >
> > > > Okay Okay spins pins F4's smores F100'S Bunions!!
> > > >
> > > > Lets hear about rockets and engine out adventures!
> > > >
> > > > It is a real eye opener when yoou pull the throttle all the way back
> and
> > > > leave it there till you reach the runway, I challenge all
> > > > you listers with rockets to try that and see what a boat anchor is
> > like!!
> > > >
> > > > 266HP
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
Hi All,
I heard that a ceramic coat on the exhaust pipes doesn't allow you to reweld
them if you get a crack. Anyone know anything different?
Jim Ayers
Message 15
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Tom--
Agreed.
If I'm coming in "standard/precautionary" or whatever, I usually put my
wing tip on the centerline of the runway when downwind and then do a
"circular" turn (180) to final. (While the flight instructors have
their charges about 2 miles away, so they can burn up extra flight time
on the clock). If things are "nervous"--I call an Overhead Approach
and then turn a circular 360 at mid-field--break turn, 4 g's, flaps ,
gear and down to 250 kts--Oh, yeah, we're in RV's now--but I still like
a good smoking' hot Overhead if you need it. Pilots should know how to
do one (it is still a legal maneuver) in place of a straight-in ( tho,
if you need it, call it and tell those ****** bizzjets and stuff to
just get out of the way--that's your right and your privilege as PIC.
Boyd.
Never had a flight problem in my life, it was always the GIB.
do not archive
On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 11:25 AM, Tom Gummo wrote:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Bob,
> I might add that you should be about 1/3 closer than most people fly
> their
> downwind.
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Phil Smith" <phil@analysis-inc.com>
You'll have to grind through the coating before you can weld them.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LesDrag@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes
--> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
Hi All,
I heard that a ceramic coat on the exhaust pipes doesn't allow you to
reweld
them if you get a crack. Anyone know anything different?
Jim Ayers
=
==
==
==
==
Message 17
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
That's correct, Jim, and a nice thought, but how many RVs/Rockets have
counterweighted props, if you can find one that fits?
Boyd
(and just being a bitch, here, it's "coarse" not "course".
On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 05:16 PM, LesDrag@aol.com wrote:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/14/2003 1:56:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> T.gummo@verizon.net writes:
> Lee,
>
> Will this work once the engine quits and there is NO oil pressure?
>
>
> Shouldn't on a "standard" CS propeller.
>
> Course pitch happens automatically on the "aerobatic"
> (counterweighted) CS
> propeller with loose of oil pressure.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Jim Ayers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ceramic coated exhaust pipes |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Norman Hunger" <nhunger@sprint.ca>
> Hi All,
>
> I heard that a ceramic coat on the exhaust pipes doesn't allow you to
reweld
> them if you get a crack. Anyone know anything different?
Ceramic coatings can be grinded off where you have clearance problems or
where you need to weld a crack.
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with problems associated with adding a
> ceramic coating to exhaust pipes? Mine have been coated and I was told
> last week that they are "junk" and will fail prematurely. This would
> not be a good thing. Your inputs will help me decide whether or not to
> buy a new set to avoid a reasonable risk.
>
This is not true. If anything it makes them stronger. It certainly means
heat cycles are not going to factor as much against the metal as the ceramic
blocks so much of the heat. Almost every well funded auto racing teams use
ceramic coatings where their individual rules allow. My race car has the
entire exhaust system coated and I've had no problems. In fact I've
benefited from less heat under the car and a few more ponies at the wheels.
The coating is very thin, weight gain is very small. I intend to coat the
exhaust and intake pipes on my RV6A when I get to the engine installation.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
CASCAR Western Series #96
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
In a message dated 12/14/2003 6:20:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bcbraem@comcast.net writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
That's correct, Jim, and a nice thought, but how many RVs/Rockets have
counterweighted props, if you can find one that fits?
Boyd
Gary Rudolf has a counterweighted CS propeller on his HR2. (Please check my
grammar, spell check can't.)
It doesn't seem very well known, but MT Propeller provides custom designed CS
propellers.
That's why we use a questionnaire data sheet to take down the customers
information for the propeller and spinner.
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
MT Propeller
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Spins/The Raven |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Folks,
I am new to the list and aerobatics too. What does 'screwing the pooch'
mean? It's easy figuring 'going splat' but the other one has me floored. You
got that one, didn't you?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE: Spins/The Raven
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Aw, Come on Chuck.... Skip the big bucks deposit and just go out there
> blastin' around with some model airplane judges watching you. They will
tell
> you what you did wrong... And all you have to do is avoid screwing the
> pooch.. Oh, then you have to keep from going splat. That Von guy sure
has
> a way with words eh? Be sure to leave the chute in a hangar
somewhere.....
> Good to know you were a hang glider pilot too....
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE: Spins/The Raven
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
> >
> > Boyd,
> >
> > I know, I know, I know! I (and several other hangglider pilots
at
> > the time) got a ride in his raven (before the turbine). This was a
bunch
> of
> > years back at Wayne's dirt strip. I was on tow (about 500' up/off the
> tow
> > truck) with a pax and here comes Wayne... He was less than 100' off my
> > right wing durin' a F~CKING LOOP. This was a tandem Instructor Clinic
> and
> > my pax was shitting his pants. I calmed the pax down by explaining
that
> > "The Raven" was obviously very skilled and knowledgeable; and that this
> was
> > evidenced by the pilot's choice to be slightly down wind of our position
> so
> > his wake/rotors/wash/etc... would not get us. That day I watched Wayne
> do
> > inside loops, outside loops, inside knife edges, outside knife edges,
and
> > tons of other stuff. I know you're gonna say "Bull Shit", but the next
> day
> > (it was a multi-day course) I watched a cute lady land in an Eagle II or
> > something similar. And Wayne took her up for about an hour. I'm sure
I
> > could probably find the date(s) from my H.G. log books. But anyways, I
> > swear when I saw Patti Wagstaff on TV a few years later, I said "That
was
> > her.".
> >
> > Yes, I gonna pay the man the big $$$ and get me learned a thing or
> > three.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> > To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE: Spins/The Raven
> >
> >
> > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Chuck--
> > >
> > > Wayne Handley flew my 'plane for about 2 hours--he really had a good
> > > time--did possibly everything you could do to it without a hammer and
> > > drill, or maybe even a file. I could see him up there spinnin' an'
> > > spinnin' and even did an end-over-end (lomcevak).
> > >
> > > With his own plane, the Turbo Raven, he had this neat trick where he
> > > would take off, immediately go into a loop and then land where he had
> > > taken off from--except this one time when the prop stuck in beta on
> > > the down line and he pancaked and cracked a vertabrae or two--but,
he's
> > > back up flying, now. Good guy, he used to fly crop dusters and he can
> > > make an airplane turn like you wouldn't believe. Ask him to show you
an
> > > "expedited P-turn".
> > >
> > > Boyd.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Spins/The Raven |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Nico--
"Screwing the Pooch' is when you really screw up and the consequences
are "yours" because, what whatever you did is totally your fault.
"Augering in" and "digging a hole" are similar expressions. I don't
know where the "pooch" phrase came from, but it's been around for a
long time. Any one???
On Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 10:57 PM, css nico wrote:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "css nico"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Folks,
> I am new to the list and aerobatics too. What does 'screwing the pooch'
> mean? It's easy figuring 'going splat' but the other one has me
> floored. You
> got that one, didn't you?
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE: Spins/The Raven
>
>
>> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
>> <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Aw, Come on Chuck.... Skip the big bucks deposit and just go out there
>> blastin' around with some model airplane judges watching you. They
>> will
> tell
>> you what you did wrong... And all you have to do is avoid screwing the
>> pooch.. Oh, then you have to keep from going splat. That Von guy
>> sure
> has
>> a way with words eh? Be sure to leave the chute in a hangar
> somewhere.....
>> Good to know you were a hang glider pilot too....
>> Weav
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE: Spins/The Raven
>>
>>
>>> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>>>
>>> Boyd,
>>>
>>> I know, I know, I know! I (and several other hangglider
>>> pilots
> at
>>> the time) got a ride in his raven (before the turbine). This was a
> bunch
>> of
>>> years back at Wayne's dirt strip. I was on tow (about 500' up/off
>>> the
>> tow
>>> truck) with a pax and here comes Wayne... He was less than 100'
>>> off my
>>> right wing durin' a F~CKING LOOP. This was a tandem Instructor
>>> Clinic
>> and
>>> my pax was shitting his pants. I calmed the pax down by explaining
> that
>>> "The Raven" was obviously very skilled and knowledgeable; and that
>>> this
>> was
>>> evidenced by the pilot's choice to be slightly down wind of our
>>> position
>> so
>>> his wake/rotors/wash/etc... would not get us. That day I watched
>>> Wayne
>> do
>>> inside loops, outside loops, inside knife edges, outside knife edges,
> and
>>> tons of other stuff. I know you're gonna say "Bull Shit", but the
>>> next
>> day
>>> (it was a multi-day course) I watched a cute lady land in an Eagle
>>> II or
>>> something similar. And Wayne took her up for about an hour. I'm
>>> sure
> I
>>> could probably find the date(s) from my H.G. log books. But
>>> anyways, I
>>> swear when I saw Patti Wagstaff on TV a few years later, I said "That
> was
>>> her.".
>>>
>>> Yes, I gonna pay the man the big $$$ and get me learned a thing
>>> or
>>> three.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>>> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE: Spins/The Raven
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck--
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Handley flew my 'plane for about 2 hours--he really had a
>>>> good
>>>> time--did possibly everything you could do to it without a hammer
>>>> and
>>>> drill, or maybe even a file. I could see him up there spinnin' an'
>>>> spinnin' and even did an end-over-end (lomcevak).
>>>>
>>>> With his own plane, the Turbo Raven, he had this neat trick where
>>>> he
>>>> would take off, immediately go into a loop and then land where he
>>>> had
>>>> taken off from--except this one time when the prop stuck in beta on
>>>> the down line and he pancaked and cracked a vertabrae or two--but,
> he's
>>>> back up flying, now. Good guy, he used to fly crop dusters and he
>>>> can
>>>> make an airplane turn like you wouldn't believe. Ask him to show you
> an
>>>> "expedited P-turn".
>>>>
>>>> Boyd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
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