---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/03/04: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:31 AM - Re: HR II FI elbow (Loren Harmon) 2. 06:59 AM - Re: HR II FI elbow (Jim Stone) 3. 07:42 AM - Re: HR II FI elbow (Mlfred@aol.com) 4. 07:50 AM - Re: HR II FI elbow (Wernerworld) 5. 08:50 AM - Re: HR II FI elbow (Hr2pilot@aol.com) 6. 09:25 AM - Wheel pants (Jim Stone) 7. 06:10 PM - Re: HR II FI elbow (Jim Anglin) 8. 07:10 PM - Re: HR II FI elbow (Dan Checkoway) 9. 08:14 PM - [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 10. 09:58 PM - Group Buy? MT 3 blade propeller? (LesDrag@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:24 AM PST US From: "Loren Harmon" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Loren Harmon" You can get the elbow from the people who rebuild the Bendix injector. They make a very nice one with a drain installed. About $130. Mark Frederick has their number. You need to build a throttle/mixture cable mount (spacer) that will also go under the elbow. If that doesn't cure the spacing problem, you can buy new studs at your local NAPA store. Loren Harmon s/n 76 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Anglin Subject: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" I got the injection fwd looking elbow from Harmon LLC and it is terribly distorted from welding. The corners of the flanges on both ends are warped up + - .040". Anybody know if this will pull down or will it leak air forever? Also, if I install this elbow to the bottom of the sump the studs hit the side of the elbow before it seats. I can cut off the studs or put a spacer between the ell and the sump, which may cause interference problems with the cowl. What are most guys doing? Last - does anyone know if Slick harnesses will fit Bendix mags? Jim in the dark.............. == == == == ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:20 AM PST US From: "Jim Stone" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" I got my elbow from Hamon company and it was slightly warped but pulled up ok during tightening. You will have to use a bolt or stud as required to avoid the interferance problem. I will check my install and let you know what I did. Jim PS My elbow did not come with a drain. Is one required? What is it used for. Please don't tell me I have to remove the servo and elbow to install one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Harmon" Subject: RE: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Loren Harmon" > > You can get the elbow from the people who rebuild the Bendix injector. > They make a very nice one with a drain installed. About $130. Mark > Frederick has their number. You need to build a throttle/mixture cable > mount (spacer) that will also go under the elbow. If that doesn't cure > the spacing problem, you can buy new studs at your local NAPA store. > > Loren Harmon > s/n 76 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Anglin > To: Rocket List > Subject: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" > > > I got the injection fwd looking elbow from Harmon LLC and it is terribly > distorted from welding. The corners of the flanges on both ends are > warped > up + - .040". Anybody know if this will pull down or will it leak air > forever? > Also, if I install this elbow to the bottom of the sump the studs hit > the > side of the elbow before it seats. I can cut off the studs or put a > spacer > between the ell and the sump, which may cause interference problems with > the > cowl. What are most guys doing? > Last - does anyone know if Slick harnesses will fit Bendix mags? > > Jim in the dark.............. > > > == > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:14 AM PST US From: Mlfred@aol.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow --> Rocket-List message posted by: Mlfred@aol.com In a message dated 3/3/2004 8:59:48 AM Central Standard Time, jrstone@insightbb.com writes: PS My elbow did not come with a drain. Is one required? What is it used for. Please don't tell me I have to remove the servo and elbow to install one. Hey Jim: Ref: fwd facing injector installations: The drain valve is an Airflow Perf part (P/N 1090138 drain valve), call Colleen Rivera at 864.576.4512 to order. It allows the fuel normally dribbled out of the FI system upper deck to drain out of the intake system after shutdown, and before restart. Think of it: the fuel will pool at the low point, which is right at the elbow. Of course, the engine will suck all this in when it fires.... To install such a part onto John's welded elbow would probably require a 1/8" pipe welded boss to be installed at the correct location. The cast Airflow elbow is thick enough to be simply drilled & tapped... Cheers! Mark Team Rocket LP ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:47 AM PST US From: "Wernerworld" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" This shouldn't be needed, as there is no drain on a stock forward-facing injector elbow. Just remember to keep cranking! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Mlfred@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/3/2004 8:59:48 AM Central Standard Time, > jrstone@insightbb.com writes: > PS My elbow did not come with a drain. Is one required? What is it used > for. Please don't tell me I have to remove the servo and elbow to install > one. > Hey Jim: > > Ref: fwd facing injector installations: > > The drain valve is an Airflow Perf part (P/N 1090138 drain valve), call > Colleen Rivera at 864.576.4512 to order. It allows the fuel normally dribbled out > of the FI system upper deck to drain out of the intake system after shutdown, > and before restart. > > Think of it: the fuel will pool at the low point, which is right at the > elbow. Of course, the engine will suck all this in when it fires.... > > To install such a part onto John's welded elbow would probably require a 1/8" > pipe welded boss to be installed at the correct location. The cast Airflow > elbow is thick enough to be simply drilled & tapped... > > Cheers! > Mark > Team Rocket LP > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:39 AM PST US From: Hr2pilot@aol.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow --> Rocket-List message posted by: Hr2pilot@aol.com The drain valve well also open in flight with the Ram door open,and it makes a mess. John ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:16 AM PST US From: "Jim Stone" Subject: Rocket-List: Wheel pants --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" I just finished drilling wheel pants to brackets with the aircraft in a leveled attitude. After lowering the tail to rest on the tail wheel, the pants looked a bit odd, kind of nose up, tail down. I measured and got 1 3/4" from ground up to bottom of wheel pant aft most edge (clearance). Does anyone have a minimum clearance distance needed. Mark calls for a 7 1/2" clearance in level attitude (I had about 6 3/4") and that allowed for an imaginary line to be drawn through the center of the pant front to back and that line leveled (perhaps this is not necessary). The pants look fine in level attitude. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:29 PM PST US From: "Jim Anglin" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" I am sorry but I'm in the dark here having not had much schooling in aviation engines.. What is the upper deck? Where does this fuel that dribbles down go in a vertically installed injection servo? I don't recall this being an issue in my IO320B1A powered RV-6. Also, isn't this the negative pressure part of the intake system where air leaks are a bad thing? Is this valve (vent) coltrolled by the pilot or just open to the atmosphere? Again sorry for my ignorance.......... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow snip. > Hey Jim: > > Ref: fwd facing injector installations: > > The drain valve is an Airflow Perf part (P/N 1090138 drain valve), call > Colleen Rivera at 864.576.4512 to order. It allows the fuel normally dribbled out > of the FI system upper deck to drain out of the intake system after shutdown, > and before restart. > > Think of it: the fuel will pool at the low point, which is right at the > elbow. Of course, the engine will suck all this in when it fires.... > > To install such a part onto John's welded elbow would probably require a 1/8" > pipe welded boss to be installed at the correct location. The cast Airflow > elbow is thick enough to be simply drilled & tapped... > > Cheers! > Mark > Team Rocket LP > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:49 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HR II FI elbow --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > I am sorry but I'm in the dark here having not had much schooling in > aviation engines.. What is the upper deck? Where does this fuel that > dribbles down go in a vertically installed injection servo? I don't recall > this being an issue in my IO320B1A powered RV-6. Also, isn't this the > negative pressure part of the intake system where air leaks are a bad thing? > Is this valve (vent) coltrolled by the pilot or just open to the atmosphere? > Again sorry for my ignorance.......... It's a one-way valve. When the engine is running, the vacuum produced at the sump causes a diaphragm/wafer inside the valve to close. When the engine stops, the diaphragm "drops" and allows fluids to bypass it. If you have the part in hand, you can shake it and hear the diaphragm moving up and down. In fact...this is one potential intake leak source and is worth checking if you ever suspect you have an intake leak...but I digress... The source of the fuel would be the injector. Fuel would theoretically make its way into the combustion chamber, out through an open intake valve, down into an intake tube, down into the sump...or whatever the low point in the system is (i.e. an elbow like these guys are talking about). Something like that...correct me if I'm wrong. Ironically, just 10 minutes ago I installed the sniffle valve and aft-running drain tube on my RV-7's IO-360-A1B6 w/AFP FM-200 (sorry, I'm just a little guy monitoring the big guy list). 8-) )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:06 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) DNA: not not archive Subject: Rocket-List: [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... --> Rocket-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Dear Listers, First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said... There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such things as: "your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access" "Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail content) outgoing from your e-mail account" "Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions." "Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to configure our free auto-forwarding service." All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your system", or "check your system for infections". These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and propagate even more copies of the original message. The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that appear to be from "support@matronics.com", "management@matronics.com", "administration@matronics.com", and "staff@matronics.com". The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged source address, seem even more legitimate. Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily basis. Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this email with any comments. You may write to me directly at dralle@matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List. Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages. Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date! Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in an 18 hour period! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:00 PM PST US From: LesDrag@aol.com Subject: Rocket-List: Group Buy? MT 3 blade propeller? --> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com Hi All, If enough people are interested, I'm willing to offer a group buy for the MT 3 blade propeller used on the Harmon Rocket 2 and F-1 Rocket. MTV-9-B/198-52 propeller including spinner. I need 16 orders to make a group buy. Current price would be $8,500 including delivery and assembly in Southern California. Assembled shipping to the individual customer would be extra. The group buy would be initiated when there are enough orders. No deposit required until a firm group buy of 16 is established. I already have 1 person for this group buy. I need 15 more. Jim Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. OEM Distributor for MT Propeller