---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/30/04: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - insurance rates (Frazier, Vincent A) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: insurance rates (Ernest Hale) 3. 07:00 AM - Re: insurance rates (N414C) 4. 07:08 AM - Re: insurance rates (Ernest Hale) 5. 07:10 AM - Re: insurance rates (Wernerworld) 6. 08:49 AM - Re: insurance rates (Fred Weaver) 7. 08:59 AM - Re: insurance rates (LesDrag@aol.com) 8. 09:02 AM - Want to trade for a Harmon Rocket (Hr2pilot@aol.com) 9. 09:30 AM - MT Propeller update (LesDrag@aol.com) 10. 09:33 AM - Re: insurance rates (Ernest Hale) 11. 06:38 PM - Re: insurance rates (Wayne Loeber) 12. 07:55 PM - Re: insurance rates (Richard Bibb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:47 AM PST US Subject: Rocket-List: insurance rates From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP I'd like to get some current info on insurance for the Rockets, both Harmon and F1. If you are willing to share: - What is your experience level? (Total hours, hours in type or similar type) - What levels of insurance do you carry? - What are the premiums for same? I'm trying to do a comparison of these rates against the RV-7/8 series as a possible decision point on what I build. Thanks. - AlanSNIP Alan, I've got about 400+ hours, mostly in tailwheel RVs. I got a quote Friday for over $7000 to insure my Rocket. :-O I received another quote a few months ago for $3300 and thought that was bad so I kept looking. I suppose I should've jumped on it. Looks like I'll be flying naked! Recommendations welcome! Vince ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:33 AM PST US From: Ernest Hale Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale Wow, with about 1400 total and probably 200 in rocket i lowered my hull to 100,000 and got insurance about 6 weeks ago for a little over 3,000. On Aug 30, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Frazier, Vincent A wrote: > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > > > SNIP > > I'd like to get some current info on insurance for the Rockets, both > Harmon and F1. If you are willing to share: > > - What is your experience level? (Total hours, hours in type or > similar > type) > > - What levels of insurance do you carry? > > - What are the premiums for same? > > I'm trying to do a comparison of these rates against the RV-7/8 series > as a possible decision point on what I build. > > Thanks. > > - AlanSNIP > > Alan, > > I've got about 400+ hours, mostly in tailwheel RVs. I got a quote > Friday for over $7000 to insure my Rocket. :-O > > I received another quote a few months ago for $3300 and thought that > was > bad so I kept looking. I suppose I should've jumped on it. Looks like > I'll be flying naked! > > Recommendations welcome! > > Vince > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:52 AM PST US From: N414C Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: N414C Just purchased an F1 EAA/Falcon said it would be around $3800 but this was the day after the Harmon went through a roof in California. They stopped insuring rockets for the time being. Have not checked since. Milt ----- Original Message ----- From: Frazier, Vincent A To: rocket-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:57 AM Subject: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP I'd like to get some current info on insurance for the Rockets, both Harmon and F1. If you are willing to share: - What is your experience level? (Total hours, hours in type or similar type) - What levels of insurance do you carry? - What are the premiums for same? I'm trying to do a comparison of these rates against the RV-7/8 series as a possible decision point on what I build. Thanks. - AlanSNIP Alan, I've got about 400+ hours, mostly in tailwheel RVs. I got a quote Friday for over $7000 to insure my Rocket. :-O I received another quote a few months ago for $3300 and thought that was bad so I kept looking. I suppose I should've jumped on it. Looks like I'll be flying naked! Recommendations welcome! Vince ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:00 AM PST US From: Ernest Hale Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale Has anyone heard what happened on that crash? On Aug 30, 2004, at 10:00 AM, N414C wrote: > --> Rocket-List message posted by: N414C > > Just purchased an F1 EAA/Falcon said it would be around $3800 but this > was the day after the Harmon went through a roof in California. They > stopped insuring rockets for the time being. Have not checked since. > > Milt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frazier, Vincent A > To: rocket-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:57 AM > Subject: Rocket-List: insurance rates > > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > > > SNIP > > I'd like to get some current info on insurance for the Rockets, both > Harmon and F1. If you are willing to share: > > - What is your experience level? (Total hours, hours in type or > similar > type) > > - What levels of insurance do you carry? > > - What are the premiums for same? > > I'm trying to do a comparison of these rates against the RV-7/8 > series > as a possible decision point on what I build. > > Thanks. > > - AlanSNIP > > Alan, > > I've got about 400+ hours, mostly in tailwheel RVs. I got a quote > Friday for over $7000 to insure my Rocket. :-O > > I received another quote a few months ago for $3300 and thought that > was > bad so I kept looking. I suppose I should've jumped on it. Looks > like > I'll be flying naked! > > Recommendations welcome! > > Vince > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:59 AM PST US From: "Wernerworld" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" Ernest, What company are you working with and what company wrote the policy? Russ Werner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Hale" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale > > Wow, with about 1400 total and probably 200 in rocket i lowered my hull > to 100,000 and got insurance about 6 weeks ago for a little over 3,000. > > > On Aug 30, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Frazier, Vincent A wrote: > > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > > > > > > > SNIP > > > > I'd like to get some current info on insurance for the Rockets, both > > Harmon and F1. If you are willing to share: > > > > - What is your experience level? (Total hours, hours in type or > > similar > > type) > > > > - What levels of insurance do you carry? > > > > - What are the premiums for same? > > > > I'm trying to do a comparison of these rates against the RV-7/8 series > > as a possible decision point on what I build. > > > > Thanks. > > > > - AlanSNIP > > > > Alan, > > > > I've got about 400+ hours, mostly in tailwheel RVs. I got a quote > > Friday for over $7000 to insure my Rocket. :-O > > > > I received another quote a few months ago for $3300 and thought that > > was > > bad so I kept looking. I suppose I should've jumped on it. Looks like > > I'll be flying naked! > > > > Recommendations welcome! > > > > Vince > > > > > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > _- > > ======================================================================= > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:25 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Falcon is still the best arrangement going I think. At least they know what a Rocket is. One thing you might want to take a look at Vince, is going with a lower number for the hull coverage. Cut the value in half and get the medical and liability.... Fly that way for a year or two and then they might lower their rates. Fat chance..... Weav Flying naked ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frazier, Vincent A" Subject: Rocket-List: insurance rates > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > > SNIP > > I'd like to get some current info on insurance for the Rockets, both > Harmon and F1. If you are willing to share: > > - What is your experience level? (Total hours, hours in type or similar > type) > > - What levels of insurance do you carry? > > - What are the premiums for same? > > I'm trying to do a comparison of these rates against the RV-7/8 series > as a possible decision point on what I build. > > Thanks. > > - AlanSNIP > > Alan, > > I've got about 400+ hours, mostly in tailwheel RVs. I got a quote > Friday for over $7000 to insure my Rocket. :-O > > I received another quote a few months ago for $3300 and thought that was > bad so I kept looking. I suppose I should've jumped on it. Looks like > I'll be flying naked! > > Recommendations welcome! > > Vince > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:43 AM PST US From: LesDrag@aol.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com Hi All, Don't set the hull coverage too low. If the damage equals the hull coverage, the insurance company owns your aircraft for the covered amount. Jim Ayers In a message dated 08/30/2004 8:50:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Mytyweav@earthlink.net writes: --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Falcon is still the best arrangement going I think. At least they know what a Rocket is. One thing you might want to take a look at Vince, is going with a lower number for the hull coverage. Cut the value in half and get the medical and liability.... Fly that way for a year or two and then they might lower their rates. Fat chance..... Weav Flying naked ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:47 AM PST US From: Hr2pilot@aol.com Subject: Rocket-List: Want to trade for a Harmon Rocket --> Rocket-List message posted by: Hr2pilot@aol.com Email: doug@sillect.com Phone: (661) 301-9600 Calltime: up to 7pm PST daily Name: Doug Thompson Question: I have a private 1900 ft strip in Bakersfield, Ca. Looking for a safe, fast fuel efficient plane, However I am not interested in building. I want to trade out or sell off some of my finished aircraft and get into something fast and fun. I currently have Cessna's running out my ears. Straight tail 150 that is the best looking in Kern county. 1959 310 curently in final phases of restoration. And my daily flyer 1980 P-210 which is my fast go high in comfort plane w/AC. If you know how to put me in touch with others looking to sell or trade, please call me at (661) 301-9600 Doug THompson From: HarmonRocket@aol.com Subject: Want to trade for a Harmon Rocket -------------------------------1093881424 http://www.harmonrocket.com/ -------------------------------1093881424 http://www.harmonrocket.com/ -------------------------------1093881424-- From: support@ncws.com Subject: Rocket Inquiry ABOUT Page Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by () on Sunday, August 29, 2004 at 06:57:11 Email: doug@sillect.com Phone: (661) 301-9600 Calltime: up to 7pm PST daily Name: Doug Thompson Question: I have a private 1900 ft strip in Bakersfield, Ca. Looking for a safe, fast=20fuel efficient plane, However I am not interested in building. But the word experimental has me wondering just how safe can they be? So the original builder must be reputable. I want to trade out or sell off some of my finished aircraft and get into something fast and fun. I currently have Cessna's running out my ears. Straight tail 150 that is the best looking in Kern county. 1959 310 curently in final phases of restoration. And my daily flyer 1980 P-210 which is my fast go high in comfort plane w/AC. If you know how to put me in touch with others looking to sell or trade, please call me at (661) 301-9600 Doug THompson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:13 AM PST US From: LesDrag@aol.com Subject: Rocket-List: MT Propeller update --> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com Hi All, MT Propeller is now offering a 4 blade propeller for the Lycoming 540 engine Rocket that has the same efficiency as their 3 blade propeller. I am offering the following prices for MT Propellers. All prices require the addition of shipping, customs fees and any applicable sale tax. (I've changed my pricing structure to simplify the offering price. Now shipping is NOT included in the price.) Standard 78" diameter 3 blade Rocket propeller MTV-9-B/198-52 - $8,100 plus shipping, customs fees and any applicable sale tax. Counterweighted 78" diameter 3 blade Rocket propeller MTV-9-B-C/C198-52 - $8,700 plus shipping, customs fees and any applicable sale tax. 75" diameter 4 blade Rocket propeller MTV-14-B - $9,100 plus shipping, customs fees and any applicable sale tax. Counterweighted 75" diameter 4 blade Rocket propeller MTV-14-B-C - $9,900 plus shipping, customs fees and any applicable sale tax. Price subject to change without notice. Please contact me directly to determine your preferred method of shipping, and to obtain an estimate of shipping cost, customs fee and any applicable sales tax. Jim Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. _jim@lessdrag.com_ (mailto:jim@lessdrag.com) HR2 OEM distributor for MT Propeller _www.lessdrag.com_ (http://www.lessdrag.com) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:02 AM PST US From: Ernest Hale Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale I don't have that with me but the insurance agency that I used is Pritchett-Moore in Tuscaloosa, AL, the agents name is Lynn Moore 205-758-4441, tell him that Ernest suggested you call. Ernest On Aug 30, 2004, at 10:07 AM, Wernerworld wrote: > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" > > Ernest, > > What company are you working with and what company wrote the policy? > > Russ Werner > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernest Hale" > To: > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates > > >> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale >> >> >> Wow, with about 1400 total and probably 200 in rocket i lowered my >> hull >> to 100,000 and got insurance about 6 weeks ago for a little over >> 3,000. >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Frazier, Vincent A wrote: >> >>> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" >>> >>> >>> >>> SNIP >>> >>> I'd like to get some current info on insurance for the Rockets, both >>> Harmon and F1. If you are willing to share: >>> >>> - What is your experience level? (Total hours, hours in type or >>> similar >>> type) >>> >>> - What levels of insurance do you carry? >>> >>> - What are the premiums for same? >>> >>> I'm trying to do a comparison of these rates against the RV-7/8 >>> series >>> as a possible decision point on what I build. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> - AlanSNIP >>> >>> Alan, >>> >>> I've got about 400+ hours, mostly in tailwheel RVs. I got a quote >>> Friday for over $7000 to insure my Rocket. :-O >>> >>> I received another quote a few months ago for $3300 and thought that >>> was >>> bad so I kept looking. I suppose I should've jumped on it. Looks >>> like >>> I'll be flying naked! >>> >>> Recommendations welcome! >>> >>> Vince >>> >>> >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates From: Wayne Loeber --> Rocket-List message posted by: Wayne Loeber On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 08:07 AM, Wernerworld wrote: > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" > Hey Russ, I use EAA/Falcon for about $3300 @$150,000 haul, but that > was before the SoCal crash. Wayne > Ernest, > > What company are you working with and what company wrote the policy? > > Russ Werner > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernest Hale" > To: > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates > > >> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale >> >> >> Wow, with about 1400 total and probably 200 in rocket i lowered my >> hull >> to 100,000 and got insurance about 6 weeks ago for a little over >> 3,000. >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Frazier, Vincent A wrote: >> >>> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" >>> >>> >>> >>> SNIP >>> >>> I'd like to get some current info on insurance for the Rockets, both >>> Harmon and F1. If you are willing to share: >>> >>> - What is your experience level? (Total hours, hours in type or >>> similar >>> type) >>> >>> - What levels of insurance do you carry? >>> >>> - What are the premiums for same? >>> >>> I'm trying to do a comparison of these rates against the RV-7/8 >>> series >>> as a possible decision point on what I build. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> - AlanSNIP >>> >>> Alan, >>> >>> I've got about 400+ hours, mostly in tailwheel RVs. I got a quote >>> Friday for over $7000 to insure my Rocket. :-O >>> >>> I received another quote a few months ago for $3300 and thought that >>> was >>> bad so I kept looking. I suppose I should've jumped on it. Looks >>> like >>> I'll be flying naked! >>> >>> Recommendations welcome! >>> >>> Vince >>> >>> >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>> _- >>> ===================================================================== >>> == >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:20 PM PST US From: "Richard Bibb" Subject: Re: Rocket-List: insurance rates --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" One caution on setting your hull value too low. If you have some sort of accident you might find the insurance company wants to total the plane even if you want to fix it. When they total it they take it all, you engine, prop, avionics, etc all of which might be OK and usable in a repaired airframe. I know of a guy that had a cub taht was damaged by hail (on the ground not in the air). He is an A&P and wanted to recover the aircraft and wanted the 15K or so he insured it for to pay for the materials, etc. The insurance company totaled it and now he has 15K but no Cub.