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1. 02:30 PM - carrying weight (Frazier, Vincent A)
2. 02:44 PM - Re: carrying weight (Ron C)
3. 11:02 PM - Re: carrying weight (Fred Weaver)
4. 11:20 PM - Re: carrying weight (LesDrag@aol.com)
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
> Guys,
>
> Adding a 50# sand bag to the back seat sure improves the manners of
> the plane by lightening the pitch forces. No, I'm not saying that
> anything is wrong, just that the optimal stick feel is at a CG a
> little farther aft than when I'm in the thing alone.
>
> I have seen a few Rockets with batteries moved nearly to the tail.
> Geez, I hate to carry extra weight and I don't really want to cut a
> battery access hole in the side of the plane. What to do?
>
> Anybody have any convenient way to carry some extra weight when
> there's nobody's butt in the back seat? I was considering a couple
> gallons jugs of water in the baggage compartment.... then just empty
> the water when I have a passenger. Passengers are still down the
> road a ways, but this is what is pressing on my mind today.
>
> FWIW, I have a smaller than usual battery mounted in the usual spot.
> Mark has pointed out that a normal sized battery might be the best.
> Hmmmm, I'll be danged if he wasn't correct. Nonetheless, I still hate
> to carry excess weight.
>
> BTW, I reported previously about using 3M paint protection film in
> scratch-prone areas, like around the cowl/firewall seam. Since then I
> have added it to the front of the tailwheel, top of the flaps beneath
> the wing skin, under the rear edge of the flopper canopy, and a few
> other places. It works GREAT! I think I'll just cover the entire
> plane with it.
>
> Vince Frazier
> 3965 Caborn Road
> Mount Vernon, IN 47620
> 812-464-1839 work
> 812-985-7309 home
> F-1H Rocket, N540VF
> http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
>
> BTW... Jim and Phil's Rockets aren't flying yet.... so I can still
> tease them a bit.
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Ron C" <ronc@metropolisdesign.com>
I carry a backpack toolbag with about 10-15 lbs of tools and supplies in
it in the back seat to help w/ the balance.
Ron Carter
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-----Original Message-----
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Vincent A
Subject: Rocket-List: carrying weight
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A"
--> <VFrazier@usi.edu>
> Guys,
>
> Adding a 50# sand bag to the back seat sure improves the manners of
> the plane by lightening the pitch forces. No, I'm not saying that
> anything is wrong, just that the optimal stick feel is at a CG a
> little farther aft than when I'm in the thing alone.
>
> I have seen a few Rockets with batteries moved nearly to the tail.
> Geez, I hate to carry extra weight and I don't really want to cut a
> battery access hole in the side of the plane. What to do?
>
> Anybody have any convenient way to carry some extra weight when
> there's nobody's butt in the back seat? I was considering a couple
> gallons jugs of water in the baggage compartment.... then just empty
> the water when I have a passenger. Passengers are still down the
> road a ways, but this is what is pressing on my mind today.
>
> FWIW, I have a smaller than usual battery mounted in the usual spot.
> Mark has pointed out that a normal sized battery might be the best.
> Hmmmm, I'll be danged if he wasn't correct. Nonetheless, I still hate
> to carry excess weight.
>
> BTW, I reported previously about using 3M paint protection film in
> scratch-prone areas, like around the cowl/firewall seam. Since then I
> have added it to the front of the tailwheel, top of the flaps beneath
> the wing skin, under the rear edge of the flopper canopy, and a few
> other places. It works GREAT! I think I'll just cover the entire
> plane with it.
>
> Vince Frazier
> 3965 Caborn Road
> Mount Vernon, IN 47620
> 812-464-1839 work
> 812-985-7309 home
> F-1H Rocket, N540VF
> http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
>
> BTW... Jim and Phil's Rockets aren't flying yet.... so I can still
> tease them a bit.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: carrying weight |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Vince.... As I recall, your Tailwheel weight was somewhere near 46 pounds?
That is twice as much as you need.. When is it that you feel the stick
forces are out of line? Are you trying to 3 point the landings? Remember,
when you add a passenger, you have over 220 pounds with your tailwheel
weight to add to the back seat and baggage area while still remaining within
limits. That value varies with your actual tailwheel weight.....I couldn't
remember. Anyway, others haul plenty of golf clubs and other goodies/oil
and tools when they fly alone.
So.......Get over it.. Fly the airplane.... It feels the way it
does....and that isn't bad at all. Right? Hahahhahahhaa....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Subject: Rocket-List: carrying weight
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Adding a 50# sand bag to the back seat sure improves the manners of
> > the plane by lightening the pitch forces. No, I'm not saying that
> > anything is wrong, just that the optimal stick feel is at a CG a
> > little farther aft than when I'm in the thing alone.
> >
> > I have seen a few Rockets with batteries moved nearly to the tail.
> > Geez, I hate to carry extra weight and I don't really want to cut a
> > battery access hole in the side of the plane. What to do?
> >
> > Anybody have any convenient way to carry some extra weight when
> > there's nobody's butt in the back seat? I was considering a couple
> > gallons jugs of water in the baggage compartment.... then just empty
> > the water when I have a passenger. Passengers are still down the
> > road a ways, but this is what is pressing on my mind today.
> >
> > FWIW, I have a smaller than usual battery mounted in the usual spot.
> > Mark has pointed out that a normal sized battery might be the best.
> > Hmmmm, I'll be danged if he wasn't correct. Nonetheless, I still hate
> > to carry excess weight.
> >
> > BTW, I reported previously about using 3M paint protection film in
> > scratch-prone areas, like around the cowl/firewall seam. Since then I
> > have added it to the front of the tailwheel, top of the flaps beneath
> > the wing skin, under the rear edge of the flopper canopy, and a few
> > other places. It works GREAT! I think I'll just cover the entire
> > plane with it.
> >
> > Vince Frazier
> > 3965 Caborn Road
> > Mount Vernon, IN 47620
> > 812-464-1839 work
> > 812-985-7309 home
> > F-1H Rocket, N540VF
> > http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
> >
> > BTW... Jim and Phil's Rockets aren't flying yet.... so I can still
> > tease them a bit.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: carrying weight |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
Hi Vince,
You could take 12 pounds off of the nose of the Rocket.
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc. - An MT Propeller Distributor. :-)
In a message dated 10/18/2004 2:31:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
VFrazier@usi.edu writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
> Guys,
>
> Adding a 50# sand bag to the back seat sure improves the manners of
> the plane by lightening the pitch forces. No, I'm not saying that
> anything is wrong, just that the optimal stick feel is at a CG a
> little farther aft than when I'm in the thing alone.
>
> I have seen a few Rockets with batteries moved nearly to the tail.
> Geez, I hate to carry extra weight and I don't really want to cut a
> battery access hole in the side of the plane. What to do?
>
> Anybody have any convenient way to carry some extra weight when
> there's nobody's butt in the back seat? I was considering a couple
> gallons jugs of water in the baggage compartment.... then just empty
> the water when I have a passenger. Passengers are still down the
> road a ways, but this is what is pressing on my mind today.
>
> FWIW, I have a smaller than usual battery mounted in the usual spot.
> Mark has pointed out that a normal sized battery might be the best.
> Hmmmm, I'll be danged if he wasn't correct. Nonetheless, I still hate
> to carry excess weight.
>
> BTW, I reported previously about using 3M paint protection film in
> scratch-prone areas, like around the cowl/firewall seam. Since then I
> have added it to the front of the tailwheel, top of the flaps beneath
> the wing skin, under the rear edge of the flopper canopy, and a few
> other places. It works GREAT! I think I'll just cover the entire
> plane with it.
>
> Vince Frazier
> 3965 Caborn Road
> Mount Vernon, IN 47620
> 812-464-1839 work
> 812-985-7309 home
> F-1H Rocket, N540VF
> http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
>
> BTW... Jim and Phil's Rockets aren't flying yet.... so I can still
> tease them a bit.
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