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1. 07:31 AM - Re: Some basic F1 kit questions... (Fred Weaver)
2. 08:08 AM - F1 Tail on HRII?? (Granwel Esteban)
3. 10:15 AM - Re: F1 Tail on HRII?? (Ryan, Michael)
4. 06:44 PM - Re: F1 Tail on HRII?? (blairclan)
5. 09:41 PM - Re: Some basic F1 kit questions... (f1rocket@telus.net)
6. 11:26 PM - F1 kit (rgraham@ozemail.com.au)
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| Subject: | Re: Some basic F1 kit questions... |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
The F1 QB kit has very good sheetmetal work. The workmanship is very nice
and all rivets are practically flawless. I can't imagine what you actually
saw....... I just read the comments from Greg Nelson and I believe he hit
the nail on the head. All the Rockets fly great and it would be very hard to
beat an F1 QB if you wanted to start building...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: <A1AVIATON@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Some basic F1 kit questions...
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: A1AVIATON@aol.com
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> THE ONES I HAVE SEEN POOR SHEET METAL WORK ON QUICK BUILD, CALL JOHN H AND
GO
> FLY HRII, YOU WILL LIKE IT, MIKE HR-N212HR
>
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| Subject: | F1 Tail on HRII?? |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Granwel Esteban <burningbluephoto@gmail.com>
Hello all - I was wondering if I can use F1 Emp on a HRII/RV4 kit. The
bottom line is that I can't quite afford the F1QB right now. Has anyone
heard of the partial kit Mark is coming out with??? Any ideas on costs?
Many Thanks.
Joe
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| Subject: | F1 Tail on HRII?? |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Ryan, Michael" <Michael.Ryan@jetblue.com>
Hi Joe,
I just put money down on an F1 empennage to use in the building of an F1 or Harmon
Rocket. All I know for sure is I want to build a rocket. Since the F1 emp
can be used on either plane, I felt this would be the best way to gain exposure
to the building process and decide whether a quick build or slow build would
be best for my future. Both Mark and John have been very helpful with my questions,
and I look forward to working with them. If I go the Harmon Rocket
route, I will use my F1 tail along with an F1 slider canopy.
As for "Mark's partial kit", I believe he is considering a kit that would allow
more work to be done by the builder on the fuselage. This would help reduce
the cost, but not drastically since most of the complicated EVO wing would still
need to be done by the factory. Mark, please jump in and clarify if I have
this incorrect!
Keep in mind this information if provided by a newbie. But I'll take newbie over
lurker any day! I can't wait to get started!
Mike Ryan
Oviedo, FL
future <mailto:futurewner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com> wner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Granwel Esteban
Subject: Rocket-List: F1 Tail on HRII??
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Granwel Esteban <burningbluephoto@gmail.com>
Hello all - I was wondering if I can use F1 Emp on a HRII/RV4 kit. The
bottom line is that I can't quite afford the F1QB right now. Has anyone
heard of the partial kit Mark is coming out with??? Any ideas on costs?
Many Thanks.
Joe
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| Subject: | F1 Tail on HRII?? |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: blairclan <blairclan@bigpond.com>
As far as I know there are atleast 2 HRs with F1 tails, mine is one of them. No
problems with the installation - it works great!
Cheers
Tony
---- "Ryan wrote:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Ryan, Michael" <Michael.Ryan@jetblue.com>
>
> Hi Joe,
> I just put money down on an F1 empennage to use in the building of an F1 or Harmon
Rocket. All I know for sure is I want to build a rocket. Since the F1
emp can be used on either plane, I felt this would be the best way to gain exposure
to the building process and decide whether a quick build or slow build would
be best for my future. Both Mark and John have been very helpful with my
questions, and I look forward to working with them. If I go the Harmon Rocket
route, I will use my F1 tail along with an F1 slider canopy.
>
> As for "Mark's partial kit", I believe he is considering a kit that would allow
more work to be done by the builder on the fuselage. This would help reduce
the cost, but not drastically since most of the complicated EVO wing would still
need to be done by the factory. Mark, please jump in and clarify if I have
this incorrect!
>
> Keep in mind this information if provided by a newbie. But I'll take newbie over
lurker any day! I can't wait to get started!
>
> Mike Ryan
> Oviedo, FL
>
> future <mailto:futurewner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com> wner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Granwel Esteban
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: F1 Tail on HRII??
>
>
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Granwel Esteban <burningbluephoto@gmail.com>
>
> Hello all - I was wondering if I can use F1 Emp on a HRII/RV4 kit. The
> bottom line is that I can't quite afford the F1QB right now. Has anyone
> heard of the partial kit Mark is coming out with??? Any ideas on costs?
> Many Thanks.
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Some basic F1 kit questions... |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: f1rocket@telus.net
I can't believe anyone saw an F1 with poor riveting (from the factory). I've
had mine inspected by a couple of guys who do airframe work for a living, and
they tell me they can't believe how good the air frame quality is. Most the
time I wish my rivets compared to what came from the factory.
I'm a first time metal builder, and really for the most part the manual was
good. Most the time when I got in trouble was when I was over reading it.
Like Mark keeps telling me, just get on with it. That first hole is always the
hardest to drill.
As far as building, I think the metal work was the easiest. I'm struggling
with the canopy right now, but will get it... The electric work was a struggle
as well, and you really can't use the manual for this, but there is other
manuals out there for that, and Mark has no idea what you are going to install
anyway, so you can't expect him to create a manual to cover this, there is just
too many options out there. All the rest though, has lots of photos etc. I
know one thing for sure; my next one will build at least twice as quick, but I
think everyone says that after they build a plane.
When I first started thinking about building an RV, a friend of mine said, why
not build a F1 Rocket? They can fly as slow as an RV on the same (or close, or
less depending on who you talk to) fuel, but you still have all that throttle
left. Then I went for a ride in one. Wow, no comparison. I've been lucky,
each time I struggle with a part on my rocket, my new found rocket friends show
up, give me advice and usually give me a ride. Then I'm motivated for the next
while. Everyone I've met with a rocket seems more than willing to share, and
always helpful (sometimes I don't wish to bother Mark).
Kind regards,
Jeff Deuchar
Quoting Fred Weaver <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> The F1 QB kit has very good sheetmetal work. The workmanship is very nice
> and all rivets are practically flawless. I can't imagine what you actually
> saw....... I just read the comments from Greg Nelson and I believe he hit
> the nail on the head. All the Rockets fly great and it would be very hard to
> beat an F1 QB if you wanted to start building...
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <A1AVIATON@aol.com>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Some basic F1 kit questions...
>
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> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: A1AVIATON@aol.com
> >
> > THE ONES I HAVE SEEN POOR SHEET METAL WORK ON QUICK BUILD, CALL JOHN H AND
> GO
> > FLY HRII, YOU WILL LIKE IT, MIKE HR-N212HR
> >
> >
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: rgraham@ozemail.com.au
Ken,
I can only speak as a builder as I'm not flying yet - pictures of my
project can be viewed at
< www.members.optusnet.com.au/ragraham >.
I am building the QB, and I've found the parts are a better fit and quality
than the certified aircraft I fix for a living.
Mark's support has always been timely and pertinent - this is a guy who has
built a number of HRII's and F1's, so he always knows exactly what you're
talking about, he's been there and done it!
The kit is very complete, and I had no items on backorder, everything
arrived in one shipment clearly labelled and grouped by project. (This is
by container across the Pacific to Australia).
I suggest you go to Mark's web site and check it out <
www.teamrocketaircraft.com >.
There are links a number of builders sites, some flying, some still
building, and several of those are virtually a builders log, complete with
flight test reports.
If I can build one this far away, I'm sure you can.
Best,
Ron Graham (F1 #105, Oz)
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>Time: 02:57:46 PM PST US
>From: Ken Balch < kbalch@cfl.rr.com <mailto:kbalch@cfl.rr.com> >
>Subject: Rocket-List: Some basic F1 kit questions...
>
>--> Rocket-List message posted by: Ken Balch < kbalch@cfl.rr.com
><mailto:kbalch@cfl.rr.com> >
>
>Hello All,
>
>I well remember how valuable the RV-list was during the construction of
>my RV-8 a few years back and I'm hoping to find the same sort of
>fellowship and technical resource in the Rocket community. I'm strongly
>considering the F1 as my next project and I have a number of general
>questions. Rather than bothering Mark F. at this point (since my kit
>purchase is still at least six months away), I thought I'd address them
>to the collective wisdom of the list. In no particular order:
>
>- How do the F1 plans & instruction manual compare to current RV materials?
>- How do the F1 kit parts compare to current RV materials? Are all
>steel parts powdercoated? Are skins prepunched? How would current
>builders assess the quality of the qb kits? Any consistent areas of
>concern?
>- How would current F1 builders characterize factory support,
>availability & willingness to provide assistance if/when necessary?
>- Have any F1 wings (standard or EVO) been subjected to actual testing
>(with sand/shot bags) to ultimate loads, or do the published limits
>represent calculated values only?
>- How many planes are currently flying with the EVO wing? What real
>performance benefits can be expected with the EVO wing?
>- Can anyone provide w&b data sufficient for me to model the aircraft
>and perform some 'what if' calculations for my own anticipated loadings?
>- How sensitive is the plane to variations in c.g., particularly with
>the EVO wing?
>- How nose heavy does the airplane feel in flight? Is most of the
>nose-down trim needed for level flight? Is the elevator authority
>sufficient for a good flare to the three-point attitude, or are most
>people wheeling it on?
>- Is the plane's handling solid & predictable at pattern speeds, ala the
>RV series?
>- Are the trim servos a good match for the F1's performance range? Not
>too fast at high speed or too slow at pattern speeds?
>- Does the control feel stiffen substantially at higher speeds, or is it
>fairly consistent throughout the entire speed envelope?
>- Is the plane good to +6/-3g at 2000 pounds, or is there a lower
>aerobatic gross weight?
>- Which model(s) of the -540 are builders typically using?
>- How does the F1's control feel & responsiveness (especially roll rate)
>compare to the RV-8's?
>- Can anyone provide a full list of applicable V speeds for the F1?
>- Can anyone provide some actual performance figures for, say, a 300hp F1?
>
>That's all I've got off the top of my head at the moment, though more is
>sure to follow. Once I get a little closer to making the commitment to
>the project, I'll have to start looking for an F1 demo flight. For now,
>I'll keep scouring the net for every builder's website I can find.
>
>Regards,
>Ken Balch
>RV-8 N118KB (sold)
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