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1. 06:03 AM - Re: Rocket-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/27/05 (Mark Frederick)
2. 07:47 AM - Engines! (chris fordham)
3. 08:23 AM - aluminum empennage fairing (Frazier, Vincent A)
4. 09:46 AM - Re: Engines! (nico css)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: Engines! (Bill Kehn)
6. 11:14 AM - Re: Engines! (Fred Weaver)
7. 04:13 PM - (no subject) (Hr2pilot@aol.com)
8. 10:47 PM - Re: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/27/05 (A1AVIATON@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/27/05 |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Mark Frederick <f1boss@gmail.com>
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> ________________________________ Message 1
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> Time: 03:10:58 AM PST US
> From: Mark Allen <skyboltn@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Rocket-List:
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> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Mark Allen <skyboltn@earthlink.net>
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> Can anyone give a semi-short answer as to which 540's will work on the
> F-1 besides the C4B5?
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>
> Hi Fellas:
The HR series is sensitive to nose weight -- I can't advise anything other
than what the ship was designed for: straight valve 540 series
The F1 std wing ships are similiar, but can be fitted with the 3 blade
Hartzell..I can't recommend anything other than the straight valve 540s on
this ship either (nose weight again)
As for the G series, it may be that one of these could be fitted to the F1
Evo, as the wing was moved fwd on this version. Still, the G weighs ~48 lbs
more than the straight valve...and the nose is not my choice of places to
add weight...
The straight valve engines can be reliable at 320HP or slightly more -- but
don't plan on running Mogas at any point! I suggest talking to your engine
guy, and see what his advice is regarding a pumped-up straight valve 540.
Those motors are actually pretty tough, if temps are kept in line.
As for where to start or which straight valve models can be fitted, I recall
any but the C182 540s can be easily modified to fit (mount ears, crank
counterweights, FI system etc). I know of one fellow who started with the
235HP O540-A (fixed pitch!) and made it work! Ihave used an E series; a D
series, and of course a few Cs...bottom line is that you want to end up with
an engine that conforms with the C4D5 design. Many ways to get there...
Carry on!
Mark
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "chris fordham" <fconsult@telus.net>
Hi Mark
When I was looking for an engine John said that just about any parallel
valve would fit the HRll. The angle valves where on the heavy side. I found
a A1D5 that I am rebuilding. The F1 might be different because of the different
gearleg configuration and could possibly tolerate more weight up front, but
thats a question for Mark and Co.
Do not archive
Chris
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| Subject: | aluminum empennage fairing |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
********SNIP --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Larry Schneider"
<lschneider39@cox.net>
These guys were true metal men. They have made some RV metal fairings.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/tvrvbg/barn.htmI SNIP
SNIP I have several paper photos at home somewhere. I'll scan them and
post
them tomorrow.... assuming that I can find them! Vince SNIP*********
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I looked at the metal fairings made in "Thuh Barn" WOW, nice.
But here's a photo of a few all aluminum fairings made by average
Joes... including me.
http://vincesrocket.com/aluminum%20tail%20fairing.jpg
The photo is large, so if it appears rather small in your browser, click
and enlarge it to see the details. My apologies for the fact that it is
a digital photo of several paper photos. It loses a little detail but
should give you enough detail to make your own.
Vince
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Has anyone considered the Orenda engine? It was installed on the Aero
Commander and appeared to work fine giving about 600 hp, is much quieter and
lighter, if I am not mistaken.
I have some literature and a movie on it
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Aero%20Commander%20Orenda%20Engine/
Just curious.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris fordham" <fconsult@telus.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: Engines!
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "chris fordham" <fconsult@telus.net>
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> Hi Mark
> When I was looking for an engine John said that just about any
parallel valve would fit the HRll. The angle valves where on the heavy side.
I found a A1D5 that I am rebuilding. The F1 might be different because of
the different gearleg configuration and could possibly tolerate more weight
up front, but thats a question for Mark and Co.
> Do not archive
> Chris
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bill Kehn" <wk@movinfreight.com>
Orenda gave up on this engine a few years back
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Engines!
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Has anyone considered the Orenda engine? It was installed on the Aero
> Commander and appeared to work fine giving about 600 hp, is much quieter
and
> lighter, if I am not mistaken.
>
> I have some literature and a movie on it
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Aero%20Commander%20Orenda%20Engine/
>
> Just curious.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris fordham" <fconsult@telus.net>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Rocket-List: Engines!
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "chris fordham" <fconsult@telus.net>
> >
> > Hi Mark
> > When I was looking for an engine John said that just about any
> parallel valve would fit the HRll. The angle valves where on the heavy
side.
> I found a A1D5 that I am rebuilding. The F1 might be different because of
> the different gearleg configuration and could possibly tolerate more
weight
> up front, but thats a question for Mark and Co.
> > Do not archive
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Thanks Bill....you saved us all a lot of typing...
There were failures and poor safety issues related to the Orenda program.
Nico, if the Orenda would have been a valid power plant, we would be seeing
it in a lot of different applications by now. The beauty of the 540 series
and the Rocket combination is the reliability of the pair. That would not be
the case with respect to the Orenda. I'm also reminded of the guy that
developed the Legend aircraft. He had a big block in there to begin with but
changed it out for a turbine because of all the problems/hassles he had with
the engine/PRSU combo and systems to make it all work. The turbine simply
solved every single problem. Now the plane can fly all the time instead of
earning "Shop Time"....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Kehn" <wk@movinfreight.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Engines!
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Bill Kehn" <wk@movinfreight.com>
>
> Orenda gave up on this engine a few years back
>
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Engines!
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Has anyone considered the Orenda engine? It was installed on the Aero
> > Commander and appeared to work fine giving about 600 hp, is much quieter
> and
> > lighter, if I am not mistaken.
> >
> > I have some literature and a movie on it
> >
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Aero%20Commander%20Orenda%20Engine/
> >
> > Just curious.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chris fordham" <fconsult@telus.net>
> > To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Rocket-List: Engines!
> >
> >
> > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "chris fordham"
<fconsult@telus.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Mark
> > > When I was looking for an engine John said that just about
any
> > parallel valve would fit the HRll. The angle valves where on the heavy
> side.
> > I found a A1D5 that I am rebuilding. The F1 might be different because
of
> > the different gearleg configuration and could possibly tolerate more
> weight
> > up front, but thats a question for Mark and Co.
> > > Do not archive
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: Hr2pilot@aol.com
Anyone in or near NC?
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/27/05 |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: A1AVIATON@aol.com
PUT STRIGHT VALVE CYL'S ON A G1A5, WT . ABOUT THE SAME AS A C4B5, YOU HAVE A
STRONGER CASE, I HAVE WEIGHT BOTH CASES, ONLY ABOUT 2 LB'S MORE ON THE G1A5. I
WOULD NOT USE 182, 540 . LOOK AT THE CRANK, IT HAS WEAK FLANGE. NOT ON MY
ROCKET,, MIKE
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