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1. 06:44 AM - Re: Copperstate (Ernest Hale)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: Innodyn (Fred Weaver)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Copperstate (Wernerworld)
4. 08:14 AM - Re: Innodyn (arvil@bellsouth.net)
5. 10:24 AM - Innodyn (Morocketman@AOL.COM)
6. 11:11 AM - Re: Innodyn (nico css)
7. 11:25 AM - Re: Innodyn (Jim Stone)
8. 03:37 PM - Looking for prop (Kevin Shannon)
9. 05:21 PM - Re: Looking for prop (LesDrag@aol.com)
10. 06:05 PM - Tanks (John Furey)
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
Has anyone looked into the Innodyn turbine engine, the report I read
said that it has been on an RV-4 since 2002. Sure would like to
eventually tie about 500 hp to the front of my rocket.
On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Wernerworld wrote:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld"
> <russ@wernerworld.com>
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> I've been debating Copperstate, the Red Bull Air Races in SFO or Both.
>
> Russ
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Don't waste your time or your money..... Think I0-540 and be real happy.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Hale" <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Copperstate
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
>
> Has anyone looked into the Innodyn turbine engine, the report I read
> said that it has been on an RV-4 since 2002. Sure would like to
> eventually tie about 500 hp to the front of my rocket.
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Wernerworld wrote:
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld"
> > <russ@wernerworld.com>
> >
> > I've been debating Copperstate, the Red Bull Air Races in SFO or Both.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" <russ@wernerworld.com>
500 would almost be enough. Do I hear 550?
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Hale" <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Copperstate
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
>
> Has anyone looked into the Innodyn turbine engine, the report I read
> said that it has been on an RV-4 since 2002. Sure would like to
> eventually tie about 500 hp to the front of my rocket.
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Wernerworld wrote:
>
>> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld"
>> <russ@wernerworld.com>
>>
>> I've been debating Copperstate, the Red Bull Air Races in SFO or Both.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: arvil@bellsouth.net
Fred,
Turbines, are the wave of the future, as they start to come down in price you
will see more and more of them, Turbines have proven to be very reliable and
have a good services life
Arvil
Fred Weaver wrote:
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Don't waste your time or your money..... Think I0-540 and be real happy.
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernest Hale" <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Copperstate
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
> >
> > Has anyone looked into the Innodyn turbine engine, the report I read
> > said that it has been on an RV-4 since 2002. Sure would like to
> > eventually tie about 500 hp to the front of my rocket.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Wernerworld wrote:
> >
> > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld"
> > > <russ@wernerworld.com>
> > >
> > > I've been debating Copperstate, the Red Bull Air Races in SFO or Both.
> > >
> > > Russ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: Morocketman@aol.com
I would like to comment that maybe turbine engines are the "wave of the
future", but turboprops have been long superseded by HIGH BYPASS turbojets.
There is no way to make a high bypass turboprop! And a late design high bypass
turbojet only mixes fuel with about 20% of the air that passes though it, and
in reality it is a "ducted fan' engine. These are not as efficient as a
piston engine with a prop, but far exceed a turboprop. I noticed in the Innodyn
articles that I saw published, that no fuel consumption figures were
included. (or only that it would burn about 10gph at very low horse power.) Fuel
equals power, and with Jet A costing more than 100LL I believe that 500 hp would
cost 40gph or more. A friend of mine has a Walter Turboprop (725 HP) on his
Sukhoi 26 purely for vertical acceleration in his air show. He talks about
fuel consumption in cruise flight of 46 to 48gph. Having said all of this, I
just love my Lycoming IO-540 C4B5. I had the injection nozzles "tuned" by
Don Rivera of Air Research Inc. in Spartanburg, and my cruise fuel consumption
is 9.2 gph 53% power, smooth as a turbine, and the Rocket goes 186KTs.
When I want to pay the bill, it goes the "N" number at 13.6 gph, 75% power. I
believe I can climb to 7,500" on less fuel (2.5 gallons) than a turboprop uses
on a long taxi out. Sorry, but the greatest minds in the world tried every
source of power plants (i.e. steam, electricity, chicken manure, etc.) in the
19th Century, and all came to the conclusion that internal combustion
engines "do the deed." Thanks for reading my diatribe! Be Happy! Go LYCO!
Les Featherston N206KT "Airgasm" has 233
hours and cannot be beaten in the fun-per-hour-at-low-cost contest.
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
No kidding! I thought (perhaps there lies the rub) a turboprop is nothing
but an extended high bypass turbojet. The air doesn't pass through a duct
but the principle remains the same. With variable pitch and other fancy
stuff that a prop can do they still determined that a high bypass turbojet
is more efficient than a turboprop? (It will be at high speed, I guess, but
otherwise?) I ask because I don't know.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <Morocketman@AOL.COM>
Subject: Rocket-List: Innodyn
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Morocketman@aol.com
>
> I would like to comment that maybe turbine engines are the "wave of the
> future", but turboprops have been long superseded by HIGH BYPASS
turbojets.
> There is no way to make a high bypass turboprop! And a late design high
bypass
> turbojet only mixes fuel with about 20% of the air that passes though it,
and
> in reality it is a "ducted fan' engine. These are not as efficient as a
> piston engine with a prop, but far exceed a turboprop. I noticed in the
Innodyn
> articles that I saw published, that no fuel consumption figures were
> included. (or only that it would burn about 10gph at very low horse
power.) Fuel
> equals power, and with Jet A costing more than 100LL I believe that 500
hp would
> cost 40gph or more. A friend of mine has a Walter Turboprop (725 HP) on
his
> Sukhoi 26 purely for vertical acceleration in his air show. He talks
about
> fuel consumption in cruise flight of 46 to 48gph. Having said all of
this, I
> just love my Lycoming IO-540 C4B5. I had the injection nozzles "tuned"
by
> Don Rivera of Air Research Inc. in Spartanburg, and my cruise fuel
consumption
> is 9.2 gph 53% power, smooth as a turbine, and the Rocket goes 186KTs.
> When I want to pay the bill, it goes the "N" number at 13.6 gph, 75%
power. I
> believe I can climb to 7,500" on less fuel (2.5 gallons) than a turboprop
uses
> on a long taxi out. Sorry, but the greatest minds in the world tried
every
> source of power plants (i.e. steam, electricity, chicken manure, etc.) in
the
> 19th Century, and all came to the conclusion that internal combustion
> engines "do the deed." Thanks for reading my diatribe! Be Happy! Go
LYCO!
> Les Featherston N206KT "Airgasm" has
233
> hours and cannot be beaten in the fun-per-hour-at-low-cost contest.
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Hey Les, Is that Don Rivera of Airflow performance or Air Research?
Jim Stone
HRII
----- Original Message -----
From: <Morocketman@AOL.COM>
Subject: Rocket-List: Innodyn
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: Morocketman@aol.com
>
> I would like to comment that maybe turbine engines are the "wave of the
> future", but turboprops have been long superseded by HIGH BYPASS
> turbojets.
> There is no way to make a high bypass turboprop! And a late design high
> bypass
> turbojet only mixes fuel with about 20% of the air that passes though it,
> and
> in reality it is a "ducted fan' engine. These are not as efficient as a
> piston engine with a prop, but far exceed a turboprop. I noticed in the
> Innodyn
> articles that I saw published, that no fuel consumption figures were
> included. (or only that it would burn about 10gph at very low horse
> power.) Fuel
> equals power, and with Jet A costing more than 100LL I believe that 500
> hp would
> cost 40gph or more. A friend of mine has a Walter Turboprop (725 HP) on
> his
> Sukhoi 26 purely for vertical acceleration in his air show. He talks
> about
> fuel consumption in cruise flight of 46 to 48gph. Having said all of
> this, I
> just love my Lycoming IO-540 C4B5. I had the injection nozzles "tuned"
> by
> Don Rivera of Air Research Inc. in Spartanburg, and my cruise fuel
> consumption
> is 9.2 gph 53% power, smooth as a turbine, and the Rocket goes 186KTs.
> When I want to pay the bill, it goes the "N" number at 13.6 gph, 75%
> power. I
> believe I can climb to 7,500" on less fuel (2.5 gallons) than a turboprop
> uses
> on a long taxi out. Sorry, but the greatest minds in the world tried
> every
> source of power plants (i.e. steam, electricity, chicken manure, etc.) in
> the
> 19th Century, and all came to the conclusion that internal combustion
> engines "do the deed." Thanks for reading my diatribe! Be Happy! Go
> LYCO!
> Les Featherston N206KT "Airgasm" has
> 233
> hours and cannot be beaten in the fun-per-hour-at-low-cost contest.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Looking for prop |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
Hello Rocket group
I am in need of a prop for my HRII project, anybody switch to a three
blade and have a 2 blade Hartzell laying around they don't need?
Kevin Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas
utterback
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: ROCKET 2005 10:52:43 -0700 (PDT)
--> Rocket-List message posted by: hr69gt@webtv.net (thomas utterback)
Whoops, I missed your request for location. I'm in Indianapolis west
side @ 2R2. Tom
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Subject: | Re: Looking for prop |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
Hi Kevin,
There is a Hartzell 2 blade on my website _www.lessdrag.com_
(http://www.lessdrag.com) on the Propeller "New & Used" page. It's off of a Pitts S-2-B, so
the spinner may be different.
There is also a 3 blade Hartzell and a 3 blade counterweighted blade MT
propeller on that page, also.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/05/2005 3:38:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kshannon@seanet.com writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
Hello Rocket group
I am in need of a prop for my HRII project, anybody switch to a three
blade and have a 2 blade Hartzell laying around they don't need?
Kevin Shannon
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Mark said that some of you used the wing tips for additional fuel. I would
be interested in knowing the process and your opinion. Also anyone build a
smoke oil tank into the wing?
Thanks
John
2nd RV6A
F1 in the oven
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