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1. 05:19 AM - Re: Tanks (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
2. 07:05 AM - Re: Innodyn (Milt)
3. 08:38 AM - Re: Innodyn (Richard Riley)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Looking for prop (Ron Carter)
5. 10:06 AM - Re: Looking for prop (Kevin Shannon)
6. 02:12 PM - Re: Looking for prop (A1AVIATON@aol.com)
7. 04:43 PM - The origin of the word "Eish!!!" (nico css)
8. 04:58 PM - Fw: The origin of the word "Eish!!!" (nico css)
9. 06:15 PM - Re: Innodyn (James Freeman)
10. 06:39 PM - Re: Innodyn (Robert Sather)
11. 06:50 PM - Re: Innodyn (Richard Riley)
12. 07:37 PM - Re: Fw: The origin of the word "Eish!!!" (Richard Riley)
13. 11:31 PM - Re: Looking for prop (blairclan)
14. 11:52 PM - Re: Innodyn (Fred Weaver)
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
John I built a smoke oil tank into the wing of my 8. Not a Rocket but
the concept is the same.
Take the wing walk area which already has some nice reinforcement and
close it up. I took the wing walk +1 bay outboard.
The hardest part was building the rectangular baffles between ribs for
the fwd section to block off the aileron push tube area.
I capped off the lightening holes. Used prosel on the rear spar. It was
pretty easy to build as you already have the structure there.
It really was not hard at all. I also made an access panel on both the
inboard rib and on the outboard baffle plate so I could get in there.
(which I just used last weekend as I had to pull the wing off to seal up
a tank leak.
I cant think of another rv with this mod. I might be the first.
It would work just fine on the rocket. The only reason I picked the left
wing on the 8 was that the right wing already had the NACA scoop built
in which interfered with my tank needs so I put it in the left wing. All
things being equal, Id pick the wing that is normally the light wing in
flight.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Furey
Subject: Rocket-List: Tanks
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Mark said that some of you used the wing tips for additional fuel. I
would
be interested in knowing the process and your opinion. Also anyone build
a
smoke oil tank into the wing?
Thanks
John
2nd RV6A
F1 in the oven
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RPD=4.00.0003;
RPDID=303030312E30413039303230362E34333435324244332E303038352D412D;
ENG=IBF; TS=20051006140444; CAT=NONE; CON=NONE;
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Milt" <rocket@swmrmc.org>
Fred,
Like you when I first saw the Innodyn I got so excited at the thought of a
turbine Rocket I almost wet my pants.
Spent a lot of time looking in to it, talking to Innodyn, talking to the
"firewall forward engineers", sent of for the manual, talked to Mark
Frederick, scoured the internet, etc, etc.
The following are some uneducated observations and repeats of 2nd and 3rd
hand comments from sources whose expertise I do not know.
Innodyn is a rebirth of another company that was developing the same engine
and went financially TU taking a lot of investor(deposit) money with them.
They have been in development and "almost ready" for production for a LOT
of years.
They have an RV 4 and I believe a cub flying with the turbine. The RV 4 has
been flying a lot of years yet they will not post actual climb, speed TO or
fuel consumption data.
They also did not bring either aircraft to S&F or Oshkosh.
There is no way of sensing torque.
As best I can tell you have to run the prop at 2700RPM.
I have been told (source reliability uncertain) that they are having trouble
getting fuel burn down to acceptable levels while not burning the engine up
and still generating enough torque to fly the plane.
I do not think they will be ready for prime time for another 5-10 years. I
think DeltaHawk will have a light enough 300+HP diesel before the Innodyn is
ready.
And as someone mentioned those of us with 540s will be at 10'000' already
doing 200KTS having burned the same in gallons a turbine will burn before it
leaves the runway.
Just my 2cents worth
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Innodyn
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Don't waste your time or your money..... Think I0-540 and be real
happy.
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernest Hale" <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
> To: <rocket-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Copperstate
>
>
> > --> Rocket-List message posted by: Ernest Hale
<ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
> >
> > Has anyone looked into the Innodyn turbine engine, the report I read
> > said that it has been on an RV-4 since 2002. Sure would like to
> > eventually tie about 500 hp to the front of my rocket.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Wernerworld wrote:
> >
> > > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld"
> > > <russ@wernerworld.com>
> > >
> > > I've been debating Copperstate, the Red Bull Air Races in SFO or Both.
> > >
> > > Russ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
At 06:07 AM 10/6/05, Milt wrote:
>Innodyn is a rebirth of another company that was developing the same engine
>and went financially TU taking a lot of investor(deposit) money with them.
Run by the same people as before. About a year ago they promised
refunds to several Velocity owners, and AFAIK never came through.
>They have been in development and "almost ready" for production for a LOT
>of years.
>
>They have an RV 4 and I believe a cub flying with the turbine. The RV 4 has
>been flying a lot of years yet they will not post actual climb, speed TO or
>fuel consumption data.
And the total number of hours flown on the RV is very, very low.
>I have been told (source reliability uncertain) that they are having trouble
>getting fuel burn down to acceptable levels while not burning the engine up
>and still generating enough torque to fly the plane.
They have made wild fuel burn claims in the past. One sign I saw at
Osh listed fuel burn and hp, it worked out to an SFC of .35. An
Allison 250, by comparison, is running about .7 and a Lycoming around
.45. The Solar APU they've based their design on does about 1.0 at
idle, 1.3 at 90HP and close to 1.8 at
150HP. On their website they say they did a test on their pulsed
fuel controller and got a "modest" increase in fuel specifics.
>I do not think they will be ready for prime time for another 5-10 years. I
>think DeltaHawk will have a light enough 300+HP diesel before the Innodyn is
>ready.
>
>And as someone mentioned those of us with 540s will be at 10'000' already
>doing 200KTS having burned the same in gallons a turbine will burn before it
>leaves the runway.
Agreed
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for prop |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Ron Carter" <ronc@metropolisdesign.com>
There are two props for sale right now on aerotrader.com. Or at least I saw
them yesterday when the tabloid sized magazine arrived at my house. They are
in MN. You want the F series blades.
Ron Carter.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Looking for prop
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
>
> Hello Rocket group
> I am in need of a prop for my HRII project, anybody switch to a three
> blade and have a 2 blade Hartzell laying around they don't need?
>
> Kevin Shannon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas
> utterback
> To: rocket-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: ROCKET 2005 10:52:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: hr69gt@webtv.net (thomas utterback)
>
> Whoops, I missed your request for location. I'm in Indianapolis west
> side @ 2R2. Tom
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking for prop |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
Thanks for the info Jim, the 2-blade on your website is a C hub, which I
thought was too short for a Rocket, are some Rocket guys using a
standard length hub with an extension?
Kevin Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LesDrag@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Looking for prop
--> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
Hi Kevin,
There is a Hartzell 2 blade on my website _www.lessdrag.com_
(http://www.lessdrag.com) on the Propeller "New & Used" page. It's
off of a Pitts S-2-B, so
the spinner may be different.
There is also a 3 blade Hartzell and a 3 blade counterweighted blade MT
propeller on that page, also.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/05/2005 3:38:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kshannon@seanet.com writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon"
<kshannon@seanet.com>
Hello Rocket group
I am in need of a prop for my HRII project, anybody switch to a three
blade and have a 2 blade Hartzell laying around they don't need?
Kevin Shannon
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for prop |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: A1AVIATON@aol.com
I HAD A PROP BUILT UP FROM NEW AND USED PARTS,HEI PROPELLERS FT LAUDERDALE
FL. IT IS A HC-M2YR-1BF/F8475D-4 IT HAS ASEVICABLE TAG, I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH
THERE SERVICE, MIKE
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| Subject: | The origin of the word "Eish!!!" |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
MessageIf you don't know what "Eish" (as in screech) means (SA word)...
And you don't have a South African near to ask...
Well, this picture kind of explains it.
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| Subject: | Fw: The origin of the word "Eish!!!" |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
MessageSorry, folks, I forgot that matronics strips pictures off the email messages.
You can view the picture here:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Eish!!!.jpg
thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
Subject: The origin of the word "Eish!!!"
If you don't know what "Eish" (as in screech) means (SA word)...
And you don't have a South African near to ask...
Well, this picture kind of explains it.
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
On Oct 6, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Richard Riley wrote:
> (snip)
>
>> Innodyn is a rebirth of another company that was developing the
>> same engine
>> and went financially TU taking a lot of investor(deposit) money
>> with them.
>>
>
> Run by the same people as before. About a year ago they promised
> refunds to several Velocity owners, and AFAIK never came through.
>
>
>> They have been in development and "almost ready" for production
>> for a LOT
>> of years.
(more snip)
>
> Agreed
>
>
Go ahead, laugh now, but we'll see who's laughing in a couple of
years when I go whizzing past you guys at 350 KIAS in my Innodyn-
powered Moller SkyCar....
:-P
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Robert Sather" <sather@charter.net>
Hurry, At my age I don't even stand in the long line at the grocery store.
bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Freeman" <flyeyes@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Innodyn
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Richard Riley wrote:
>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> Innodyn is a rebirth of another company that was developing the
>>> same engine
>>> and went financially TU taking a lot of investor(deposit) money
>>> with them.
>>>
>>
>> Run by the same people as before. About a year ago they promised
>> refunds to several Velocity owners, and AFAIK never came through.
>>
>>
>>> They have been in development and "almost ready" for production
>>> for a LOT
>>> of years.
>
> (more snip)
>>
>> Agreed
>>
>>
>
> Go ahead, laugh now, but we'll see who's laughing in a couple of
> years when I go whizzing past you guys at 350 KIAS in my Innodyn-
> powered Moller SkyCar....
>
> :-P
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
At 08:35 AM 10/6/05, you wrote:
>--> Rocket-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
>
>Run by the same people as before. About a year ago they promised
>refunds to several Velocity owners, and AFAIK never came through.
I've inquired with the people that had deposits. Innodyn did make
good on them.
It doesn't change my mind about the fuel consumption, performance or
lifespan of the engine.
--
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: The origin of the word "Eish!!!" |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
Also this http://www.micom.net/oops/African%20preflight.jpg
and this http://www.micom.net/oops/oops9.jpg
and this http://www.micom.net/oops/short-landing.jpg ?
At 05:05 PM 10/6/05, you wrote:
>--> Rocket-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
>MessageSorry, folks, I forgot that matronics strips pictures off the
>email messages. You can view the picture here:
>
>http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Eish!!!.jpg
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| Subject: | Looking for prop |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "blairclan" <blairclan@bigpond.com>
I do. Saber make all sorts of extensions.
Cheers
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Shannon
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Looking for prop
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
Thanks for the info Jim, the 2-blade on your website is a C hub, which I
thought was too short for a Rocket, are some Rocket guys using a
standard length hub with an extension?
Kevin Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LesDrag@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Looking for prop
--> Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag@aol.com
Hi Kevin,
There is a Hartzell 2 blade on my website _www.lessdrag.com_
(http://www.lessdrag.com) on the Propeller "New & Used" page. It's
off of a Pitts S-2-B, so
the spinner may be different.
There is also a 3 blade Hartzell and a 3 blade counterweighted blade MT
propeller on that page, also.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 10/05/2005 3:38:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kshannon@seanet.com writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon"
<kshannon@seanet.com>
Hello Rocket group
I am in need of a prop for my HRII project, anybody switch to a three
blade and have a 2 blade Hartzell laying around they don't need?
Kevin Shannon
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--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
You are not dealing with reality.... Innodyn is a fraud and just thinking
you could go that fast in a Moller, you crack me up....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Freeman" <flyeyes@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Innodyn
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Richard Riley wrote:
>
> > (snip)
> >
> >> Innodyn is a rebirth of another company that was developing the
> >> same engine
> >> and went financially TU taking a lot of investor(deposit) money
> >> with them.
> >>
> >
> > Run by the same people as before. About a year ago they promised
> > refunds to several Velocity owners, and AFAIK never came through.
> >
> >
> >> They have been in development and "almost ready" for production
> >> for a LOT
> >> of years.
>
> (more snip)
> >
> > Agreed
> >
> >
>
> Go ahead, laugh now, but we'll see who's laughing in a couple of
> years when I go whizzing past you guys at 350 KIAS in my Innodyn-
> powered Moller SkyCar....
>
> :-P
>
>
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